Marvel has yet to make a formidable villian

[TKOK]

How was The Winter Soldier not formidable? He gave every main character that work(critically wounded 3) over the course of the film and was imposing throughout. He even outshined Captain America, who looked 10x better than how he was done in the first film and The Avengers.

I also don't see how Hydra( who really was the main villain) was not formidable, i mean sure the helicarrier thing was stopped, but they crippled shield.

 

[Bobhoward]

Not to post-jack, but what are your characteristics of a great movie villain, specifically for comic book films?

What comic book movies from the past 20 years have had great villains? Because outside of The Joker I'm not seeing this trend of great villains that Marvel alone fails to live up to.

Fred.

Not a comic book movie, but Koba from Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Actual character development to provide background as to why the character acts the way he does.

All of Nolan's Batman villains at least were fleshed out with exposition and flashbacks.


Marvel lets us know certain characters are villains by having them wear dark clothing, hang in dark lairs, and speak dialogue that sounds like it was written by some high school kid who got stoned and tried to imitate Shakespeare.



Its not really that a bunch of other films get villains right because they don't. Most of these movies with your standard hero-villain plot are just products. They film is only designed to generate revenue, not tell a compelling story or to be interesting in any other artistic way

These films never have any stakes and the entire film is set up solely to feature "fun" action set pieces and fan service. The "villain" aspect of these movies is just one interchangeable part of the same formula used over and over.

 

[CarltonJunior]

How was The Winter Soldier not formidable? He gave every main character that work(critically wounded 3) over the course of the film and was imposing throughout. He even outshined Captain America, who looked 10x better than how he was done in the first film and The Avengers.

I guess people weren't feelin the terminator vibe. He definitely wrecked shyt every time he appeared in the movie, but let's face it, Black Widow shined so bright in that movie, no one else really paid attention to anyone else at the end of the day

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

To be fair it's not really Marvels fault. Some of the best villains in the history of comic books at least when I was growing up were X-Men villains. Mister Sinister,Apoc,Magneto,Sabertooth these are goat level antagonist that Marvel can't get their hands on.

 

[GunRanger]

How was The Winter Soldier not formidable? He gave every main character that work(critically wounded 3) over the course of the film and was imposing throughout. He even outshined Captain America, who looked 10x better than how he was done in the first film and The Avengers.

Because he was a goon, and not the villain. shyt,the movie is named after him and he's barely in it, and the fukking movie doesnt even complete his arc. It ends on a cliffhanger.


I'm sick of Marvel with their half assed movies. I want standalone films

 

[Panther]

Yea besides winter soldier most MCU villains have been pretty weak. All of the iron man villains were wack, red skull was lack luster, the dark elf from Thor and Ronan didn't do damage like he could have

They better let ultron and thanos cut some real #s or I'm gonna be disappointed

 

[wire28]

fukk Marvel

Yup. The development of Ock is one reason I still consider S2 to be the GOAT superhero film.

Bu bu but they didn't stay true to the character of Spider-Man and Toby is ass

 

[Supercoolmayo]

Seeing as how the movie stars the hero. I don't see why the villians should be blamed for not being as strong as the hero

 

[Lakers Offseason]

There's only been two great comic book villains:

1. Ledger's Joker
2. Fassbender's Magneto

That's it.

Complaining about this is retarded. It's like complaining that the Jordan Bulls didn't have great Finals opponent and holding that against them

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

Disney stans get hit with the truth and immediately become furious and


These dudes wish they were caps shield

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

That's exactly my point.

The MCU has 10 movies, all interlocked in varying ways, that tell one long story, about the Infinity Stones. The culmination of which should be "The Avengers 3", in 2019.

The president of DC would give his left nut to have that level of foresight 5-6 years ago, which is why they're scrambling to make a "Justice League" movie.

DC has nothing going on besides Batman and Superman. Marvel is so far ahead of the game they're breaking records with D tier comic characters like "Guardians Of The Galaxy".

That's what I mean by winning.

And this ain't even about Marvel vs DC. It's about the internet being overly critical of anything that's successful. Nobody was talking about "Marvel has weak villains" prior to "Guardians Of The Galaxy" blowing the fukk up.

Fred.

So we're just going to pretend marvel stans arent obnoxiously entering every non mcu. Comic film thread to hate on the smallest details they can find.


I guess those films must be successful as fukk


Disney stans been doing that since mcu started and the backlash has started and now you guys wanna hide your hands and cry about it

 

[ShaSolair]

LMFAOoo! I thought I was the ONLY one that noticed Bruh!! But you have to differentiate when you are speaking on live-action film. "MARVEL" as a company has had pretty good villain portrayals with deep story arcs like Magneto, Namek from Blade 2 & I'd even throw Doc Ock in there from Tobey-Spidey 2; but see the "MCU, Disney-Marvel" is what you're referring to which ... is a THOUSAND percent true in my opinion.

Sadly, we've reached an awkward space in time with this topic though because now that the House Of Mouse has planted their flag into the farthest regions of the superhero genre for mainstream "Don't know where in all of the f##k these characters come from but it's popular so I'll like it" movie-goers who unfortunately make up the majority. They'll debate with you till you're blue in the face then wanna throw thee hands if you don't agree that anything Feige wipes his D##k across is "QUALITY".



... But back to your point, They got all these damn caped crusading white saviors & not one villain who can square up, be a threat & isn't easily defeated. Every movie I'm like , that's it?

 

[AllHolosEve]

There's only been two great comic book villains:

1. Ledger's Joker
2. Fassbender's Magneto

That's it.

soooooo what?? youre not coutin Loki??? hes up there..

low key i liked Abomination too....

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Not to post-jack, but what are your characteristics of a great movie villain, specifically for comic book films?

1. How great of a screen presence did they have?
2. How great of a threat did they pose to our hero?
3. How logical was their motivation?

In that order.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

soooooo what?? youre not coutin Loki??? hes up there..

low key i liked Abomination too....

Did you not read the rest of my post?