Lupe Fiasco tells Aye Verb that Kendrick Lamar ain’t dangerous as a lyricist. He also say that Drake is a better rapper than Kendrick 🔷Twitter Spaces

[kaldurahm]

Huge Lupe fan, trust Lupe is definitely jealous of Kendricks success. Kendrick is easier to listen to, while still making thoughtful tracks. Dude definitely has skills

Of course lyrically, Kendrick ain't messing with Lupe, but Kendrick is still good lyrically while making more catchy music.

Basically in the same lane with concept albums. I don't think any of Kenny's albums are messing with The Cool, but I can easily see why everyone gravitates to Kendricks albums. I stopped the Kendrick Vs Lupe thing after I heard To Pimp a Butterfly. Lupe should get over it.

 

[AMcV'88]

people always want other people to shut up and stay out of things when they are not praising the person they want them to praise.

 

[AngryBaby]

Kendrick flow is ok, but its choppy and animated like a worse version of Eminem at his best, doesn't come across natural at times.

Eminems flow isn't choppy...unless you are talking about recent eminem lol

But em on songs like renegade, bytch please 2, Dead wrong etc are silky smooth. Sucks when people forget the past.

But even kendrick flow on Like That, was better than drakes monotone flow on his diss track.

 

[AngryBaby]

EXACTLY!!!!!

Even when I was a Lu stan I always knew deep down his voice was unremarkable and his flow/delivery meh but his wordplay and concepts always helped me ignore it.

Yeah, it's why when someone completely stans lupe over kendricks, or rappers like (prime)eminem,busta,tech n9nes etc then I know they are ignoring a major element of the MUSICAL part of rapping.

Flow is the music. Tech n9ne and busta can go accapella and make the flow the song. Choppy rappers can't do that.

I think it's a left brain versus right brain thing. You can teach bars and lyrics. Can't really teach flow. That's a style thing. You either get it or you dont.

 

[Uchiha God]

It's only a few artists in music period who I think write their own lyrics and most of them are OGs or trash punch-in rappers who put no thought into song making. I get Drake being the poster child since he's on top, but looking at song credits on a lot of these rappers albums and it's about 10 nikkas listed each song, Kendrick included.

Yeah well, people don't care about credited writers on songs because people can get writing credits from hook/choruses and even samples. Creation of music is a collaborative effort. However; hip-hop is a very distinctive case in which rapping ability is the litmus test to assess and assert a rapper's quality. Therefore - much like how there are inherent - non-physical - "contracts" that allows us to live and function in a civil society - there's also an understood agreement and expectation that a rapper, at the very least, writes their own verses - especially so if they want/covet credit for their pen/rapping ability.

The possibility that a substantial amount of these rappers don't pen their stuff is very real, and likely the case. However, until reference tracks, and even interviews, for and from their ghostwriters start popping-up (like they did for Drake) - so that we can address them - these are nothing but vague whataboutism allegations with the single purpose of muddying the waters and turning ghostwriter paranormal activity into acceptable standard practice - at which point, what is the point of rap? By large, rappers don't sing, dance, play instruments etc. Their pen/rapping ability is the point/what sets them apart.

This isn't really hard to grasp - and I find it weird that people that are supposedly fans of the genre are so willing to do away with a core tenet of the art and dilute it even further.

Drake is still a good musical artist, he has a lot of accomplishments - but how can he get credit as a rapper when the verses you're hearing are just as likely to having been penned by random Somali kid in a basement in Toronto getting paid in owl t-shirts and free entry at hookah lounges?

 

[KillKenny]

It's so clear Lupe smells the emerging competitive vibes in hip hop are a opportunity for him. It's a smart move by him but unfortunately I don't think it work out for him.

 

[Kaypain]

Has Kendrick ever acknowledged Lupe

I don't get it bruh, I just don't get it. Lupe is the fukking reason I even started listening to Kendrick, I didn't even know who Kendrick was but Lupe was literally promoting Kendrick's album on Twitter and I checked it out. I liked what I heard and I started listening to Kendrick other shyt and the rest is history



We could have gotten a great collab. I don't get where the switch up came from. Lupe was even promoting TPAB on Twitter

He's admitted that Kendrick makes better music than him. Wtf is wrong with Lupe

 

[Redwing80]

These rap nikkas weird as fukk

Rapper exposed having ghost writers and you talking bout "he got BARS"

These the nikkas some of you look up to

 

[Uno]

Funny how posters are in here are calling Lupe old man when these are same old fukks that in the Nas upcoming album sucking his dikk. If Lupe is Old, what the fukk is Nas. If Lupe said Kendrick was the better, yall would have been on dikk. "See a real rapper recognize Kendrick, he knows Aubrey is fake, tired of these youngins destroying rap"

 

[AngryBaby]

Yeah well, people don't care about credited writers on songs because people can get writing credits from hook/choruses and even samples. Creation of music is a collaborative effort. However; hip-hop is a very distinctive case in which rapping ability is the litmus test to assess and assert a rapper's quality. Therefore - much like how there are inherent - non-physical - "contracts" that allows us to live and function in a civil society - there's also an understood agreement and expectation that a rapper, at the very least, writes their own verses - especially so if they want/covet credit for their pen/rapping ability.

The possibility that a substantial amount of these rappers don't pen their stuff is very real, and likely the case. However, until reference tracks, and even interviews, for and from their ghostwriters start popping-up (like they did for Drake) - so that we can address them - these are nothing but vague whataboutism allegations with the single purpose of muddying the waters and turning ghostwriter paranormal activity into acceptable standard practice - at which point, what is the point of rap? By large, rappers don't sing, dance, play instruments etc. Their pen/rapping ability is the point/what sets them apart.

This isn't really hard to grasp - and I find it weird that people that are supposedly fans of the genre are so willing to do away with a core tenet of the art and dilute it even further.

Drake is still a good musical artist, he has a lot of accomplishments - but how can he get credit as a rapper when the verses you're hearing are just as likely to having been penned by random Somali kid in a basement in Toronto getting paid in owl t-shirts and free entry at hookah lounges?

Yeah I feel like drake ushered in a weird time in hip hop and suddenly rap "fans" started diluting the whole genre in order to let him stay in.

People in general who eat up alot of mainstream music are problematic in general if I'm being honest. They typically aren't the type to search for music, thus followers.

 

[HoldThisL]

I feel like everyone sometimes misses that hiphop is about more than just bars though. There is flow, cadence, and how you present the bars.

Kendrick has better flow and cadence than drake for example....easily. that's what made the control verse, and the like that verse. That's what the wow factor is.

Lupe doesn't value this, because...its not really his absolute strength either. Sometimes I feel like he mainly prioritizes lyrics and bars over these things entirely.

Like for example if busta rhymes is on a song with lupe or Drake...from a flow/cadence/presentation/musical standpoint Busta will look be an absolute monster.

Same thing with Pac, Same shyt with DMX, and anyone else that fits that category. That shyt matters to me and is just as important.

 

[HoldThisL]

Funny how posters are in here are calling Lupe old man when these are same old fukks that in the Nas upcoming album sucking his dikk. If Lupe is Old, what the fukk is Nas. If Lupe said Kendrick was the better, yall would have been on dikk. "See a real rapper recognize Kendrick, he knows Aubrey is fake, tired of these youngins destroying rap"

Nas better than Lupe.

 

[Kaypain]

Everything Lupe said here is exactly what I’ve felt for the longest regarding Kendrick, but I’m sure it will be considered as him just hating

I like Kendrick a lot but I don’t think I’ve ever seen another rapper gassed up as much as him

Lupe was literally one the nikkas that was gassing him back in the day

 

[WMG the 2nd]

Lu isn't a random at your local community college, though. Kendrick wants to pretend he's the boogeyman while avoiding people he knows would beat him. I mean, I get it. After how casually Lupe crushed Royce I wouldn't test him either.

Yeah it’s more like Kendrick is kyrie
Lupe is let’s say Gary Payton.

 

[lightskin jermaine]

Yeah well, people don't care about credited writers on songs because people can get writing credits from hook/choruses and even samples. Creation of music is a collaborative effort. However; hip-hop is a very distinctive case in which rapping ability is the litmus test to assess and assert a rapper's quality. Therefore - much like how there are inherent - non-physical - "contracts" that allows us to live and function in a civil society - there's also an understood agreement and expectation that a rapper, at the very least, writes their own verses - especially so if they want/covet credit for their pen/rapping ability.

The possibility that a substantial amount of these rappers don't pen their stuff is very real, and likely the case. However, until reference tracks, and even interviews, for and from their ghostwriters start popping-up (like they did for Drake) - so that we can address them - these are nothing but vague whataboutism allegations with the single purpose of muddying the waters and turning ghostwriter paranormal activity into acceptable standard practice - at which point, what is the point of rap? By large, rappers don't sing, dance, play instruments etc. Their pen/rapping ability is the point/what sets them apart.

This isn't really hard to grasp - and I find it weird that people that are supposedly fans of the genre are so willing to do away with a core tenet of the art and dilute it even further.

Drake is still a good musical artist, he has a lot of accomplishments - but how can he get credit as a rapper when the verses you're hearing are just as likely to having been penned by random Somali kid in a basement in Toronto getting paid in owl t-shirts and free entry at hookah lounges?

I understand the sample credit but again, every song has numerous contributions and not every song has a sample. Also help with hooks and choruses is basically ghostwriting. Cole is one of the few artists I can check credits and not see any other writer credits.

I agree with your point and the origins of Rap. I disagree that rappers don't dance and sing. They did in the 80s they don't count? A lot of rappers got rid of the r&b feature and sing their own hooks.

Like most musical genres, rap has evolved. It is the most popular form of music and we're in a microwave society that wants music fast and will move on to the next thing if they don't get it. So it doesn't surprise me that the bigger the artist gets, the more help they get to keep pumping out music. It is what it is.

We can pound the table and demand the artists stay true to art of expect Lyricists to pen their own lyrics but the genre has grown to pop music level.