you ain't lying.
Marvel's bench held it down for awhile, but it's time for the starters
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En Sabah Nur
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Be real bruh, the first Iron Man was the only good story out of his three movies. And the villain in that one is at the bottom of the MCU. But RDJ was so amazing in the role throughout that he made Iron Man Superman and Batman level popular.
There's no one in the current lineup that has his swag to overcome so-so writing
Thats fine but spiderman and batman outsell everything (but the ensemble avengers movies), everytime, because they’re the biggest heroes
AquaCityBoy
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I mean, the cracks in the MCU have been prevalent since at least Phase Two.
Phase Two is fukking
except for Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
Phase Two is fukking
except for Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
AnonymityX1000
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Notice you used Suicide Squad and not The Suicide Squad. Which was more successful to you? One made the director the head of a prestigious comic book studio. The other director has not had a movie in theaters since despite their respective box office numbers.YOU brought up that brick shang chi, not me. It has no purpose in a conversation with superman or batman. SUICIDE SQUAD almost doubled that movie’s box office
Shang Chi came out during the pandemic and was not released in the market it was mainly made for in the first place. Maybe give that some consideration?
Superman and Batman haven't had a billion dollar movie in over a decade but Captain Marvel did it her first try.
Maybe popularity of character had little to do with box office success of comic book movies.
AnonymityX1000
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And multiple movies based on those characters have come out and weren't that successful for the most part.
cant they just give downey jr 70 mill and give me another iron man 
AnonymityX1000
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Batman does not outsell Ironman, Captain America, Black Panther or Captain Marvel. I know you are stickler for accuracy. lol
You're making it strictly about sells and I'm telling you that's not the hill you wanna die on
When you make these arguments strictly about numbers you end up with the mess we have now. This is why nikkas allowed mid in the first place. Any criticism would be shut down by "Ok but it made a billion dollars tho
" Word of mouth will always be king. Word of mouth is the reason why the MCU numbers have dropped. Word of mouth is how Guardians became a huge property.
You can't just rely on Spiderman and Batman. Good storytelling should always be the priority. When your shyt is really good and the people fukk with it the numbers will follow
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I mean, the cracks in the MCU have been prevalent since at least Phase Two.
Phase Two is fukking
Still the best MCU movie IMO.
You’re using two outliers: gotg, which was very different, great, and had strong word of mouth, and captain marvel which starred brie larson, and was at the peak of marvel’s boxoffice powers.
Shang chi BRICKED
Eternals BRICKED
Black widow BRICKED
The popularity does matter especially when theyre not positioned in other movies first.
En Sabah Nur
The First
Which is why I like the fact they are not rushing with them just to have them out there. Time to develop should give them time to put stuff out to have the A team back in the throne where they belong.
If you pivot from box office success, and talk word of mouth tell me about the reception of:You're making it strictly about sells and I'm telling you that's not the hill you wanna die on
When you make these arguments strictly about numbers you end up with the mess we have now. This is why nikkas allowed mid in the first place. Any criticism would be shut down by "Ok but it made a billion dollars tho
Word of mouth will always be king. Word of mouth is the reason why the MCU numbers have dropped. Word of mouth is how Guardians became a huge property.
You can't just rely on Spiderman and Batman. Good storytelling should always be the priority
Hawkeye
Moon knight
Eternals
Shang chi
Falcon
Black widow
Were these was well received as the batman, joker, any spiderman,or Loki? Loki was very popular…
I want big time stories and the B grade characters in the last phase do not have them.
only reason they aren't rushing them is they don't want to pay the actors/actresses who are grandfathered in contract wise. That's why we got
in multiverse of madness and even hugh for DP3. 2025 is when they are free of those deals. We'll probably see some mutant easter eggs in Deadpool 3.
AnonymityX1000
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Uh I never mentioned GotG. lol Accuracy.
And every movie you mentioned that BRICKED came out during the pandemic and didn't get released in China and still were top 12 movies box office. If they BRICKED so did Dune, Free Guy and Encanto which were all considered successful movies at the time.