Making Melo a lifer and waving at Felton in Rikers: Knicks offseason thread

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Then it would be the duty of one Phil Jackson to explore a scenario where the entire roster is jettison for picks and 2015 favorable contracts. Melo, Bargs (final year), Chandler, Shump (potential, cheap contract), JR, and even Amare (final year, seems healthy) are all movable assets.

It may not be what I want, but it might be the right thing to do.

But he ain't going to the Bulls. Derrick Rose knees, and the Bulls' FO will prevent that from happening.
 

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i say the window is 3 years with Melo and i dont see us acquiring the right pieces in that time..........so while some want to make this a referendum on LBJ vs Melo the fact stands while Melo is prob the best scorer in the game i dont think the knicks win with him due to it not being the right time............please remember how amazing AI was a player ........amazing but also ultimately flawed .........or rather we unfairly view them to be more than they really are.............i say we reach out for sign n trade deals

Back-pedaling are we? :leon:
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Your post had absolutely nothing to do with a “window”. :rudy: You falsely accused him of being ball-dominate, failing to make his teammates better, and having an injury to the same shoulder, all while dismissing that above-the-waste injures are low risk. You used these false accusations and dismissiveness as reasons that 'Melo should be traded. Again, if you don't like him (probably because you absorb too much media), just own it. :manny: :snoop:
 
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I know some people might not agree with this but....maybe Melo leaving and us being patient (yet again) is ultimately the route we have to go.

Let Melo walk, DON'T trade Amare, Chandler, Bargnani, let em play out their contracts and re-establish your cap space. After next season I believe the only players on the roster are THJR, Shump and Felton. AND we have our first round pick. So god forbid we're ass again (totally possible) we'll actually have a lottery pick of our own.
 

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In phil we trust....

I don't want to hear any more about the Knick front office. Phil got this.


If we get melo to sign for less... great. If he wants the max and Phil maxes him out, great. If he wants to go somewhere else... great.


Let the church say amen.

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I know some people might not agree with this but....maybe Melo leaving and us being patient (yet again) is ultimately the route we have to go.

Let Melo walk, DON'T trade Amare, Chandler, Bargnani, let em play out their contracts and re-establish your cap space. After next season I believe the only players on the roster are THJR, Shump and Felton. AND we have our first round pick. So god forbid we're ass again (totally possible) we'll actually have a lottery pick of our own.

Cuz all of this is definitely gonna make you more competitive in the future than having 'Melo ever would. Funniest theory I've heard all season. :heh:
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So...

We really are acting like Melo is on some Lebron shyt where he relies on his athleticism? No knock to Bron, but there will be a point where he will start slowing down. Melo, on the other hand, although he will slow down also, his skillset is very transferable to a "athletically depreciating all star veteran."

Melo would still be a good investment because unless we really think we can get Bron(Which I really don't want) or KD in the next 2 years, why not pull the trigger on Melo. It's the people we build around him.

This whole explore trading Melo path. I'm not saying it is bad, but w/ the Knicks record, it's liable to be one of those, "Wow, in hindsight, I can't believe we let him go" kind of decisions.

I am standing strong to my view that Melo's game is about I.Q & positioning, much like Zach Randolph. ZBO is a player that doesn't even jump off the floor and his athleticism is non existent, yet he is elite in his strong points.

Oh..and are we goin to act like Melo didn't lead the league in minutes played and still had few injuries even though he basically carried us to EVERY WIN? Who wouldn't have a muscle tear by the end of a year like that? That isn't Melo's body's fault..that's the coach's fault and the lack of a winning backbone by his teammates.

**disclaimer** I know I will get flack about the Lebron comment, but let's be basketball smart here. Lebron is the best player in the League however, in the long term I think a respected point should be that 5 years from now Melo may have the skill set advantage when taking normal depreciating athleticism. I do thnk that between Melo & Lebron in the next 2 year, Bron would be the better asset but the fact that Knicks will not get him & the fact that Melo's skill set isn't really significantly effected by athleticism, he seems like a good investment to me still.
 
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I know some people might not agree with this but....maybe Melo leaving and us being patient (yet again) is ultimately the route we have to go.

Let Melo walk, DON'T trade Amare, Chandler, Bargnani, let em play out their contracts and re-establish your cap space. After next season I believe the only players on the roster are THJR, Shump and *****. AND we have our first round pick. So god forbid we're ass again (totally possible) we'll actually have a lottery pick of our own.

I was like...
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with everything you said. It is a scenario that I understand, although I do want Melo to be a Knick. I understand and respect it..but when you said...

After next season I believe the only players on the roster are ******, **** and Felton.
I was like...
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I can't respect that. Why would we want our young players developing under a PG who has NO mental strength?! He ARGUES every call and non-call resulting in fast break points and laps in collective team judgment every game!

We really want our young players learning that? We need players who aren''t knuckleheads & don't have BIG off the court drama affecting them(Artest isn't crazy anymore that is why I liked him)

We need people with focus that can help elevate everyone's game. Sorry, no Felton.
 

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**disclaimer** I know I will get flack about the Lebron comment, but let's be basketball smart here. Lebron is the best player in the League however, in the long term I think a respected point should be that 5 years from now Melo may have the skill set advantage when taking normal depreciating athleticism. I do thnk that between Melo & Lebron in the next 2 year, Bron would be the better asset but the fact that Knicks will not get him & the fact that Melo's skill set isn't really significantly effected by athleticism, he seems like a good investment to me still.

As long as Melo can nip these nagging injuries (shoulder) his game is the best bet long term. Paul Pierce was a "career loser" until Garnett, Allen, and Rondo showed up. If the Kni... Phil wants to bring a championship to NY in the next 3- 5 years I think he needs to setup Melo the way they hooked up Pierce.
 
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@DPresidential the argument of keeping Felton is well...we don't have much of a choice. Unless we can find a taker for his contract (crosses fingers) or the jail time comes thru :mjpls:

he's stuck on this team. Maybe Phil and Dolan agree to by him out and have him off the team (not out of the realm of a possibility either)

Also I was wrong, fortunately Prigioni is on the roster as well along with JR going into that 2015-2016 season.
 
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Here's what our roster and cap looks like short term

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Red = team option, blue = player option, green = QO

Ray and JR both expiring contracts that year. So they won't necessarily be guaranteed to be on this team for the rebuild from ground up.
 

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Phil has his work cut out for him. He needs to surround himself with key personnel.

I think CAA is out the mix going forward right? I hope so.

They need to work with Isiah on the draft, fukk the public response. We need to buy a pick and use his drafting skills.
 
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