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If the study strongly concluded that Light skin orginated in Africa and pale skin is said to be a mutation of light skin. That time gap is faulty in it's self.
So your telling me that light skin originated in Africa thousands of years ago and the mutation just came only recently outside of it's source? A mutation happens spontaneously within the genes not because of cold weather. The cold climate did not change their skin. It retained the pale skin color that migrated there through selective mating or natural selection.
bruh, stop it.

pale skin does not = lighter skin deviation

and who told you that colder climates doesnt change skin color? show me that source..

research more on how genetics actually work.
 

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Just because the trait exploded 7,000 years ago doesn't mean that gene wasn't already present. Natural selection is the reason why we may see it in huge numbers. A mutation happens at random, The light skin allele was already present and they say pale skin is just a mutation of light skin (Olive to lighest beige) and that was already present. They did not exclusively evolve those traits natural selection breed out those light skin people in those areas. The pale skin they are talking about most likely came from eurasia/ asia and some are saying that the gene could have came from south africa.

I seriously don't know how much more I can explain.

But you deflated your own argument with the bolded. If pale skin is a mutation than it is UNIQUE/EXCLUSIVE to that population that it evolved in and not the population prior. Again look up SNP genetic events so we can save this argument.
 

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bruh, stop it.

pale skin does not = lighter skin deviation

and who told you that colder climates doesnt change skin color? show me that source..

research more on how genetics actually work.

Weather and climate does not change your genetics. Genetics changes your genetics and skin color is determined by your genetics.
There is difference between your body adapting to cold/hot weather with maybe a tan or getting slightly lighter. You can't go from super brown to pale just because of cold weather.
 

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Earlier both you and Poitier said that Skinny noses, Light skin,etc came from Africans now y'all are saying that Africans never had the dna gene to create such features.
You don't think that africans could have had the genetic code for blue eyes/ blonde hair also?
Just because the trait is "fixed" in one area does not mean africans did not have those genes.

No you're saying outlandish things like blonde hair/pale skin is of African origins when its not. I keep telling you Africans NEVER had a genetic code for blue eyes/blonde hair, if that was the case then there wouldn't have never needed to be a mutation(SNP genetic event) for Blue eyes/Blonde hair.
 

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Weather and climate does not change your genetics. Genetics changes your genetics and skin color is determined by your genetics.
There is difference between your body adapting to cold/hot weather with maybe a tan or getting slightly lighter. You can't go from super brown to pale just because of cold weather.
Look up phenotype vs environment effect.
 

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No you're saying outlandish things like blonde hair/pale skin is of African origins when its not. I keep telling you Africans NEVER had a genetic code for blue eyes/blonde hair, if that was the case then there wouldn't have never needed to be a mutation(SNP genetic event) for Blue eyes/Blonde hair.

They found some bones in of a cave man in Spain. Given how close spain is to Africa

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"Experts were astonished to find the ancient hunter-gatherer, given the name La Brana 1, had a combination of African and European genes.

Results from an analysis of DNA taken from a tooth show he had dark – possibly black – hair and skin with deep blue eyes, the online edition of the journal Nature reports.



Study leader Professor Carles Lalueza-Fox, of the Institute of Evolutionary Biology in Barcelona, said: ‘The biggest surprise was to discover that this individual possessed African versions in the genes that determine the light pigmentation of the current Europeans."

'Even more surprising was to find that he possessed the genetic variations that produce blue eyes.
 
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No. Mutations happen irrespective of selective mating. Most mutations are useless.

"Environment play a huge factor in what genes do and do not express themselves. Environment determines what mutation stick in the gene pool."
Then I said Only by selective mating
Then you said no... how is it not when?
Selective mating is :

"Natural selection is the gradual process by which biological traits become either more or less common in a population as a function of the effect of inherited traits on the differential reproductive success of organisms interacting with their environment."

I've already said before that Mutations are spontaneous and have to do with genetics more so than environment.
 

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None of this matters. The Egyptians are black, there is scientific evidence, its in Africa, there are actual paintings and drawings of Egyptians that are black, the statues depict black people. All of this I can back up with links and references. Just because some white people went in and hit noses off of statues and there are fake drawings and paintings within mean nothing. The majority of evidence pin point that they were black no matter what propaganda is pulled out of thin air and broadcast across the globe its still a lie. :yeshrug:
 

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They found some bones in of a cave man in Spain. Given how close spain is to Africa

Quote from article

"Experts were astonished to find the ancient hunter-gatherer, given the name La Brana 1, had a combination of African and European genes.

Results from an analysis of DNA taken from a tooth show he had dark – possibly black – hair and skin with deep blue eyes, the online edition of the journal Nature reports.



Study leader Professor Carles Lalueza-Fox, of the Institute of Evolutionary Biology in Barcelona, said: ‘The biggest surprise was to discover that this individual possessed African versions in the genes that determine the light pigmentation of the current Europeans."

'Even more surprising was to find that he possessed the genetic variations that produce blue eyes.

What part of genetic mutation do you not understand? Did you skip 9th grade biology?
 

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What part of genetic mutation do you not understand? Did you skip 9th grade biology?
what are you talking about? My argument is that the mutation came out of africa first and they migrated to Europe.

"Although these populations died out thousands of years ago, their genes have left clues to the way they looked and lived,” said Dr Sturm. “We found that the genes present in this Mesolithic man were likely to result in dark skin and dark hair, but blue eyes. “This gene combination is unique and no longer exists in contemporary Europeans, suggesting that the spread of genes associated with a light eye colour may have occurred before the spread of genes for light skin"

The point is their finding tons of skeletons and bones in Europe that have African lineage and their saying that they had blue eyes. If they don't exist what make you think the ones that came out of Africa do?
 
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