Lupe Fiasco “kendrick is not a top tier lyricist to me”
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Drake didn't drop an album in 2017....what the fukk was "More Life"?
And don't come with that play list bullshyt.
"Views" was a pop album. The biggest hits of Drake's career ain't even rap. The biggest hits of Kendrick's career are RAP. Cut the bullshyt out. People compare Kendrick and Lupe because they're both rappers....same as people compare any rappers....and Kendrick fans been talking about his popularity since "DAMN" dropped because it blew the fukk up. It has nothing to do with Lupe specifically.
Why do you Lupe fans over complicate everything? I said "it WAS always his talent". Key word....was. Now he actually has the sales so his fans bring that up, too. It's not rocket science. And we have no way of knowing if TDE stole ideas from Lupe....if it stopped at "T&Y" I might be able to rock with the theory....but now Lupe is claiming they stole his album cover....where does this shyt stop?
I need you cats to understand I don't even fukk with Kendrick like that. Go check the "TPAB" thread, I was one of the few people criticizing it. So imagine how out of touch some of yall sound....for someone like me to actually defend him.
Fred.
spliz
SplizThaDon
Lupe says shyt like that cause he’s a sore loser. Lets keep it 100. The nikka was bragging HARD about T&Y. And how great an album it was. And imo. It was the best album that dropped that year. And its not cause of the lyrics alone. Its cause I felt it was dope music. And it was dope concepts executed properly. Even the concept that Kenny used for DAMN! where u play the album backwards. Lupe did that flawlessly with T&Y already. And this is coming from a nikka who felt every album that nikka put out since The Cool was trash. Lupe def got looked over for that album and he’s DEF salty about it. So he resorts to that kid tactic acting like shyt dont matter at all.
I never said anything about people never fukking with Lupe. I never said anything remotely similar to that.
I specifically said the more lyrical, abstract shyt Lupe has done recently. Which ain't setting the world on fire like that. The last gold album he had was "Lasers" which was terrible. His last plat single came out 6 years ago, for Christ sake.
Again....by his own admission he don't care about making the best music anymore, just crafting the best bars. Which is cool but his music has suffered because of it.
This angle don't work anymore as Kendrick outsold and got more critical acclaim than Drake in 2017. Hell, even prior to that Kendrick had the critical acclaim and Drake had sales, so there was always a division (prior to 2017, anyway) as to what their respective fan bases could brag about. And with Kendrick, it was always his talent. Drake, it was his numbers.
Fred.
I said, that alone....I could entertain the thought that maybe they stole his idea. But then he doubled down and is now claiming they stole his album cover. He's out here sounding like a lunatic.
Regardless of his logic....whether or not he's a sore loser or whatever....the end result is still the same. He has little to no interest in making actual music. When I see him promoting shyt like MF DOOM and Aesop Rock. Talking about they're the GOATs or the best out or whatever. I think he probably went the "full bars, no musicality" route as a defense mechanism because his shyt wasn't popping how he thought it would....but I 100% think he's serious with it.
Fred.
Toe Jay Simpson
Searchin’
I used to rock with Lupe hard, matter fact T&Y is still one notch below classic. But my man ain’t been the same since that white lady at Atlantic had him boycotting his own music
Caught ya...... more life wasnt an album it was a mixtape...
Dont pull that “drake is pop so he sells more” bullshyt when y’all was in here big talking about sales and popularity lol. Thats all im saying. The arguments and logic change when it works in your favor. Besides kendrick working with rihanna, he pop now too lol.
Insensitive
Superstar
What I don't understand about Lupe fiasco or more specifically his stans
is why the discussion about Lupe fiasco is that this dude always writes
these mind blowing unbelievable deeply abstract and hard to understand verses.
Like 90% of his discography if we're looking at the lyrics they really aren't all that special.
I'd even argue they're much in line with what other lyricists have brought to the table.
What makes Lupe great isn't some next level lyrical skill, it was cool song concepts
The Cool, Food & Liquor and Tetsuo & Youth are great albums because of that IMO.
Cause if we're being really real Lupe's discography is largely very accessible when it comes
to the writing and not to different from Kendrick to be honest.
He isn't exactly Aesop Rock or El-P or Saul Williams or even Blu who regularly writes
some of the most painterly wonderfully craftedlyrics that are always accented by his
choice of samples. Perfect example of this is "H.E.R. favorite Colo(u)r".
is why the discussion about Lupe fiasco is that this dude always writes
these mind blowing unbelievable deeply abstract and hard to understand verses.
Like 90% of his discography if we're looking at the lyrics they really aren't all that special.
I'd even argue they're much in line with what other lyricists have brought to the table.
What makes Lupe great isn't some next level lyrical skill, it was cool song concepts
The Cool, Food & Liquor and Tetsuo & Youth are great albums because of that IMO.
Cause if we're being really real Lupe's discography is largely very accessible when it comes
to the writing and not to different from Kendrick to be honest.
He isn't exactly Aesop Rock or El-P or Saul Williams or even Blu who regularly writes
some of the most painterly wonderfully craftedlyrics that are always accented by his
choice of samples. Perfect example of this is "H.E.R. favorite Colo(u)r".
Waterproof
Warrior Lifestyle
Lupe watching Kendrick Lamar on his television like 
I hope Kendrick send a shot at Lupe infront of the world
I hope Kendrick send a shot at Lupe infront of the world
spliz
SplizThaDon
Nah. Dont agree wit this. Lu is def an elite lyricist. Him an Kendrick arent the same at all lyrically. And thats fine. A song like SLR3 shows this. And that aint even the best example. Kendrick is just far more consistent musically. And has the ability to captivate people in ways Lupe cant.
Rocky (imma get hate for this but)
Drake
Cole
when it come to straight rapping all 3 of them got more bars than KDot...
How many posters caught feelings over this truth? Especially being on the first page
How many posters caught feelings over this truth? Especially being on the first page
Too many
Insensitive
Superstar
They aren't the same, I never once said they had similar writing styles or song structure or anything
of that nature. Kendrick is clearly in another stratosphere to Lupe when it comes to that.
However as far as Lupe being an "Elite Lyricist", I don't disagree I just don't agree with the idea that
Kendrick isn't "Elite" as well. I think Kendrick's simplicity is overstated here and he's often depicted
as some incoherent rambler who makes no points or says nothing. Somehow he confuses
and bamboozles some of his detractors on The Coli but makes perfect sense to the general public.
Clearly, there's some dishonesty here (that's not necessarily aimed at you obviously) but there's a
theme that goes along with people dismissing Kendrick Lamar as the "ranting and raving incoherent
media darling" which is something repeated on here often.
With that said you mention SLR3 but that's just the thing songs like SLR3, Form Follows Function, Lupe The Killer, Mural etc.
are just a small bit of his body of work. That vast majority of his material doesn't follow that "Lyrical Exercise" format.
Paris, Tokyo and Hurt Me Soul and other songs of that nature aren't brilliant because they're incredible
literary works delivered in a Hip-Hop format, they're great because essentially they function well as songs.
The lyrics themselves aren't some mind blowing shyt, they're pretty normal and use a lot of the same literary
devices that Lupe's peers use.
Kendrick isn't averse to metaphor.
J. Cole isn't new to Punchlines.
Royce Da 5'9" can weave a coherent story as well as anyone.
Skyzoo snaps together all kinds of cultural references, metaphors and open ended
musings into his music that'd make Lupe himself blush.
And Elzhi well...he's Elzhi.
What Lupe regularly does is pretty typical of the better writers in Hip-Hop and what annoys me
is instead of focusing on Lyrics and really conversing about Lyrics a lot of posters on here would
rather turn to slobbing off their favorite rapper, which is cool but I think that's when the discussion
turns from Hip-Hop and the writing therein to hero worship.
I think Kendrick's great and I'm often pegged as a Kendrick "stan" but whenever I enter these threads
I make sure to mention that I think several other rappers are great and they aren't always 90's heroes
they're usually contemporary artists
.
Which leads to this :
At some point I have to ask,"how does anyone who has a genuine love for writing or it's place in
Hip-Hop think Lupe fiasco stands alone ?".
