Malcolm X called it - Don't be fooled by the liberal / conservative narrative.

[Rekkapryde]

Not sure how serious you are . You appear to have the newest coli-famous youtuber in avi, so I doubt that you're serious.

Youtube is dumbing down people, whether y'all see it or not. Keeps people entertained and misinformed.

For example, this excerpted speech. People who actually read the AutoBio or who have studied his life for more than 15 minutes can tell you roughly when this speech was given. They can also tell you that after his haaj, that he walked back some of his comments about the Civil Rights Movement, it's leaders, and engagement in politics.

At the end of his life, he was making attempts to dismantle American racism through the courts, and possibly the ballot. This was a departure from the NOI line he pushed, criticizing the political process from the sidelines.

you about to get negged for telling the truth

 

[philmonroe]

I keep saying BOTHSIDES in TLR and higher learning and they keep calling me an agent... it's fukking insane... Like These white democrats don't believe in the same thing these republicans do??? White Supremacy is Literally two sides of the same coin...

Yes this is the truth for everything. Whether its on here or anything else most things have two main sides. The two sides truly believe they are sooo different from the other. Truth is they're just who the other side would be in different situations way more often than not. I think some of the people on here if they were white (not the "agents") would post on them white weirdo sites. I agree with you on this one.

 

[get these nets]

His so-called transformation from hajj, too often, is overstated

Malcolm's words were documented in speeches/interviews after the split. People can form their own views, but on the subject the thread is based on....there was a transformation about political engagement.

This statement is not as different from what Elijah Muhammad taught as people have been conditioned to believe it is.

???
The NOI was apolitical under Muhammad, and members were discouraged from voting. Not sure if/when that position changed.

If you do, please let me know.

 

[CoryMack]

I always try to post Malcolm's full comments when his name comes up in one of these threads.
People can draw their own conclusions. I see the OAAU being proactive in educating and registering Black voters, so that they can make informed political decisions.

That's directly contrasted by what both sider proponents do today. More importantly, it contrasts the NOI line that he was pushing as national spokesman. That's clear to me, as I'm sure it is to others.

I didn’t quote the man outta context. One thing about Malcolm he was pretty consistent in his words, both when he was with the Nation and when he wasn’t. He made some minor changes in his worldview, which were dictated more by his differences with the NOI in my opinion, but it wasn’t the sweeping transformation many try to make it out to be. Like I said, and it’s documented, Malcolm was trying to reconcile with Elijah and go back to the Nation. When that didn’t happen he had no choice to but to go his own way.


I think the thing that trips me out about so many of you is that you or your folks came from countries with elections that didn’t do anything to help better the lives of the masses. Basically rigged sham elections. Does Haiti have elections? And if so have those elections bettered the lives of the masses of Haitians?

I know in countries in the Middle East and throughout Africa the US spends billions putting on sham elections so they can say they’re upholding democracy, but none of those elections have bettered the lives of the masses in those countries.

I believe many of your are really misguided about the reality of our situation here and why we’re able to enjoy some of the benefits of living in a first world nation. I promise you voting has little to nothing to do with it.

 

[Budda]

Anybody who thinks Malcolm would have support Biden is a complete fool.

 

[No Sleep]

I wish you nikkas would stop lying about how he completely changed his ideology after Mecca. All he said was that Islam had the potential to bring all races together and he didn't believe all white people were devils. He never rejected his past analysis of American society.

Even after he returned he talked about how white Muslims would go back to their countries and still practice white supremacy.

I've come to learn that when most people see Malcolm X in their minds they see Denzel Washington.

 

[get these nets]

I didn’t quote the man outta context. One thing about Malcolm he was pretty consistent in his words, both when he was with the Nation and when he wasn’t. He made some minor changes in his worldview, which were dictated more by his differences with the NOI in my opinion, but it wasn’t the sweeping transformation many try to make it out to be. Like I said, and it’s documented, Malcolm was trying to reconcile with Elijah and go back to the Nation. When that didn’t happen he had no choice to but to go his own way.

The Auto Bio, and historians of NOI history state that there was an attempt at reconciliation with the NOI. The alleged attempts on his life are what made the split permanent. And caused him to reevaluate and reassess his life and beliefs.

I think the thing that trips me out about so many of you is that you or your folks came from countries with elections that didn’t do anything to help better the lives of the masses. Basically rigged sham elections. Does Haiti have elections? And if so have those elections bettered the lives of the masses of Haitians?

I know in countries in the Middle East and throughout Africa the US spends billions putting on sham elections so they can say they’re upholding democracy, but none of those elections have bettered the lives of the masses in those countries.

I believe many of your are really misguided about the reality of our situation here and why we’re able to enjoy some of the benefits of living in a first world nation. I promise you voting has little to nothing to do with it.

I've always been candid about the current political situation in Haiti, and how it's consistent with the history of the country. Coup d'etat are a regular occurrence since Haiti was established in 1804. Democracy has NOT taken root there.
Voting in a developing country with that history is different than voting in a stable country where representative democracy has been the norm since at least the Voting Rights Act.




Trump's actions, in fact were peeped by those of us from developing countries because we've seen the playbook before. Only the history of stability here prevented Trump's coup attempt. He really tried to take it there.
"Bothsides" made no sense in election 2020 with a man who telegraphed his moves for the past 10 months.

If you don't think voting matters or has a negligible effect, what do you think a second Trump term would have looked like? He went full dictator mode when he lost. What checks and balances would there be on his actions if he won?

 

[Sankofa Alwayz]

If Malcom X was a coli user he would be in the red

Dr. King’s agent ass would’ve been in the DEEP green digits

 

[motion order]

The NOI was apolitical under Muhammad

Making economics a priority over politics is not being apolitical.

members were discouraged from voting

Message to the Blackman in America, Elijah Muhammad's most foundational book, says different. What I previously posted with respect to that Malcolm statement is discussed in the book.

I notice you post articles and links in these Nation of Islam/Malcolm X threads a lot, but you never post any articles or links directly from the Nation of Islam; so of course you follow the more mainstream, pro-Malcolm, narrative.

What's your take on what The FOI did on behalf Kenneth Gibson, Newark's first Black mayor?
Yes, I'm being slightly facetious in asking this question. This would require some non-mainstream information of the Nation of Islam.

 

[get these nets]

Making economics a priority over politics is not being apolitical.

Message to the Blackman in America, Elijah Muhammad's most foundational book, says different. What I previously posted with respect to that Malcolm statement is discussed in the book.

I notice you post articles and links in these Nation of Islam/Malcolm X threads a lot, but you never post any articles or links directly from the Nation of Islam; so of course you follow the more mainstream, pro-Malcolm, narrative.

What's your take on what The FOI did on behalf Kenneth Gibson, Newark's first Black mayor?
Yes, I'm being slightly facetious in asking this question. This would require some non-mainstream information of the Nation of Islam.

Tell me how the NOI was not apolitical in practice, when Malcolm was a member. Any old NOi (physical)books I've read were ones that I borrowed from friends. But since you stated that my take was wrong, please enlighten me.


About the sources I use, you're not being honest. If Malcolm X is being discussed, I try to post his words from speeches, interviews, or video.
If the thread is about the NOI, the leadership, of members, I try to post excerpts from THEIR publications.....or interviews/quotes with their members.

Here
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/so-...s-about-jews-exploiting-black-farmers.723562/


Here

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/36944450/
Here
https://www.thecoli.com/posts/35752556/

and here

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/33532931/


There are more also. You can walk back the comment or not. Truth defends itself.

The NOI has deep roots in Newark. You're bringing up an ugly era and people dying to make what point exactly? I know what the official reports were, but enlighten me about what the true story was as you see it.

 

[motion order]

If the thread is about the NOI,

If the thread is about the so-called differences between Malcolm and the Nation of Islam, you'll never post from the NOI's perspective

to make what point exactly?

That the Nation of Islam is not apolitical

 

[MischievousMonkey]

The arguments developed in the two video are actually radically different

The critique of the "woke" person is just a veiled critique of some Black stances parroted by a white mouth

 

[CoryMack]

The Auto Bio, and historians of NOI history state that there was an attempt at reconciliation with the NOI. The alleged attempts on his life are what made the split permanent. And caused him to reevaluate and reassess his life and beliefs.



I've always been candid about the current political situation in Haiti, and how it's consistent with the history of the country. Coup d'etat are a regular occurrence since Haiti was established in 1804. Democracy has NOT taken root there.
Voting in a developing country with that history is different than voting in a stable country where representative democracy has been the norm since at least the Voting Rights Act.




Trump's actions, in fact were peeped by those of us from developing countries because we've seen the playbook before. Only the history of stability here prevented Trump's coup attempt. He really tried to take it there.
"Bothsides" made no sense in election 2020 with a man who telegraphed his moves for the past 10 months.

If you don't think voting matters or has a negligible effect, what do you think a second Trump term would have looked like? He went full dictator mode when he lost. What checks and balances would there be on his actions if he won?

Who knows what a second term would’ve looked like? We don’t know what’s coming. Remember, if it wasn’t for his fumbling the COVID response he would’ve won reelection by one of the biggest margins in this nations history, and would’ve got an even bigger share of the Black vote than he did, which increased as it was among Black males.

There really isn’t much difference in the elections in Haiti and here when you get right down to it, appearances aside. Both tightly controlled with a predetermined outcome. All parties in both nations answer to outside interests. Haiti to the US predominantly, which itself answers to International Finance.

The USA runs the elections in Haiti and they run em here. They ran em in South Africa, Afghanistan, and a number of other places around the globe. Democracy not taking root in Haiti has less to do with the Haitian people and more to do with the ones who control Haitian politics, and we all know that isn’t the Haitians.

Y’all peeping the game Trump ran is just the same game that’s been run, Trump just wasn’t polished enough to pull it off completely. I guess most of you are too young to remember what the country was like during the Bush Jr era. Wasn’t too different than today, except for the fact that the Bush family is a member of the Establishment so you weren’t ever going to get him inciting a mob to violence. But then again he stole an election too, and the scene was almost as wild. It was just limited to Florida.

One more thing about Malcolm. His hajj wasn’t the first time he’d been to the Middle East and seen the so called “Brotherhood of all Muslims.” Khalid said he’d been to the Middle East on a couple of occasions before that on official NOI business, so the man wasnt seeing anything for the first time during his hajj. He was slightly disingenuous describing his great awakening after he came back from Mecca if were being totally honest. Besides, as brilliant as he was, he was just working with the info he had at the time. We’re supposed to have expanded on his knowledge base, but it seems too many Black people are content being stuck back in the civil rights era.

And it was more than attempts on his life. Him and Elijah didn’t get a chance to speak because the letters and calls were intercepted by people in Elijahs circle, some of whom turned out to be government plants.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Malcolm advocated for voting... He had a distrust for the process and from his view of what's going on in the 1960's why wouldn't... The parties were similar, the Republicans didn't want us doing shyt, the Dixiecrats bolted once the northern Dems put together legislation that they didn't agree with.. It was a con game going on for sure.

Some are still trying to tell you that nothing has changed but it has changed to a degree because in Malcolm's work he's trying to expose the fact of voter suppression. He explains if voting suppression was wiped out then many of the people in D.C. wouldn't have their seats...

You still see voter suppression tactics today but it has been exposed and it has been improving and voting matters more now than it ever has.

Malcolm would be holding politicians accountable, he'd still be advocating to wipe away voter suppression entirely and he'd be holding liberals accountable but he would also be advocating to get out and vote.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

So anyone who is on that 'both sides' shyt in TLR and anyone who advocates for people to stay home and not vote is saying so only to protect the Republican party.