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Fultz is a better prospect than Ball. And thats taking nothing away from Ball. Ive just seen Fultz do more. I do think Ball can be special but I cant ignore the holes he has in his game in comparison to fultz
Lonzo Ball: "Im Better Than Markelle Fultz"
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Ball usage rate isn't high.
Ball got to the lane at will and finished at a higher clip than anyone in the nation.
Ball plays Morey ball. 3 or at the basket. Hardly any mid range shots.
Ball didn't really have much usage, UCLA system was based off of ball movement, not PnR which Ball should be fine due to his ability and skill set in general.
I like Fultz but I like Ball just a tad more. Both can he stars and maybe superstars
The data and film says your full of shytBro you just be throwin ANY random bullshyt out there huh, hoping if you put it out there in the world that maybe it will come true?
To say Ball can get to the rim and finish well is laughable. To say he's good defensively is just embarrassing. Really nothing else to say here. Watch him, or look at his numbers, dude doesn't get to the basket. More than half his shots are 3's, and more than half his buckets inside the paint are assisted.
Mid-range game will be needed because he's not gonna get the space to get his jumper off that he got in college. Can you even find me one video of him scoring off a PnR? I'm sure ONE must exist somewhere. He's trash in the PnR. He needs to be able to come off a pick and explode to the basket, or pull up for a jumper. I haven't seen him do either very often.
As far as your last point, act like UCLA didn't bring back basically their entire team from last year, not to mention another 5-star in TJ Leaf. Meanwhile Washington lost their top 3 players including two first round picks. But I'm sure that had nothing to do with the records
Bro you just be throwin ANY random bullshyt out there huh, hoping if you put it out there in the world that maybe it will come true?
To say Ball can get to the rim and finish well is laughable. To say he's good defensively is just embarrassing. Really nothing else to say here. Watch him, or look at his numbers, dude doesn't get to the basket. More than half his shots are 3's, and more than half his buckets inside the paint are assisted.
Mid-range game will be needed because he's not gonna get the space to get his jumper off that he got in college. Can you even find me one video of him scoring off a PnR? I'm sure ONE must exist somewhere. He's trash in the PnR. He needs to be able to come off a pick and explode to the basket, or pull up for a jumper. I haven't seen him do either very often.
As far as your last point, act like UCLA didn't bring back basically their entire team from last year, not to mention another 5-star in TJ Leaf. Meanwhile Washington lost their top 3 players including two first round picks. But I'm sure that had nothing to do with the records
Even D'Angelo Russell took a scrub team to the Tourney.
Ball has his faults, but he has plenty of strengths too and his "intangibles" are one of them. I think he'll have an immediate effect on whoever drafts him. Ball will definitely have to work on his pick and roll game, but he has Jason Kidd written all over him.
We're not gonna act like he's D'Angelo Russell defensively. You're also not gonna act like Fultz is some lock down defender himself. Ball has good instincts on defense and he should be more than capable on that end of the court.
Fultz took (and made) more difficult shots in college and I don't know how well that will translate to the pros, especially with his slow release.
Even D'Angelo Russell took a scrub team to the Tourney.
Ball has his faults, but he has plenty of strengths too and his "intangibles" are one of them. I think he'll have an immediate effect on whoever drafts him. Ball will definitely have to work on his pick and roll game, but he has Jason Kidd written all over him.
We're not gonna act like he's D'Angelo Russell defensively. You're also not gonna act like Fultz is some lock down defender himself. Ball has good instincts on defense and he should be more than capable on that end of the court.
Fultz took (and made) more difficult shots in college and I don't know how well that will translate to the pros, especially with his slow release.
Don't base NBA potential on who gets to the tourney, Washington couldn't get there last year with Murray and Chriss, you gonna tell me Marquese Chriss doesn't have the highest ceiling of all the PFs taken in his draft? Romar was a terrible coach, he had two NBA talents on his team last year and went nowhere? This year they only had Fultz as an NBA player, we're not talking about seasoned pros, we're talking about dudes 1 year removed from HS.
It's not a be all end all, but college is a guard's game. Even with Romar's bum ass as coach, I think they shoulda been around .500 with him. I like Chriss...
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Breh, they were 18-14 before the NIT with two NBA players on their team last year
This year they were 9-22 with 1 NBA player on the team, that seems about right for Romar.
Even D'Angelo Russell took a scrub team to the Tourney.
Ball has his faults, but he has plenty of strengths too and his "intangibles" are one of them. I think he'll have an immediate effect on whoever drafts him. Ball will definitely have to work on his pick and roll game, but he has Jason Kidd written all over him.
We're not gonna act like he's D'Angelo Russell defensively. You're also not gonna act like Fultz is some lock down defender himself. Ball has good instincts on defense and he should be more than capable on that end of the court.
Fultz took (and made) more difficult shots in college and I don't know how well that will translate to the pros, especially with his slow release.
Jason Kidd written all over him except he can't do several of the things that made Kidd so great (playing elite defense, breaking down a defense and creating offense for others).
Lonzo is D'Angelo level defensively for sure. He's a better athlete but that's about it, his on ball D is atrocious. The only thing he can do half-decently well is play the passing lanes from time to time, but so does Russell. Ball trying to defend the PnR is embarrassingly bad.
"Intangibles" are an easy way to brush aside all the important stuff he can't do.. sounds like when a cac football player who can't run fast or jump high gets drafted... "well he's got a high motor and intangibles"
Breh, they were 18-14 before the NIT with two NBA players on their team last year
This year they were 9-22 with 1 NBA player on the team, that seems about right for Romar.
Thad Matta's not a good coach either and Russell played with trash talent at OSU. It might mean nothing in the long run, but it's a minor red flag to me.
Jason Kidd written all over him except he can't do several of the things that made Kidd so great (playing defense, breaking down a defense).
Lonzo is D'Angelo level defensively for sure. He's a better athlete but that's about it, his on ball D is atrocious. The only thing he can do half-decently well is play the passing lanes from time to time, but so does Russell. Ball trying to defend the PnR is embarrassingly bad.
"Intangibles" are an easy way to brush aside all the important stuff he can't do.. sounds like when a cac football player who can't run fast or jump high gets drafted... "well he's got a high motor and intangibles"
Ason couldn't shoot for years and Ball already can. Ball is better on defense than Fultz too. Fultz has holes and is only 19, but you seem to be shrugging them off.
Fultz defense wasn't good. His tools is way he's rated defensivelyEven D'Angelo Russell took a scrub team to the Tourney.
Ball has his faults, but he has plenty of strengths too and his "intangibles" are one of them. I think he'll have an immediate effect on whoever drafts him. Ball will definitely have to work on his pick and roll game, but he has Jason Kidd written all over him.
We're not gonna act like he's D'Angelo Russell defensively. You're also not gonna act like Fultz is some lock down defender himself. Ball has good instincts on defense and he should be more than capable on that end of the court.
Fultz took (and made) more difficult shots in college and I don't know how well that will translate to the pros, especially with his slow release.
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Markelle is a solid athlete very shifty, I don't think he's like a "young Westbrook" like somebody said on here. I've seen him play and he's no Westbrook/Rose/Wall. I don't think he's as athletic as Dennis Smith either. To me he just gets too soft around the rim sometimes I can't tell whether he's just being smooth or whether he can really get up and finish strong or use hang time to contort his body among the trees. Also, saw times he beat his man and instead of taking it in he'd settle for pull-ups.
Also, the free throw line dunk has been done to death. I think more than a handful of guys can pull it off in practice honestly. I didn't see a ton of him mostly footage and 2-3 games so let's wait till the combine to see how they compare as athletes.
I personally like Lonzo more in the open floor as an athlete from what I've seen. I've seen him do some impressive things like catching alleys and coast-to-coast dunks.
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I AM WARHOL
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Did someone say Lonzo can't finish around the rim? Wtf