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I see Drake stans are still copping mad pleas. 
Majid Jordan reveals OVO's secrets on Hot 97(How they find writers,Writing Concentration Camps,etc.)
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Drake fans are black females, white females and corny dudes on some revenge of the nerds shyt. Been like that for a minute. They live vicariously through him. It's pretty sad
Drake fans are black females, white females and corny dudes on some revenge of the nerds shyt. Been like that for a minute. They live vicariously through him. It's pretty sad
ZEB WALTON
ayo! - BEZ
dont talk out ya ass bro. I know exactly what im speaking on.
show me the hip hop set of rules. id like to see these imigainary steps written in stone like the 10 commandments. its 2016 bro, take the backpackoff and get with the program. I dont even fukk with drake AT ALL. never downloaded an album, but how can dre be the goat producer and kanye be one of the goat artists while yall shyt on drake for finding talent to help him create. NWA is the goat hip hop group but has 2 members who never wrote a verse in they life. dont be a hypocrite.
Who you talking to bro? I dont speak bullshyt. Funny how I list 20 examples of ghost writing and you focus on 2-3 trying to discredit me cause you dont wanna believe yall rhyming heros have help wit their verses sometimes.
hip hop is music just like rock is. theres no rule that hip hop has that other music doesnt. COVER SONGS are a real thing and people put their own spin on the songs if they relate to their life. Hurt by johnny cash isnt real shyt cause he only sang it and didnt write it?
what Nas/Ghost era/albums are we talking about here?
and receipts on 4th's extensive involvement on Cuban Linx?
What favorite songs are you talking about?
the nikka album; queeens get the money was a jay elect song before a nas song. if you cant tell that nas is spitting a reworked jay elect verse idk what to say
dead prez also helped write/give ideas for the album; this was a huge bombshell when it came out; both jay elect and dead prez initially gave it credibility until a little later where they say they only gave ideas.//
but lets see, jay elect makes a beat and writes a song and gives it to nas who reworks it for himself. how isnt that similar to what drake did with started from the bottom?
FACTS
killah priest helped nas write for the the gods son/street discple era of nas. hell razah called out priest for being on nas dikk and GIVING suynz of mans style to him
FACT
lol at people still not thinking ghostface didnt get written for.
Theodore unti has been writing for ghost for a minute.
the cormega/ghost song is TRIFE. infact, a major protion of that era from fishscale - more fish - big doe rehab is trife, shawn wigs, etc. how do I know this? because I know people associated with ghost. When dudes gotta drop an album every year with mixtapes they have help writing and theres no shame in that.
THE JUX by ghost on BPW was originallty superbs 2 verses. perb and ghost beef started cause perb wanted to keep verse 1 for himself to DEBUT tot he world on some debut verse shyt and gvie ghost verse 2. Ghost instead took verse 1 and perb STOLE the album because ghost took the verse. The jux originally dropped with 2 perb verses and then ghost comes with the same verse.
ghost has also taken entire old wutang rhymes and dropped them elsewhere.
FACTS
ODB's entire first album was almost written entiely by gza/rza; do we respect dirty? absolutely. rza put more work on dirtys first album then dirty did.
FACTS
The RZA -
what the blood clot - ykim
must be bobby - mathamatics
rec room - produced by true master
brooklyn zoo - true master (tho you would never know it, its on rzas greatest hits)
a lil story - cilvaringz
the 50 cent diss by the gza - produced by true master
4th disciple coproduced wugambinos and criminology and others. dude never really comes out and takes shine from rza but hes been down with wu from DAY 1 and you think he dropped his first beat with the clan on Liquid swords with Bible? na my friend, true master and 4th co produce on those early wu albums. can it be so simple sounds like 4th d to me. of course rza reworked it but these dudes gave rza their best work.
to even QUOTE the rza - loosely: "The labels wanted my name on the production for credibility. an unknown isnt going to get as much paper as it saying produced by them versus THE RZA"
infact if you want to keep it 100%. remember when SC dropped and it was ghost and the rza on the the source? RZA is loosely credited as THE PRODUCER of SC. BUT... half of SC's beats werent even made by him. They recieved 1000s of beats (like having tents set up with beat makers making 1000s of beats) and picked thru the absolute best, REWORKED THEM ie. rearranging, changing the mix, adding/removing sections and put the album out as EXECUTVE PORODUCED BY THE RZA. if that was say, DR DRE, every song would have said produced by dre co produced by beatnuts or whatever. Instead rza gave all the original guys production credit and he gave himself overall producer credit.
EMINEM: people send in 1000s of beats to em who has his team take the best and REMAKE THEM to his liking and they dont get credit
now whats the difference between that and lyrics? ZERO. takes two to tango.
but again, take my 20 examples and pick out four to try and disprove my point.
ZEB WALTON
ayo! - BEZ
show me where im wrong
did NWA have 2 people who didntw rite? are they called the GOAT?
does kanye write? is he called the mdoern day goat?
does eminem steal peoples beats, rework them and put them out without the orhinakl credits? is that fair?
did nas NEVER EVER get help writing before? he would be stupid not to and its been documented he had help from dead prez and jay elect
its been documented ghost has recieved verses WRITTEN BY SOMEONE ELSE.
did lil kim and foxy brown have EVERY VERSE written for the, were they not the goat female talent of the 90s? Did anyone give a shyt biggie ws wriing kims lyrics?
did we all jam to will smith when he came back MIB era not giving a single fukk that nas wrote going abck to miami
yall sad as fukk man; like santa aint real
up in here
Superstar
Just so you know, writing "FACTS" in all caps doesn't actually make things factual
ZEB WALTON
ayo! - BEZ
and just so you know, replying to a post of pure information with NOTHING to add makes you look like an idiot.
yall need to put up or shutup.
people write songs for people sometimes. it happens. Someone fidn me the hip hop dead sea scrollz that says you cant write for someone.
did large professor produce entire rakim albums and get ZERO credit
did agallah produce onyx second album and have the credit goto onyx themselves
dr dre basically has the same TENTS that drake has, and takes those peoples beats, adds some reverb and mixing and says he produced it. is he still the GOAT?
is the role of a producer to come in and give the backdrop to an MC to come thru on? you think producers havent come in a d told the great rappers to say this this and this and they did exactly that?
song writing can be a collaborative process. only in hip hop with its delusional fans is their some 10 commandments somewhere spraypainted in the bronx that says "all music needs to be done by one man"
and all this is coming from someone who writes/produces all my own music. someone who never listened to a drake album or ever called himsefl a fan.
but yall on soem bullshyt shytting on drake for bringing up and comers in and giving them a voice while kanye taps into ever DOPE mc/producer in hip hop history to make his CLASSICS yall jerk off to
I agree that you have to consistent. You can't shyt on Drake then think Kanye is the dopest hip hop artist ever. shyt don't even make sense.
BUT
hip hop is not rock. Hip hop has its own set of rules. Authenticity matters. A LOT. especially on the rapping side because rapping works differently from singing. The whole point of rapping is to have a conversation (melodic conversation). Conversation means people exchange personal thoughts.
It'd be like us having a convo and you're not saying your own thoughts, but someone else's. It's like
Hip hop is arguably the most poetic music genre ever, especially on the rapping side. In poetry, authenticity absolutely matters. If it was discovered Seamus Heaney didn't write his own shyt, hell would break lose. The whole attraction of his poetry is that he reps Ireland in his own personal way. Dude's a national treasure. Just like Nas is a Queensbridge treasure.
"I love hip hop, not rock n roll". Don't give a fukk about Johnny Cash in this context. Hip hop has its own rules
Doesn't matter to me. I haven't loved a Nas song since "Talk of New York." Which is basically God's Son era.
Queens Get The Money was always
and so was that Untitled album. Never cared for any Nas album after God's Son. If weaker emcees were writing it, I guess it makes sense.Receipts? as long as it isn't "Made You Look", I don't care.
That whole era was basura. Fishscale had a couple dope joints but more fish and big doe rehab were
It's funny you say they were written by others because back then, it felt like a different and less interesting Ghostface. And I was wondering: how and why is he putting out so much (subpar) material? Perfect example is "Yapp City". Like Ghost was dumbing himself down to hang with Trife and Smack DVD rappers.never cared for BPW.
Receipts breh. The only time Ghost took a line was the opening of Cherchez La Ghost. "no girl can freak me, I'm just too nasty." And I can allow that because that's his crew. They came into the game together. They never pretended like they wrote every single rhyme by themselves. Rae even said he wrote Ghost's part on "Heaven and Hell" and just got Ghost to spit on it. Which is totally fine by me. You're rolling as a duo, that's cool.
Nobody considers ODB a great lyricist. He was the hypeman emcee. Like the kind of cat that'd lift a Dr Seuss rhyme and just respit it word for word, just crazier. Doesn't matter to me much.
Alright. I need receipts on this. This one I do care about.
It's well known True Master did that beat.This I care about. Hearsay isn't good enough.
Not saying it's not possible, but I need receipts. Because if it's true, I'll have to knock RZA down a peg.
This contradicts your earlier statement regarding True/4th. RZA did the right thing here. You knew other people made the beat, but he threaded the needle through the whole patchwork, so to speak. Nothing's wrong with that.
It's completely different from Dre who gets sole visible production credit. On SC, "One" is produced by Juju and the whole album is exec produced by RZA. That's still keeping it real to me because you're giving credit where it's due.
ZEB WALTON
ayo! - BEZ
SC';s credits are very true. I was just showing an example of how people are given beats and reworked them. RZA began to give everyone credit once 95 hit, thats when you start to see co produced by this one and that one. he did do the rigth thing thereI agree that you have to consistent. You can't shyt on Drake then think Kanye is the dopest hip hop artist ever. shyt don't even make sense.
BUT
hip hop is not rock. Hip hop has its own set of rules. Authenticity matters. A LOT. especially on the rapping side because rapping works differently from singing. The whole point of rapping is to have a conversation (melodic conversation). Conversation means people exchange personal thoughts.
It'd be like us having a convo and you're not saying your own thoughts, but someone else's. It's like
Hip hop is arguably the most poetic music genre ever, especially on the rapping side. In poetry, authenticity absolutely matters. If it was discovered Seamus Heaney didn't write his own shyt, hell would break lose. The whole attraction of his poetry is that he reps Ireland in his own personal way. Dude's a national treasure. Just like Nas is a Queensbridge treasure.
"I love hip hop, not rock n roll". Don't give a fukk about Johnny Cash in this context. Hip hop has its own rules
Doesn't matter to me. I haven't loved a Nas song since "Talk of New York." Which is basically God's Son era.
Queens Get The Money was always
Receipts? as long as it isn't "Made You Look", I don't care.
That whole era was basura. Fishscale had a couple dope joints but more fish and big doe rehab were
never cared for BPW.
Receipts breh. The only time Ghost took a line was the opening of Cherchez La Ghost. "no girl can freak me, I'm just too nasty." And I can allow that because that's his crew. They came into the game together. They never pretended like they wrote every single rhyme by themselves. Rae even said he wrote Ghost's part on "Heaven and Hell" and just got Ghost to spit on it. Which is totally fine by me. You're rolling as a duo, that's cool.
Nobody considers ODB a great lyricist. He was the hypeman emcee. Like the kind of cat that'd lift a Dr Seuss rhyme and just respit it word for word, just crazier. Doesn't matter to me much.
Alright. I need receipts on this. This one I do care about.
This I care about. Hearsay isn't good enough.
Not saying it's not possible, but I need receipts. Because if it's true, I'll have to knock RZA down a peg.
This contradicts your earlier statement regarding True/4th. RZA did the right thing here. You knew other people made the beat, but he threaded the needle through the whole patchwork, so to speak. Nothing's wrong with that.
It's completely different from Dre who gets sole visible production credit. On SC, "One" is produced by Juju and the whole album is exec produced by RZA. That's still keeping it real to me because you're giving credit where it's due.
he produced all the wu tang songs, those guys made /started making beats. RZA deserves full credit IMO, especially if dre and his tent of producers gets to write prodeuce dby dre on all his shyt he didnt do.
what the blood clot is very well known as a ykim beat. ykim confirms it in his interviews and rza even shouts him out on the song "whatup YKIM"
but you see, rza and ghost taking 1000 beats from people, taking the best 20, doing whatever they want to the beat to make it sound wu tang ish and dropping an album which is a wutang classic, not a juju beatnuts classic or hasaan the abrber classic, a rza classic instead... it isnt far off
i totally understand everyone being on their hip hop shyt that it needs to be pure. i get it. i am that way as well. but the game has moved on.it has evolved into a multimillion dollar industry and this is how it works
That's hearsay, breh. I remember when YKIM came out saying that shyt. Method Man shytted on him for lying. Ykim being shouted out doesn't prove shyt.
I agree with your overall point about ghostwriting. Rap is pop now, and has been pop for 15 years if not a little more. So frankly, I don't care who writes what. There's no depth to this bullshyt anyway.
But if you start saying the standard by which the genre is held to, the Supreme Clienteles, Illmatics, Cuban Linxs, Infamouses, etc are written secretly by other people, that's when I'll have a problem with the genre. The fact of the matter is that, as we know, the greatest stuff ever created in this genre was authentic and that's why it still rings true to this day.
ZEB WALTON
ayo! - BEZ
no, meth shytted on him for talking about the wu ina bad way, shytting on 8d and the clan as 5%ers. talking about his frog style.
Ykim produced it bro. believe me, i aint lying. the tical album was lost in the flood, i believ ethe story is rza bought it off ykim. this is 20 years of wu history im trying to bring back, I dont have r4eceipts for every single one.
is 4thD credited for subcrazy? cause he did that and I know the linear notes read R. Diggs and C. Smith only
and i agree. this shyt nowadays has no soul. and we keep propping these artists with no soul so we can get wrecked and dance a lil. hip hop hasnt been the same in sometime.
OGBobbyJohnson
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I dont remember seeing @Walt threads about this on Sohh but people in here defending this are delusional..if he wants to be that type of artist fine but you cant put him up there with the GOATS..There's an asterik & for the record i don't really fw with Ye either
So umm... Drake bought his way into the game & has ghostwriters??
So umm... Drake bought his way into the game & has ghostwriters??
drake stans, man!!!