Man of Steel is the most underrated superhero movie of all time.

[Trapperman Dave]

At least he didn't destroy an entire urban area and let his Dad die. lol

Cap destroyed a good bit of D.C and a whole city.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Cap destroyed a good bit of D.C and a whole city.

Like Superman, so stuff like that doesn't disqualify you from being a role model, right?

 

[Emoryal]

Name me the villains in the MCU better than Zod and the Kryptonians?
MCU light-hearted tone absolutely works against them in the portrayal of their villains. Wack power levels work against them too. You never feel the stakes are that high compared to MoS.

Zod from the beginning is touted as the antagonist, his conflict with Kal-El from the start of the movie is established as personal because of his prior beef with Jor-El. It goes beyond the physical into the philosophical because Kal is a natural birth in a society that genetically engineers it's people, he is an abomination, antithesis to his memory of Krypton. It was a personal conflict that evolved organically in a relatively short span of time and wasn't shoehorned in like the fukking Mandarin. MCU is much more cookie-cutter villian. Zod is more nuanced than most of them. In his own way he is simply trying to revive his people. At the start of the film he is justified in his criticism of Krypton, you can feel a tinge of empathy for his situation.
This monologue alone >>>> anything the MCU has done besides maybe Thanos' threat to Ronan. (Micheal Shannon's acting in this movie was A1 but this scene especially).

This is a villian. This is how you introduce a villian.


This is how you establish the threat of consequences.

Faora on her own as a secondary villain is more terrifying than anything than anything the MCU has done (again, aside for maybe Thanos and Ronan), she went around slaughtering people and kicking Superman's ass. Look at her introduction to Kal:

He doesn't register as a threat at all. You don't have to monologue to establish a threat or a villain. A short, courteous sentence like this will do in some cases.

Ignore the fact that this scene is more epic and awe inspiring than anything the DCEU and MCU have done since (aside from Flight and the final fight). Focus on the interaction between Perry, Jenny and Lombard. This how you establish fear. Lombard's reluctance to help in face of the chaos is a small moment but beautifully done. The villians are sowing chaos, yes, but inspiring heroism in the common person as well.


To show fear and chaos of the common person in the face of disaster doesn't always have to be buildings crashing and thousands of unnamed people dying (though to be fair this film does that in spades) it can be singular moments like this, detached from the hero's predicament but a part of it at the same time.
Note, how eerily reminiscent the scene is of a woman giving birth.

Kal is outnumbered in this film by enemies who are just as strong as he is, are better fighters than he is and are smarter than he is. They are not punching bags like the Chitauri were or Ultrons robots. Faora is ruthless in her slaughter. The World Engine is terraforming the entire planet. The stakes are high. Midway through the movie you knew that humanity was done if Zod won, at the end of the movie you knew that if Zod won humanity was done.


The only time the MCU has even come close to this is maybe Thanos. Otherwise, no. You don't feel the stakes are particularity high.

Thanos (along with the Silver Surfer) is my favorite fictional character, I am going to wait and see if they can do this with Infinity War. MCU films are lots of fun. But it's villains are crap. Plots are shallow and any sense of background nuance is vacant.
Like I said MoS has better villains and done a better job at establishing a threat than anything MCU and DCEU have done since. Never mind other aspects of the film (fights, symbolism, music score, etc).

Stopped reading when you went into a psuedo intellectual tangent, so the first sentence. Zod was an average villain at best . Ronan with more screen time basically.

 

[Trapperman Dave]

Like Superman, so stuff like that doesn't disqualify you from being a role model, right?

You brought up city destruction first . I never said if it did or didn’t.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

You brought up city destruction first . I never said if it did or didn’t.

See how I framed it as a question? Feel free to answer whenever. lol

 

[Monoblock]

At least he didn't destroy an entire urban area and let his Dad die. lol

Yea he just destroyed 3 cities in 3 countries with his gang/click fighting robots and aliens murdering along the way and turned into a war criminal.

 

[Yaboysix]

Greatest Superhero/CBM movie of all time. Beyond that it's my favourite film of all time.
Man of steel made Superman one of my favourite heroes, where as before I hated him.

Plot- Wasn't amazing or magneficent, it was above average relative to its peers though. Notably because it had less Amy Adams. Also didn't set anything up. Seemed more like a one-shot, the movie was contained in and of itself, maybe that worked? It did not feel rushed at all, in fact the movie felt quite slow before the Smallville fight where it turned the dial up to 11. Zod and the Kryptonians as Villains is far better than anything the MCU and DCEU have done since. Combined with the score and visuals, you KNEW if Kal lost then humanity was done.

Visuals and effects- Masterpiece. Just beautifully done, you could feel the power Superman had, The new take on Krypton was out of this word good. I enjoyed the darker filter in some parts especially in Metropolis or when Superman was in Space.

Score- Magestirial, Hans Zimmer killed it. Only Movie OST I've ever downloaded on my phone. "Flight" gives me hope and makes me want to fly and cry at the same time. "Terraforming", "Kryptons Last", "Escaping the Ship" were also magnificent.

Fights- Undisputed GOAT action scenes. Kryptonians as demi-God's was brought into visual and auditory form with great effect. Supersonic punches, destruction on a massive scale. This is what would happen were physics-defying superpowers a real thing.

People criticize Superman but don't realize Zack did a realistic take on the character and I love him for that. Of course he is going to be shy and withdrawn at first, he is a freak, an outsider. Also Faora was his first fight ever, who else was he supposed to fight before that? They would be a red smear.


My fukking God.

SMH nikka!! I almost shed a tear! Lol

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Yea he just destroyed 3 cities in 3 countries with his gang/click fighting robots and aliens murdering along the way and turned into a war criminal.

The war criminal part is leadership. The government is wrong. Or do you disagree?
And yes, they both destroyed urban areas. Is it a disqualifier or nah?!

 

[Monoblock]

The war criminal part is leadership. The government is wrong. Or do you disagree?
And yes, they both destroyed urban areas. Is it a disqualifier or nah?!

Nah they can always rebuild. I love Criminal Cap and Supes in Man of Steel.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Nah they can always rebuild. I love Criminal Cap and Supes in Man of Steel.

All right then. Supes has been in 2 movies of middling success and 1 failure. Cap has been in more movies and most recently billion dollar movies. One person is filling the role people say we need successfully filled.

 

[Monoblock]

All right then. Supes has been in 2 movies of middling success and 1 failure. Cap has been in more movies and most recently billion dollar movies. One person is filling the role people say we need successfully filled.

Ehh don't care about the money I think Cavill is a dope Supes I just think Warner bungled the whole thing.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Ehh don't care about the money I think Cavill is a dope Supes I just think Warner bungled the whole thing.

They definitely did bungle it. But I don't think a MoS sequel is the cure right now. They are doing the right thing developing other heroes in their catalogue.

 

[QuintessentialMan]

When I think Supeman I see Cavill now. He's taken over the mantle from Reeves which is a great success in itself. They'll never be able to take that away. MoS grows on me with every watch. I like it, especially the action scenes. Oh what could have been if THEY took their time/

 

[Trapperman Dave]

See how I framed it as a question? Feel free to answer whenever. lol

Superman isn’t from earth so it doesn’t matter if he is one or not, cap on the other hand is supposed to be an example of a good American . Besides whenever Superman fights it’s bound to be destruction just because. Cap should be able to keep it minimal

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Superman isn’t from earth so it doesn’t matter if he is one or not, cap on the other hand is supposed to be an example of a good American . Besides whenever Superman fights it’s bound to be destruction just because. Cap should be able to keep it minimal

He is an example of a good American.
So different rules for different heroes, gotcha.
Keep praying and hoping for that sequel. Infinity War will be in theaters 4/27. The legacy continues!