Fultz is truly a perfect fit for Boston. He is ready made 6th man with potential to be a budding superstar.
Lonzo Ball: "Im Better Than Markelle Fultz"
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not going off the media, going off what i've seen....i didnt say fultz couldnt pass nor that he was selfish, but he is a score first pg...nothing wrong with that, the game has changed....
ball hasnt shown he's limited, just shown he doesnt look to go get it on his own, even if he has to...it's similar to how jason kidd played at cal...only difference: kidd showed he would go get it on his own if he had to.....but kidd showed that more his 2nd year at cal, and ball isnt gonna have a 2nd year at ucla....their 1st years were very similar...
He's an elite scorer, who was surrounded by trash talent, that doesn't mean he's "score first"... he is a very capable and willing passer. In the NBA at his peak he will average 7-9 APG.
He's not like Jason Kidd AT ALL, stop it. Kidd is one of the best defensive PG's ever and Ball is garbage defensively. Kidd was elite in the PNR, Ball isn't. Kidd could get to the basket and get to the FT line at will, Ball can't or hasnt shown he can yet.
Dudes stay trying to hype up Lonzo's "intangibles" and ignore the fact that he's not a good finisher, has no mid-range game, can't shoot going right, doesn't have a great handle, not good at running the PNR, can't defend anyone.
How is that a top 3 pick? How is that an elite player?
dont know about what he'll do in the future, going off what he did now....we'll see..
you comparing him to kidd's whole career, and i'm not...i specifically said kidd at cal...how they played in their first year was very similar....even the negatives you saying against ball are similar to what they said about kidd in his first year....that's why in his second year he started showing more of that 'go get it on his own' mentality......now, that's not saying he will go on to become an all time great like kidd, just that their first 1 in college was similar....
as for what's elite or top pick worthy, no one knows...all that shyt is based off potential and what you think a player will become...and very few of them are for sure deals.....
Kidd was already an elite defender in college, he could get to the basket at will but he wasn't a great finisher yet. Really his only major weakness at that point in time was shooting. He had already shown he could do everything else and he didn't have nearly as many question marks as Ball does. Really the only reason anyone makes the comparison is they're both half breeds and both good passers, but they are DIFFERENT passers. Kidd could truly break down a defense and create offense for others. Ball's best passing is from the standstill position, he doesn't or can't or hasn't shown yet that he can break down a defense. So really, there's no similarity between the two at all.
This is not true. Ball is good defensively and has terrific team defensive instincts. Almost always makes the proper rotations. Ball can also get to the rim and can finish well; I don't know where this talk that he can't came from.
People keep talking about this mid-range stuff like teams aren't drifting away from that style of play.
UCLA went from 15-17 to 31-5 with Ball; Washington went from 19-15 to 9-22 with Fultz.
This is not true. Ball is good defensively and has terrific team defensive instincts. Almost always makes the proper rotations. Ball can also get to the rim and can finish well; I don't know where this talk that he can't came from.
People keep talking about this mid-range stuff like teams aren't drifting away from that style of play.
UCLA went from 15-17 to 31-5 with Ball; Washington went from 19-15 to 9-22 with Fultz.
Ball doesn't go right breh, and he doesn't really get to the rim that well. More than half his shots were threes and he generally never attacked if the defense was in the paint, dude went to the line 2.7 times per game, vs Fultz getting there 6.7 times.
He didn't run much PnR either, he's a great prospect offensively Fultz is a lot more complete and in a half court game Fultz should be better short term and long term.
??? You got me confused. When did I say I used numbers to project college players?
I only look at skills and potential based on the player's athletic profile.
I said before that draft that I thought Zach LaVine had as high a ceiling as Andrew Wiggins. And he's proven that to be true.
So why do u like Kobe
Cj would go #1 in this draft
Are you seriously trying to compare Kobe to Dame Lillard or CJ McCollum?
kill yourself.
you just said a lot about kidd that wasnt true about him his 1st year at cal....and you just said a lot about ball that isnt true....he's shown he can do the things you just said he cant do....whether you want to admit it or not, kidd and ball had very similar 1st years in college....
My opinion is he played to his team's strengths. Dropped the ball in the post a lot and attacked when he had to; generally didn't hold onto the ball long either. They had the second highest scoring team in the country.
I'm still not sold on Fultz having the same impact on a team as Ball and I know I'm in the minority with this feeling.
My opinion is he played to his team's strengths. Dropped the ball in the post a lot and attacked when he had to. They had the second highest scoring team in the country.
I'm still not sold on Fultz having the same impact on a team as Ball and I know I'm in the minority with this feeling.
He played to his team's strengths but there were glaring weaknesses like his inability to shoot going to his right, that is something teams will sit on by the 2nd or 3rd week of the season. And he had a lot of trouble getting around athletic defenders.
Meanwhile, Fultz was scoring with relative ease with two bigs clogging up the lane, I think Fultz is a better passer than he showed, and with the right team he'll hit the ground running.
This is not true. Ball is good defensively and has terrific team defensive instincts. Almost always makes the proper rotations. Ball can also get to the rim and can finish well; I don't know where this talk that he can't came from.
People keep talking about this mid-range stuff like teams aren't drifting away from that style of play.
UCLA went from 15-17 to 31-5 with Ball; Washington went from 19-15 to 9-22 with Fultz.
Bro you just be throwin ANY random bullshyt out there huh, hoping if you put it out there in the world that maybe it will come true?
To say Ball can get to the rim and finish well is laughable. To say he's good defensively is just embarrassing. Really nothing else to say here. Watch him, or look at his numbers, dude doesn't get to the basket. More than half his shots are 3's, and more than half his buckets inside the paint are assisted.
Mid-range game will be needed because he's not gonna get the space to get his jumper off that he got in college. Can you even find me one video of him scoring off a PnR? I'm sure ONE must exist somewhere. He's trash in the PnR. He needs to be able to come off a pick and explode to the basket, or pull up for a jumper. I haven't seen him do either very often.
As far as your last point, act like UCLA didn't bring back basically their entire team from last year, not to mention another 5-star in TJ Leaf. Meanwhile Washington lost their top 3 players including two first round picks. But I'm sure that had nothing to do with the records
