Lyricism is dead because it takes too long to write witty lines..these new rappers are just lazy

[O.G.B]

You have to think,alot of artist of today don't get credit for being lyrical,witty and having wordplay because they have country accents.

Sadly the world equates having a country accent to not being intelligent. If an act like the Migos weren't so country,and were rapping about the boroughs and holding the llama? Or rapping about 64 Impalas and pronouncing their words with hard 'ers hiphop fans would be all over them as the second coming of Wutang and NWA. The drunken beligerent delivery is actually what hurts much of the newer generation. It's hard for me to look at a guy like J Cole and Wale and say he is more talented then the Migos lyrically outside of his content.

But because he has a more coherent,kind delivery,and positive content,its seen that way. Lack of content is what I think you mean to say OP,and yes they are all very lazy in that regard.

Has nothing to do with "country accents" IMO. Lil Wayne, Outkast (Big Boi & Andre 3000) 2 Chainz, TI, Scarface are lyrical southern rappers with country or southern accents. The reason no one rates or categorizes the Migos as lyrical group or MC's is simply because they're straight
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[Benefited]

Has nothing to do with "country accents" IMO. Lil Wayne, Outkast (Big Boi & Andre 3000) 2 Chainz, TI, Scarface are lyrical southern rappers with country or southern accents. The reason no one rates or categorizes the Migos as lyrical group or MC's is simply because they're straight
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And none of them get the respect they deserve which proves my point outside of overated 3K And thats only because a white rapper and a NY guy in Jay started the ball rolling. Matter of fact all of these guys were slept on and not as respected as they should be until Jay-Z told the New York hiphop media they should pay some attention to those guys. T.I got respect once he was called the Jay-Z of the South by Pharell. Wayne got props once cosigned by Jay-Z. Face once he collaberated with Jay. The south is thoroughly disrespected when it comes to their lyricist outside of the Clipse,and I'm unsure if they are even considered southern by anybody.

Your possibly and ignorant listener no offense. You guys do understand there are different levels of lyricism right? Same way we can acknowledge while he wasn't a masterful technician lyricist,you can't just say 2Pac couldn't rap. Yet you guys somehow believe you can counter wisdom of legends like Q-Tip who say Migos have bars. As well as guys like 2chainz who acknowledge their pen as well as got outshined by them.

 

[mobbinfms]

And none of them get the respect they deserve which proves my point outside of overated 3K And thats only because a white rapper and a NY guy in Jay started the ball rolling. Matter of fact all of these guys were slept on and not as respected as they should be until Jay-Z told the New York hiphop media they should pay some attention to those guys. T.I got respect once he was called the Jay-Z of the South by Pharell. Wayne got props once cosigned by Jay-Z. Face once he collaberated with Jay. The south is thoroughly disrespected when it comes to their lyricist outside of the Clipse,and I'm unsure if they are even considered southern by anybody.

Your possibly and ignorant listener no offense. You guys do understand there are different levels of lyricism right? Same way we can acknowledge while he wasn't a masterful technician lyricist,you can't just say 2Pac couldn't rap. Yet you guys somehow believe you can counter wisdom of legends like Q-Tip who say Migos have bars. As well as guys like 2chainz who acknowledge their pen as well as got outshined by them.

3000 was given props from 96 on.
Face by 92, 94 at the latest.

 

[Benefited]

3000 was given props from 96 on.
Face by 92, 94 at the latest.

not what I recall whatsoever.

You might be confusing being considered "nice for a nikka from the south" props. But I don't when you are all time goat level emcees.

 

[mobbinfms]

not what I recall whatsoever.

You might be confusing being considered "nice for a nikka from the south" props. But I don't when you are all time goat level emcees.

Outside of Rakim, nobody was getting called a GOAT in that time frame.
They got props in real time and it didn't have anything to do with Jay.

 

[O.G.B]

And none of them get the respect they deserve which proves my point outside of overated 3K And thats only because a white rapper and a NY guy in Jay started the ball rolling. Matter of fact all of these guys were slept on and not as respected as they should be until Jay-Z told the New York hiphop media they should pay some attention to those guys. T.I got respect once he was called the Jay-Z of the South by Pharell. Wayne got props once cosigned by Jay-Z. Face once he collaberated with Jay. The south is thoroughly disrespected when it comes to their lyricist outside of the Clipse,and I'm unsure if they are even considered southern by anybody.

Your possibly and ignorant listener no offense. Same way we can acknowledge while he wasn't a masterful technician lyricist,you can't just say 2Pac couldn't rap. Yet you guys somehow believe you can counter wisdom of legends like Q-Tip who say Migos have bars. As well as guys like 2chainz who acknowledge their pen as well as got outshined by them.

Nonsense! Lil Wayne, Outkast (Big Boi & Andre 3000) & Scarface are revered & rated by many as some of the best lyrical MC's in hip hop (past or current).

The south is thoroughly disrespected when it comes to their lyricist outside of the Clipse

The fact that you would claim that the Clipse are respected "lyricist" totally undermines any credibility you have on this subject.

Your possibly and ignorant listener no offense.

The only one who's ignorant is you for even suggesting that Migos with their nursery school rhymes are real lyrical rappers.

Yet you guys somehow believe you can counter wisdom of legends like Q-Tip who say Migos have bars. As well as guys like 2chainz who acknowledge their pen as well as got outshined by them.

So what! Q Tip & 2 Chainz are entitled to their personal opinions, but the majority of the hip hop community who prioritizes real MC's with dope lyrical content think that the Migos are trash which is why they are widely categorized as one of the leaders of the "mumble rap" era.

 

[3rdWorld]

The non lyrical rappers are primarily from the South and killed the art.

And how can you expect a chemically induced druggie to get lyrical.?

Hiphop used to be diverse, now everyone wants to sound like Future etc and mumble.
Let the mumblers appeal to short attention span fans, and lyrical mc's continue making great music for their fans. We dont all have to like the same thing

 

[Xecutioner]

Lyricism ain't dead. It may not be the selling point in mainstream hip hip. But it's far from dead

 

[Ron Fox]

Show me a Juvenile verse on one of his hits as lyrical as Offsets last verse on Versace?

Your confusing "flow" with being "lyrical."

That Offset verse had hella flow but had no real "lyrical" elements....That shyt was simple and elementary as fukk.

Now Juveniles "Ha" Had compounds all thruout the song.

you should be more like the legends and support the youth who actually do care about the craft instead of tearing them down. .

This is a complete lie....Because in this very thread I pointed out that Cyhi was an example of being lyrical. He's a young cat who is from this decade and from GA that is a great example of being lyrical.


His latest single is in my current rotation

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Lyricism is dead because every nikka wants to follow biggie of not writing their lyrics down and say all they need is that lean

U correct, cept dey aint really following biggie.. dey're following dat drugged up fakkit lil wayne who was tryna be like big n jay with dat "I don't write shyt".

 

[Ron Fox]

not what I recall whatsoever.

You might be confusing being considered "nice for a nikka from the south" props. But I don't when you are all time goat level emcees.

This is some made up bullshyt. When "Mind Playing Tricks On Me" dropped NYC bowed down. nikkaz wasnt even focused on where rappers were from like that in 1991...Thats how I know u just making shyt up.

 

[3rdWorld]

This is some made up bullshyt. When "Mind Playing Tricks On Me" dropped NYC bowed down. nikkaz wasnt even focused on where rappers were from like that in 1991...Thats how I know u just making shyt up.

Hip hop was so diverse back then, anyone coming with great hip hop was paid attention to unlike today. No one ever gave a fukk that the Geto Boys were from the South. They had wild lyrics and hard beats, what more could you ask for?

 

[JustCKing]

lyricism died when the South took over and put so much more emphasis on beats.

To the second part as far as not writing your rhymes down Jay DIDN'T START IT, but Jay was the main one sayin he didn't write his rhymes down back when every rapper wanted to be like Jay.

But the South, as far as the movement and when it took over that's when the value of lyricism went WAY down. It was all about the beat, nothing more

Lyricism didn't die when the South took over. When The South took over, there were lyricists in The South who were some if the bigger names in rap (Luda, T.I.). Lyricism took a dip all over around 2007 and it was spearheaded by a guy who said he could make a million dollars saying nothing on the beat (MIMS) and he wasn't from The South. Dude was from NY. The line was so offensive it inspired Jay to make American Gangster.

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Negged....

 

[Billy Ocean]

I dont know if P is a good example....No one will argue with u that 90's P wasnt lyrical. P was one of the best lyricists of the 90's but he did have the ability to do the punchline/metaphor shyt:


Your simple words just don't move me: you're minor, we're major
You're all up in the game and don't deserve to be a player

Rhyme schemes out the ass

I'm only 19, but my mind is old
And when the things get for real, my warm heart turns cold
Another nikka deceased, another story gets told
It ain't nothin' really, ayo Dun, spark the Philly


P was just that good were he could switch it up like with the rhyme u posted. But u see thats the thing....can someone who can tell a good street story switch up like P and get on some metaphoric/punchline shyt? Thats what I say is a lyricist...someone who could do the witty shyt and switch it up too, Thats why I mentioned Canibus, Pun and G Rap....cuz they do that with ease.

Never said P couldn't, or didn't, use metaphors or punchlines effectively. I'm saying he is not known as a MC who relied heavily on either. Some of his most memorable verses doesn't really utilize a bunch of metaphors or punchlines. A poster earlier brought up Keep It Thoro. Easily some of P's most memorable verses. Nary a metaphor or punchline in the track. Another example is his verse on Godfather Part 3:

Alright now, pay attention to the crime rhyme Houdini P
Keepin you nikkaz in perspective
Mobb, representative, call me the specialist
Professional, professor at this rap science
Up in the laboratory, here's why your small rhyme bore me
Store bought rap ain't shyt, my category
Is that of an insane man who strike back (what?)
I draw first blood, it's over with, and that's that
You wanna square off, forsake and slice that cat
You get splashed, from back of your head, your ass crack
Searching for signs to the end, well I am that
Which bring, apocalypse to this game called rap

Not a game but quite serious and yo in fact
You'll be runnin for dear life so far you might fall off the map
fukkin with P, you need a gat
At least you have the opportunity to bust back
Fresh out the motherfukkin' pack a rare world premier
Shook individuals bounce with blind fear
Scared to death nikkaz fall to they worst fear
Horror tales in braille, for vision impaired
You lookin for P, well you can find him everywhere
In a project near you, I'll be right there
I was brought up and taught to have no fear (now)
Live wire nikkaz stay behind me in the rear (now)
Cowardly hearts, step aside, stand clear (fear)
My bloodthirsty nikkaz got they eyes on you
QBC, lime Bacardia, G.O.D. Father Point Three
On some hashish, to Embassy Suite, crash your party