Malcolm X: How much do know about him?
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beenz
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I saw the movie when it first came out which made me wanna learn more, so I read the book, and it was 
I use to listen to his speeches all the time. You can listen to them online and download them.
http://brothermalcolm.net/mxwords/whathesaidarchive.html
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My views on MLK changes depending on the day that you catch me. Sometimes I think he is great and other times i think he was a puppet for the CAC establishment. I know he is an incredibly complex figure. However, I think both him and his movement was very misguided and he may have been a net negative to the progress of black people. I think he realized that I was trending toward some of MX's position but it was too late
Honestly though, MLK was very anti-establishment, mainly because he was strictly anti-capitalist and greed. Now to a black man, that might not be good enough that he didn't focus on black only issues, but to many people on the far left we see the world as class warfare first. We believe that all problems stem from this. So in my opinion, MLK was trying to get at the root of the problem. And the people in charge don't take very kindly to that. Once MLK started going from the Civil Rights stuff to being a militant anti-capitalist, that was the last straw. They didn't want to hear that.
Mind you that during the Civil Rights movement and Anti-War Vietnam days, there were pro-black Marxist groups and pro-Marxist white groups who worked in unison for a lot of counter-revolution ideas.
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One thing though, a lot of you guys kind of disregard post-NOI Malcolm. The man's words and feelings are his own and I think we have to respect that as well. The videos and writings are there, from the source. He ended up walking back on a lot of his stances, especially towards MLK.
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My views on MLK changes depending on the day that you catch me. Sometimes I think he is great and other times i think he was a puppet for the CAC establishment. I know he is an incredibly complex figure. However, I think both him and his movement was very misguided and he may have been a net negative to the progress of black people. I think he realized that I was trending toward some of MX's position but it was too late
I think King was radical yet pragmatic and it might've been James Cone who called him the center of the larger Civil Rights movement. Any time you have that and someone who is willing to compromise to an extent, he'll always carry that stigma. But then again, that capital he built up might've worked in his favor later on when it was time to kick it up for the Poor People's Campaign and his pro-labor and anti-war movements. Those criticisms are legit though and King may probably agree with that view on some level.
gangreen
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Malcolm was just part of the wrong organization during his formiddable years..... Nation of Islam was as corrupt as it could get.
A reason why he does not get the respect, he is due, is because of them.
Malcolm was a very special human being... Once in a lifetime.
A reason why he does not get the respect, he is due, is because of them.
Malcolm was a very special human being... Once in a lifetime.
I guess it feels better to pretend - that we would even know who Malcolm was , if he had never been demonic and went to prison to run into the NOI. It was a uphill battle for them to turn him into the man we know (as it is with many of the men the NOI enlighten and saved)
It's tough finding stuff on him from good sources. As far as I know the Marable book was the only academic work on Malcolm. There are some by a guy named Myers but I don't know his background (not to say non-academics can't write an accurate or good book but I always look at those kind of things).
I've read Malcolm X Speaks. It's a collection of his speeches, some of which aren't available on youtube or video. Good read, goes fast.
I'm torn on the Marable thing. I know a lot of people disagreed on how he was portrayed but no one can site evidence as to why. Marable was considered to be a pretty respected guy and died right around when the book came out so there wasn't a chance for him to defend his work. There is a published response book, looks like it's a collection of essays from writers. The only reason I might take a look at it is because the editors also released a response to a book about Nat Turner that was supposed to be pretty inaccurate.
The perception of Malcolm even in the black community should be re-examined. Towards the end of his life, his views dramatically started to change. The Manning Marble book is good, but people don't want to hear the truth so they say it's inaccurate. Malcolm basically worshiped Elijah and finally came around to it that he was being played. Instead of taking one little section of his life to define the man, look at the whole picture.
If you want to talk about the "HARDEST" person of that period, it probably was Adam Clayton Powell JR. He was outspoken and didn't give crap what others thought, but still was getting legislation passed. It's stated he passed the most legislation of any member in the history of congress.
Booker T Washington has a somewhat "soft" reputation. However, he was getting money from the richest people of his era to help him build schools and programs. That takes a skill that many will just call c00ning. He was still funding the equality movement under the table, but knew how to play the poker game to get what HE wanted accomplished. It's better to learn to play the game than to sit on the couch and complain.
If you want to talk about the "HARDEST" person of that period, it probably was Adam Clayton Powell JR. He was outspoken and didn't give crap what others thought, but still was getting legislation passed. It's stated he passed the most legislation of any member in the history of congress.
Booker T Washington has a somewhat "soft" reputation. However, he was getting money from the richest people of his era to help him build schools and programs. That takes a skill that many will just call c00ning. He was still funding the equality movement under the table, but knew how to play the poker game to get what HE wanted accomplished. It's better to learn to play the game than to sit on the couch and complain.
Slaimon Khan Shah
SLAIMON KHAN SHAH = SHAOLIN MONK/S OF ISLAAM
Praise be to God. I heard Malcolm X died as a Muslim.
I was just discussing this in another thread on him yesterday....I mentioned how i just got the book by him weeks ago(my own purchase) and i was amazed how it seems every couple of pages has words of wisdom...i have never seen so many classic soundbites by one man and you know how people always do those "___amount of people you would like to have a conversation with dead or alive? He would be at the top of the list...
You know something else I realized? Last year MLK's "I Have a dream speech" was getting all that press during the end of the summer 50 year anniversary.....yet.........
we know what famous speech by Malcolm had its own anniversary in November 2013..also of 50 year...
Majestic Pape
The-Coli = W SOHH = L
Why the fukk are you comparing them though? What's with this insistence of putting down one brother to big up another?
I learned about Malcolm in 7th grade when my class was assigned to read a biography of him. I think it wasn't until I was in my college years that I fully read his autobiography, then recently, I read Manning Marable's great book about Malcom's life, evolution and politics. What pisses me off about his assassination is that he never lived to see his vision lived out with the establishment of the black panther party in the late 60's. I often wonder if the black power movement would have been stronger if he was around. I predict that he would've made an alliance with the BPP and potentially be a greater social and political force within the black community.