Malcolm X called it - Don't be fooled by the liberal / conservative narrative.

[lib123]

Since Malcolm's death, African Americans have gotten voted into local,state, and national offices. Have held senior positions in state and national party committees. Ron Brown was the chair of the DNC, and I believe Clyburn is using his clout to get his protégé put in to be the new DNC chair. I believe an AA woman holds one of the top positions in your state.
Racism hasn't gone away, but AAs have held key decision making positions within the Democratic Party since Malcolm's comments were made. Think of the Black cabinet members and Sen.s and Rep.s who make policy decisions and votes. Then think of the ones on state and local legislatures and councils.

Simplifying Dems and Reps as just a smokescreen consolidation of anti Black organizations isn't supported by the facts. It ignores the elected or appointed Democrats in office who are Black.


*Michael Steele was the chair of the RNC in the past, but Trump's rhetoric and other overt acts of racism from other Rep.s has driven him to speak out against them.

Again, the key difference between the Malcolm clip in OP, and the transcript comment I posted in #46 is that in the 1964 clip he was planning a practical counter to that political reality. He was off the sidelines. The moves he was making in that era, including pushing for the political evolution of Black voters are what made him a bigger threat to the system. Had he lived, the political landscape and Black political leverage would be a lot different.
People gravitate towards Malcolm's words speaking out against the system, but not towards the ways that he was actively challenging that system.

Why have overall Black conditions remained stagnant despite the explosion in Black politicians? Wealth grows in lockstep with political representation for other groups.

Maybe because politicians have to work harder for the vote of other groups. Hispanics will be the biggest winners of this election cycle. They've proven that 30-50% of their vote is in play for either side. Both sides will work harder to get their vote.

 

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Since Malcolm's death, African Americans have gotten voted into local,state, and national offices. Have held senior positions in state and national party committees. Ron Brown was the chair of the DNC, and I believe Clyburn is using his clout to get his protégé put in to be the new DNC chair. I believe an AA woman holds one of the top positions in your state.
Racism hasn't gone away, but AAs have held key decision making positions within the Democratic Party since Malcolm's comments were made. Think of the Black cabinet members and Sen.s and Rep.s who make policy decisions and votes. Then think of the ones on state and local legislatures and councils.

Simplifying Dems and Reps as just a smokescreen consolidation of anti Black organizations isn't supported by the facts. It ignores the elected or appointed Democrats in office who are Black.


*Michael Steele was the chair of the RNC in the past, but Trump's rhetoric and other overt acts of racism from other Rep.s has driven him to speak out against them.

Again, the key difference between the Malcolm clip in OP, and the transcript comment I posted in #46 is that in the 1964 clip he was planning a practical counter to that political reality. He was off the sidelines. The moves he was making in that era, including pushing for the political evolution of Black voters are what made him a bigger threat to the system. Had he lived, the political landscape and Black political leverage would be a lot different.
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The more I read what you just typed. The angrier I get about our current conditions. Brown faces in high places. Tokenism. “Representation” without results.


I would take every Black elected official and throw them in the bushes RIGHT NOW, if we could trade places economically with the Korean community.

This political nonsense is killing us breh. This shyt is a game.Lemme stop before I say something that gets me in trouble.

 

[lib123]

The more I read what you just typed. The angrier I get about our current conditions. Brown faces in high places. Tokenism. “Representation” without results.


I would take every Black elected official and throw them in the bushes RIGHT NOW, if we could trade places economically with the Korean community.

This political nonsense is killing us breh. This shyt is a game.Lemme stop before I say something that gets me in trouble.

Exactly I just went to a Korean supermarket chain today. How the hell do we not own a freaking supermarket chain?

 

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Why have overall Black conditions remained stagnant despite the explosion in Black politicians? Wealth grows in lockstep with political representation for other groups.

Maybe because politicians have to work harder for the vote of other groups. Hispanics will be the biggest winners of this election cycle. They've proven that 30-50% of their vote is in play for either side. Both sides will work harder to get their vote.

That post of mine you quoted said that the political evolution of Blacks in America would be much different in 2020 had Malcolm not been killed.

But your question is a pivot from the point I was making, which was that the modern Democratic Party is made up of now 3 generations of African Americans on local,state, federal levels, and in leadership positions of the DNC.

 

[lib123]

That post of mine you quoted said that the political evolution of Blacks in America would be much different in 2020 had Malcolm not been killed.

But your question is a pivot from the point I was making, which was that the modern Democratic Party is made up of now 3 generations of African Americans on local,state, federal levels, and in leadership positions of the DNC.

Ok, my bad but still why haven't the conditions for most Black people substantially improved (as % of overall wealth) since 1968 despite that massive increase in "leadership" positions?

 

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The more I read what you just typed. The angrier I get about our current conditions. Brown faces in high places. Tokenism. “Representation” without results.


I would take every Black elected official and throw them in the bushes RIGHT NOW, if we could trade places economically with the Korean community.

This political nonsense is killing us breh. This shyt is a game.Lemme stop before I say something that gets me in trouble.

With all due respect, this is a pivot that has been used before when this exact topic was brought up. Who are the tokens? The officials voted into office by constituents?
Senator Booker and Senator elect Warnock is a token? Governor Duval?Gov. Wilder? The Black mayors, Rep.s, state legislators? All tokens?

I said that racism didn't go away, racists didn't go away but that AAs were an integral part of the Democratic Party now. And in decision making roles.

 

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Ok, my bad but still why haven't the conditions for most Black people substantially improved (as % of overall wealth) since 1968 despite that massive increase in "leadership" positions?

By different metrics, the conditions have improved. This topic has come up before, but when the measures of progress were listed, people dismissed them. Will look for the old posts and list them.

 

[lib123]

By different metrics, the conditions have improved. This topic has come up before, but when the measures of progress were listed, people dismissed them. Will look for the old posts and list them.

If you look at overall wealth, Black wealth may have increased along with the general economy. But it may not have when you factor in debt and student loans. Regardless, the share of overall wealth held by Black people remains stagnant.

 

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If you look at overall wealth, Black wealth may have increased along with the general economy. But it may not have when you factor in debt and student loans. Regardless, the share of overall wealth held by Black people remains stagnant.

Well, the economic effects of chattel slavery and Jim crow discrimination are real. The govt. and Black leadership has to develop better ways to integrate Black people into the economy and positions of wealth creation.

The political evolution and education that Malcolm and others were pushing for was critical. Leveraging votes, campaign contributions, and control of politicians is what gets agendas promoted and access to resources for communities.

Right now, what Blacks leverage are votes. So sometimes even Black elected officials are more beholden to big donors than they are to the people who voted for them. That's just reality.

 

[lib123]

Well, the economic effects of chattel slavery and Jim crow discrimination are real. The govt. and Black leadership has to develop better ways to integrate Black people into the economy and positions of wealth creation.

The political evolution and education that Malcolm and others were pushing for was critical. Leveraging votes, campaign contributions, and control of politicians is what gets agendas promoted and access to resources for communities.

Right now, what Blacks leverage are votes. So sometimes even Black elected officials are more beholden to big donors than they are to the people who voted for them. That's just reality.

Exactly, so the way we go about voting is illogical. We haven't seen substantial tangible benefits and more Black politicians has just lulled many Black people into the illusion of inclusion.

 

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Exactly, so the way we go about voting is illogical.

To gain more leverage, groups have to be able to offer more to a politician. You mentioned Hispanic groups, the Central American origin groups have birthrates that mean higher amounts of votes and greater % of the electorate in the places they live. That's what they offer politicians, and why they are courted and pandered to.

In my opinion, Blacks (any group) should expand their voter bases and build from that. Groom and fund candidates, and build/support lobby groups that promote agendas that align with interests.

Not voting takes away leverage, in my opinion.

 

[lib123]

To gain more leverage, groups have to be able to offer more to a politician. You mentioned Hispanic groups, the Central American origin groups have birthrates that mean higher amounts of votes and greater % of the electorate in the places they live. That's what they offer politicians, and why they are courted and pandered to.

In my opinion, Blacks (any group) should expand their voter bases and build from that. Groom and fund candidates, and build/support lobby groups that promote agendas that align with interests.

Not voting takes away leverage, in my opinion.

Yes, the Hispanic demographic is growing but also their vote is more up for grabs. We could do have the same birth rates but if we're still voting 90%+ Democrat while they're voting 50-60% Democrat, they'll be courted more heavily.

 

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Exactly, so the way we go about voting is illogical. We haven't seen substantial tangible benefits and more Black politicians has just lulled many Black people into the illusion of inclusion.

I don't think it's an illusion. This section of the board goes in on the CBC and elected officials often. Not sure how many follow issues, votes, or the bills and measures that these politicians promote. If they did, people could form own opinions about how effective each individual politician is.
Again, Malcolm was trying to create informed and educated voters.
Some today promote regression, mis-education, and dumbing down people. This has never benefitted Black people. In fact, it works to benefit others.

 

[lib123]

I don't think it's an illusion. This section of the board goes in on the CBC and elected officials often. Not sure how many follow issues, votes, or the bills and measures that these politicians promote. If they did, people could form own opinions about how effective each individual politician is.
Again, Malcolm was trying to create informed and educated voters.
Some today promote regression, mis-education, and dumbing down people. This has never benefitted Black people. In fact, it works to benefit others.

Yes it is illusive because if you look at the number of Black faces in high places, the average observer would rationally believe that overall Black economic progress has improved substantially since the 1960s

 

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Yes, the Hispanic demographic is growing but also their vote is more up for grabs. We could do have the same birth rates but if we're still voting 90%+ Democrat while they're voting 50-60% Democrat, they'll be courted more heavily.

Hispanic demographic is made up of different national origins, regions, and social classes. Speaking Spanish and being Catholic are the only things that really tie them all together.

Their votes are up for grabs for that reason.

The chaos you're seeing on the news now, is why the"I will hold my vote" & "no difference between parties" line was a bad stance in 2020. Might have sounded good when YTer said it, but wasn't applicable in real world setting.

Republican president, enabled by Rep. Senators/Reps and others is trying to tear the country apart. For real.