Marvel has yet to make a formidable villian

[hex]

So you're saying the blind façade of No Limit didn't have 4 mic albums in its prime?? I certainly recall it DID. But that negated, Marvel pushes out a gain of films between 2008 to now. Ten to be exact which is impressive. Even James Bond films have a breaks of a few years in between. Marvel dropped 10 in 6 years. how could it NOT be compared to No Limit in it's way of dropping movie after movie in a rapid rate, knowing that people would flock to go see it just because of the brand name? And that's not even hating.

But what people need to realize, LIKE those old No Limit albums which TODAY, people view a lot of them as mediocre, most of those Marvel films were average to mediocre to outright trash. Truthfully, outside of the first Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Avengers, and Gaurdians... the REST of those were average to outright BAD and nothing more than filler. And you know that's a truth I am saying. And none of them really had a great adversary, the closest was Loki, and it took to that Thor 2 bullshyt movie for him to truly shine. Even HE in Avengers and the 1st Thor was soft and kept being punked. Even Coulson sonned him.

As for DC, it is IMPOSSIBLE to even cast judgment for something they technically yet haven't started. When THEY are in their 10th film then you can have this discussion about how good or bad their rogue gallery have been. It is funny they're even in the conversation when this is about MARVEL STUDIOS. But it is "Marvel stans" that want to throw that DC sh*t in the conversation because they struggle to counterpoint on their own about Marvel's inability. THAT'S why we call you stans. If you wasn't then instead of being defensive about it, why not have a rational argument countering the general consensus. There was only ONE poster from what I saw that actually have done that, everybody else are "straw-manning" it like a muthafuccka!

No Limit did not consistently get critical acclaim, fukk no. They dropped so many albums half of them didn't even get reviewed in The Source.

To make matters worse several Southern posters have spoken out on No Limit falsifying their record sales via a bar code scam. So your rap analogy fails, basically from every angle.

The problem with your logic is you're saying everyone should judge these movies based on your personal criteria. Which is, the bad guys aren't that great. And anyone that disagrees is either a Marvel stan, or sheep mindlessly flocking to see them "because of the brand name".

Which is because the entire MCU is based on B tier (at best) characters. Virtually nobody knew who "GOTG" was a year ago, and now it's breaking records. So maybe people are going to see them, and rating them so high, because they have a different opinion than you. Crazy thought, I know.

Here's the thing:

A couple of you cats pop up in every Marvel thread....you'll have literally 100 people disagree with you....not even the same people, a constant influx of people saying "the fukk is wrong with these guys?", like the "GOTG" thread....and instead of looking at the info presented, and saying "damn, ok, maybe I'm not on point with what I'm saying"....you'll claim EVERYBODY in the fukking world is a Marvel stan.

Like this thread for example. The dude you quoted has 5 posts in here. You have 26 posts. This is a direct quote from you:

Truthfully, outside of the first Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Avengers, and Gaurdians... the REST of those were average to outright BAD and nothing more than filler. And you know that's a truth I am saying

So your opinion is the truth?

Given the facts presented, which is more likely? That's he's a Marvel stan, of that you have some kind of weird vendetta against Marvel? The same goes for the "GOTG" thread. The guys claiming everyone is Marvel stans have more posts than the people that actually liked the movie. These same people been one starring every Marvel thread, for no apparent reason other than trolling....I don't see you up in arms about that, but God forbid anyone makes a DC and Marvel comparison.

Fred.

 

[gluvnast]

No Limit did not consistently get critical acclaim, fukk no. They dropped so many albums half of them didn't even get reviewed in The Source.

To make matters worse several Southern posters have spoken out on No Limit falsifying their record sales via a bar code scam. So your rap analogy fails, basically from every angle.

The problem with your logic is you're saying everyone should judge these movies based on your personal criteria. Which is, the bad guys aren't that great. And anyone that disagrees is either a Marvel stan, or sheep mindlessly flocking to see them "because of the brand name".

Which is because the entire MCU is based on B tier (at best) characters. Virtually nobody knew who "GOTG" was a year ago, and now it's breaking records. So maybe people are going to see them, and rating them so high, because they have a different opinion than you. Crazy thought, I know.

Here's the thing:

A couple of you cats pop up in every Marvel thread....you'll have literally 100 people disagree with you....not even the same people, a constant influx of people saying "the fukk is wrong with these guys?", like the "GOTG" thread....and instead of looking at the info presented, and saying "damn, ok, maybe I'm not on point with what I'm saying"....you'll claim EVERYBODY in the fukking world is a Marvel stan.

Like this thread for example. The dude you quoted has 5 posts in here. You have 26 posts. This is a direct quote from you:


So your opinion is the truth?

Given the facts presented, which is more likely? That's he's a Marvel stan, of that you have some kind of weird vendetta against Marvel? The same goes for the "GOTG" thread. The guys claiming everyone is Marvel stans have more posts than the people that actually liked the movie. These same people been one starring every Marvel thread, for no apparent reason other than trolling....I don't see you up in arms about that, but God forbid anyone makes a DC and Marvel comparison.

Fred.

Dude, I'm not going to sit here talking about No Limit reviews which is COMPLETELY off-subject. But they have had reviewed critically acclaimed albums and leave it at that. The point wasn't EVEN about how well received those albums were but how Master P kept pushing another after another, most of them being filler, to which you YOURSELF basically concede to. That's how Marvel Studios been doing their FILMS. Don't be butt-hurt about it. And you KNOW the majority of those movies were average at best with a couple of them just straight trash. But, proving you are a STAN, you are INCAPABLE to even be fair and critical on this fact. This is why you ALL having a hard time even taking to consideration that just MAYBE Marvel have a consistent inability to translate their rogue gallery from comics to film.

Now if you personally feel the villains or main antagonists are legendary in those films. So be it. That's your opinion that you are entitled to. But you and stans like you are in the extreme minority when it comes to that. And I will continue to call you a stan UNTIL you show actual ability to critique something Marvel over anything they should be improving on... which is basically what this thread is about anywhere. It's just y'all get in a tizzy when someone say ANYTHING of criticism of Disney/Marvel.

 

[BillBanneker]

Again, Trask is merely a MacGruffin. A plot device to give purpose to the plot in general. He served no purpose except for give reason as to why Sentinels exist, and nothing more. The protagonists mission was to keep him alive. The antagonist position was to prevent or disrupt the mission. Magneto was the antagonist. He was the villain that was in the way.

In short. YES.

By this definition, the Sentinels, or what makes the most sense Mystique , would qualify the "MacGuffin", not Trask at all; since not only is she the "key" for preventing the future timeline (her abilities are what Trask needs), and both Professor X and Magneto have personal reasons as far as finding her aside from the mission.


Is Magneto the primary antagonist in X Men: First Class then?

 

[gluvnast]

By this definition, the Sentinels, or what makes the most sense Mystique , would qualify the "MacGuffin", not Trask at all; since not only is she the "key" for preventing the future timeline (her abilities are what Trask needs), and both Professor X and Magneto have personal reasons as far as finding her aside from the mission.


Is Magneto the primary antagonist in X Men: First Class then?

The PLOT was for Trask not to get killed. Everything else is reactionary to what happens to Trask, hence he is THE PLOT DEVICE.

And no, Sebastian Shaw was the primary antagonist in First Class. The plot of that film was to prevent WWIII to begin, Shaw was the main antagonist in trying to set it off.

In DoFP, the Sentinels of the future cannot be stopped, the reason why it evolved to that level was all due to Trask's ASSASSINATION. How can he be "the villain" when everything that caused it was due to him being killed? Because he was the inspiration? Trask has little to do with what happened in DoFP. He was ONLY a plot device to set things into motion.

 

[Juven]

Wtf? First class, DOFP, X2. >>>>>>>>99% of the fluff mcu has put out. Fukk outta here with tjis shyt. And i support both sides.

Days of future trash was garbage. They didn't even show the future they were running away from. No cyclops, whack sentinels, fox needs to give up those right

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

No Limit did not consistently get critical acclaim, fukk no. They dropped so many albums half of them didn't even get reviewed in The Source.

To make matters worse several Southern posters have spoken out on No Limit falsifying their record sales via a bar code scam. So your rap analogy fails, basically from every angle.

The problem with your logic is you're saying everyone should judge these movies based on your personal criteria. Which is, the bad guys aren't that great. And anyone that disagrees is either a Marvel stan, or sheep mindlessly flocking to see them "because of the brand name".

Which is because the entire MCU is based on B tier (at best) characters. Virtually nobody knew who "GOTG" was a year ago, and now it's breaking records. So maybe people are going to see them, and rating them so high, because they have a different opinion than you. Crazy thought, I know.

Here's the thing:

A couple of you cats pop up in every Marvel thread....you'll have literally 100 people disagree with you....not even the same people, a constant influx of people saying "the fukk is wrong with these guys?", like the "GOTG" thread....and instead of looking at the info presented, and saying "damn, ok, maybe I'm not on point with what I'm saying"....you'll claim EVERYBODY in the fukking world is a Marvel stan.

Like this thread for example. The dude you quoted has 5 posts in here. You have 26 posts. This is a direct quote from you:


So your opinion is the truth?

Given the facts presented, which is more likely? That's he's a Marvel stan, of that you have some kind of weird vendetta against Marvel? The same goes for the "GOTG" thread. The guys claiming everyone is Marvel stans have more posts than the people that actually liked the movie. These same people been one starring every Marvel thread, for no apparent reason other than trolling....I don't see you up in arms about that, but God forbid anyone makes a DC and Marvel comparison.

Fred.

You keep tossing out critical acclaim like its some fact.




Im looking on metacritic and seeing almost all the movies rated in the 50's and 60's.


Thats not "critically acclaimed."



You one starred this thread before making a single post because your panties are in a bunch. As if people all over the place havent been saying the same thing about the villains.



Your caping so hard for marvel you put superman to shame.





Funny how you dont type one word about the marvel stans entering every non mcu film to hate and crying that marvel that doesnt have the rights. Dont even try to deny it. The marvel stans have become obnoxious as fukk the last two years and only just recently have people become fed up with their bullshyt.



But when mcu is being attacked youre in full flight. Why are You so quiet on one subject and not on the other.





And the no limit analogy works perfectly. You think people go see gotg if it was a stand alone movie and not part of the mcu? Same way c murder aint going plat without a no limit chain.

 

[ChrisDorner]

Breh, DC's villains arent that great and the only reason why they've shined is because they were bland as fukk compared to the hero's. Zod was dope because the guy playing superman was as vanilla as what I'm typing on. Zod got minimum screen time yet I'm still pissed he was killed. I wanted him to win. The Joker outshine batman because batman was boring for most of the movie simping over a downgraded struggle Rachael. Bane was overrated but compared to a batman, he appears bigger than life. And catwoman wasn't catwoman. That was Anne Hathaway in a burglar outfit and a black masquerade mask. Those heros were weak so all they could do is prop up the villians.

What the fukk are u talkin about nikka

 

[wire28]

Given the facts presented, which is more likely? That's he's a Marvel stan, of that you have some kind of weird vendetta against Marvel? The same goes for the "GOTG" thread. The guys claiming everyone is Marvel stans have more posts than the people that actually liked the movie. These same people been one starring every Marvel thread, for no apparent reason other than trolling....I don't see you up in arms about that, but God forbid anyone makes a DC and Marvel comparison.

Fred.

I hate it had to be @gluvnast

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

It doesn't really matter if Dinklage or Fassbender were the main villains because both of them are elite fukking actors. That's what changes the game. When your villains aren't just trill but can actually put a stamp on a character.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Don't listen to these dudes when they talk about shyt being "critically acclaimed" .. The Dark Knight Rises is sitting at 88% on RT but these dudes will swear to you that it sucks. You're caught, brehs. I caught you and it didn't take much effort... Y'all slipped up

 

[Kartel13]

Days of future trash was garbage. They didn't even show the future they were running away from. No cyclops, whack sentinels, fox needs to give up those right

 

[Supercoolmayo]

Don't listen to these dudes when they talk about shyt being "critically acclaimed" .. The Dark Knight Rises is sitting at 88% on RT but these dudes will swear to you that it sucks. You're caught, brehs. I caught you and it didn't take much effort... Y'all slipped up

Only problem I had with that movie was Talia, if they take her out of it. It's the perfect movie.

 

[hex]

But it is "Marvel stans" that want to throw that DC sh*t in the conversation

Don't listen to these dudes when they talk about shyt being "critically acclaimed" .. The Dark Knight Rises is sitting at 88% on RT but these dudes will swear to you that it sucks. You're caught, brehs. I caught you and it didn't take much effort... Y'all slipped up

Oh, it's the "Marvel stans" always randomly bringing up DC, huh?

Fred.

 

[ECA]

Only problem I had with that movie was Talia, if they take her out of it. It's the perfect movie.

Nah, the perfect movie would've been them abandoning Bane's backstory altogether. That old man spent damn near a whole hour telling Bruce that momentum killing story about Bane and Talia's past.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Oh, it's the "Marvel stans" always randomly bringing up DC, huh?

Fred.

I didn't "randomly" bring up shyt. You are one of the ones that was discussing TDKR.