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Lol fair enough, but we're all using european terms breh :patrice:That term refers to the people that populate the area so i dont see the big deal.

Where did i discredit africa as the foundation ? I already know egypt and nubia marks the starting point of civilisation breh. Im not doubting they were black.

But at the same time, im not gonna pretend the mesopatomians were african like that breh :yeshrug:Its possible, but thats not what i personally believe. Its subjective tho, so we agree to disagree:ehh:

Cacs talking about ancient civilizations....





"Who cares about facts? History is subjective! We're all humans! Theoretically, sumer might be the start of all civilization! Look at muh bible! Look at muh Semites currently occupying Israel in the middle east! See! Race is just a social construct! Besides, Africa is a mixed society! There are white south Africans you know!"
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No longer than North and East Africa. In fact, Semitic is just a subgroup of Afro Asiatic which is 100% African in origin and spoken all over the continent.

Do I think Semitic people like the Hyksos were Black? No. Do I think Semitic means Middle Eastern? no.

Yeah i believe the afro asiatic language is indigenous to africa, the fact that all but one of the sub groups is spoken in africa should tell us that. But i think the semitic group branched out thousands of years ago breh, like before predynastic egypt times.
 

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Cacs talking about ancient civilizations....





"Who cares about facts? History is subjective! We're all humans! Theoretically, sumer might be the start of all civilization! Look at muh bible! Look at muh Semites currently occupying Israel in the middle east! See! Race is just a social construct! Besides, Africa is a mixed society! There are white south Africans you know!"
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Yeah i believe the afro asiatic language is indigenous to africa, the fact that all but one of the sub groups is spoken in africa should tell us that. But i think the semitic group branched out thousands of years ago breh, like before predynastic egypt times.

It obviously branched out but its origin could very well lay in NA, the Horn or Africans in the Levant.
 

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Cacs talking about ancient civilizations....





"Who cares about facts? History is subjective! We're all humans! Theoretically, sumer might be the start of all civilization! Look at muh bible! Look at muh Semites currently occupying Israel in the middle east! See! Race is just a social construct! Besides, Africa is a mixed society! There are white south Africans you know!"
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:pachaha:you a funny nikka breh.

And white people didnt establish any of the ancient civilizations so im definitely not dikk riding them :ufdup:And i personally think that egypt came before mesopatomia, but its still inconclusive to everyone.

Egyptians were black but breh middle eastern people assimilated there during the dynastic era :manny: Disputing that is disputing documented evidence. It was still africans that founded it and mostly sustained it all the way till the persian/greco-roman era.
 

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:pachaha:you a funny nikka breh.

And white people didnt establish any of the ancient civilizations so im definitely not dikk riding them :ufdup:And i personally think that egypt came before mesopatomia, but its still inconclusive to everyone.

Egyptians were black but breh middle eastern people assimilated there during the dynastic era :manny: Disputing that is disputing documented evidence. It was still africans that founded it and mostly sustained it all the way till the persian/greco-roman era.

I feel you, but the bolded is the curve ball, okie doke, Jedi mind trick white folks use. They'll say some shyt like

"Oh Mesopotamia predates EGYPT(kemet)! It was first!"
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Without acknowledging the fact that Kush predates Kemet and the congo & south Africa predate all of them by thousands of years. And notice they'll give the entire Euphrates river for mesopotamia yet they act like the Nile valley always had the same foreigner draw boarders of Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia etc.

I hear a lot of cacs at my school say goofy shyt like that and nikkas just nod they head. Powerful hypnosis smh
 

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:pachaha:you a funny nikka breh.

And white people didnt establish any of the ancient civilizations so im definitely not dikk riding them :ufdup:And i personally think that egypt came before mesopatomia, but its still inconclusive to everyone.

Egyptians were black but breh middle eastern people assimilated there during the dynastic era :manny: Disputing that is disputing documented evidence. It was still africans that founded it and mostly sustained it all the way till the persian/greco-roman era.
can u please rank each civilization from best to worst? the most important ones
 

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can u please rank each civilization from best to worst? the most important ones

Lol there have been a lot of historical civilisations Breh :skip:

But if we're talking impact, the ones that spring to mind:

Egypt
Mali
Nubia
Mesopatomia
Ancient China
Ancient Rome

Why u ask ? :patrice:
 

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Yeah i believe the afro asiatic language is indigenous to africa, the fact that all but one of the sub groups is spoken in africa should tell us that. But i think the semitic group branched out thousands of years ago breh, like before predynastic egypt times.

It obviously branched out but its origin could very well lay in NA, the Horn or Africans in the Levant.

A Conversation with Christopher Ehret
Christopher Ehret, UCLA
Interviewed by WHC Co-editor Tom Laichas


You will see was not an either or aether proposition that they were Africans or non African..Blacks for with the spread of the Afrisan languages into the"Middle East" roughly the same time as the Natufians. bringing with them their god concept and over-laying it with what ever was there before.

WHC: You describe two other groups. One of them is the Afrasans. Can you talk about them for a moment?

Ehret: These are people who have been called Afro-Asiatic and also Afrasian. I'm saying "Afrasan" because I'm trying to get "Asia" out. There is still this idea that the Afro-Asiatic family had to come out of Asia. Once you realize that it's an African family with one little Asian offshoot, well, that itself is a very important lesson for world historians.

We actually have DNA evidence which fits very well with an intrusion of people from northwestern African into southwestern Asia. The Y-chromosome markers, associated with the male, fade out as you go deeper into the Middle East.

Another thing about the Afrasans: their religious beliefs. Anciently, each local group had its own supreme deity. This is called "henotheism." In this kind of religion, you have your own god to whom you show your allegiance. But you realize that other groups have their own deities. The fact that they have deities different from yours doesn't mean their deities don't exist.

This kind of belief still exists. It's fading, maybe on its last legs, in southeastern Ethiopia, among people of the Omati group. They descend from the earliest split in the Semitic family. Way up in the mountains, they have this henotheism. They have a deity of their clan, or their small group of closely related clans. They have their priest-chief who has to see to the rites of that deity.

We see the same kind of thing in ancient Egypt. If we go to there, we discover that the Egyptian gods began as local gods. With Egyptian unification, we move from this henotheism to polytheism. To unify Egypt, after all, you have to co-opt the loyalty of local groups and recognize their gods. We have no direct evidence, but it's certainly implied by the things we learn about the gods in the written records we do have.

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WHC: You seem to be suggesting that the Semitic monotheism Jewish, Christian and Islamic monotheism descends from African models. Is that fair?

Ehret: Yeah, actually it is. Look at the first commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." It's not like the Muslim creed, which is "There is no God but God." It's doesn't say "there is no god but Yahweh, and Moses is his prophet." It is an admittance that there are other gods. It is an example of henotheism. And the Hebrew tribes are like the Omati clan groups. The tribes are clans writ larger. Like the Omati clans, they track their ancestry back ten or fifteen generations to a common ancestor. And these common ancestors were twelve brothers. (Actually, there are thirteen. They have to turn two of them, Ephraim and Manasseh, into half tribes, because thirteen wasn't a good number. I always loved that. There are really thirteen tribes, but you have to combine two of them).

The Canaanite cities have an alternative Semitic structure: polytheism. There's Astarte and Baal and the various gods that you'll find in South Arabia. So it looks like in the early Semitic world, you have two coexisting religions. You have polytheism among the ones who are really more urbanized. Then you have henotheistic groups.

What I see here is that earlier Middle Eastern polytheism is influencing Semitic religion. After all, the early Semites were just a few Africans arriving to find a lot of other people already in the area. So they're going to have to accommodate. Some groups, maybe ones who live in peripheries, in areas with lower population densities, may be able to impose the henotheistic religion they arrived with.

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WHC: How does a small group of Semites coming in from Africa transform the language of a region in which they are a minority?

Ehret: One of the archaeological possibilities is a group called the Mushabaeans. This group moves in on another group that's Middle Eastern. Out of this, you get the Natufian people. Now, we can see in the archaeology that people were using wild grains the Middle East very early, back into the late glacial age, about 18,000 years ago. But they were just using these seeds as they were. At the same time, in this northeastern corner of Africa, another people the Mushabaeans? are using grindstones along the Nile, grinding the tubers of sedges. Somewhere along the way, they began to grind grain as well. Now, it's in the Mushabian period that grindstones come into the Middle East.

Conceivably, with a fuller utilization of grains, they're making bread. We can reconstruct a word for "flatbread," like Ethiopian injira. This is before proto-Semitic divided into Ethiopian and ancient Egyptian languages. So, maybe, the grindstone increases how fully you use the land. This is the kind of thing we need to see more evidence for. We need to get people arguing about this.

And by the way: we can reconstruct the word for "grindstone" back to the earliest stage of Afrasan. Even the Omati have it. And there are a lot of common words for using grasses and seeds.

Whole Interview here World History Connected | Vol. 2 No. 1 | Christopher Ehret: "Christopher Ehret"
 

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Lol there have been a lot of historical civilisations Breh :skip:

But if we're talking impact, the ones that spring to mind:

Egypt
Mali
Nubia
Mesopatomia
Ancient China
Ancient Rome

Why u ask ? :patrice:
Just wondering lol, Mesopotamia definitely my favorite tho
 
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