Libertarians - The Great White Hope

[DEAD7]

That's just laughable seeing that slavery was a result of a very profitable trade. Jim Crow was also profitable in that it created a permanent underclass that could serve as cheap labor. But yeah, maybe instead of a century after the Civil War, the free market needed just a little more time.

Put ideology before self preservation brehs.

Slavery was dying out globally, with those nations still practicing it being cut off economically. Do some research.

 

[DEAD7]

So you'd be more comfortable if we were just left to the devices of local legislatures to do with their population what they felt like doing.

Within the law. Yes.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Within the law. Yes.

The laws after the governments civil rights legislation?

Or just whatever state rights existed prior to government intervention?

 

[Robbie3000]

Slavery was dying out globally, with those nations still practicing it being cut off economically. Do some research.

That was a result of a minority of the people objecting to the practice on morality and religious basis, not because the practice proved any less economically viable. So that goes against your profit argument.

Secondly, how long exactly should your ancestors have waited for slavery to end in the South without federal intervention?

 

[NZA]

HL is full of race baiters, every issue is gauged on where it falls along racial lines rather than its actual validity.

Based solely off of the threads on the first two pages of this board, its inconceivable that an anti establishment position can be denounced the way it is.
Its really a triumph of govt. propaganda.


@Mr. Somebody Those were instances of govt. fixing govt. I can't believe you are giving govt. credit for catching its endless string of f*ck ups.

i love how this guy thinks race is not of actual validity

 

[superunknown23]

Slavery was dying out globally

Is this guy for real? This is the kind of shyt you see on freerepublic or st0rmfr0nt. I bet he also believes that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. Discarding or minimizing slavery's effects is typical white conservative shyt (that includes racism too).
My guess is he's just another white boy pretending to be black on a hip hop forum. There's a lot of that shyt around.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

The early 1900's were ripe with corruption in business, politics and had harsh working conditions because of libertarianism and guess who had to intervene on behalf of the people.

The government.

That was the beginning of politicians being consistently buyable.

 

[DEAD7]

That's just laughable seeing that slavery was a result of a very profitable trade. Jim Crow was also profitable in that it created a permanent underclass that could serve as cheap labor. But yeah, maybe instead of a century after the Civil War, the free market needed just a little more time.

Put ideology before self preservation brehs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

One of the first protests against the enslavement of Africans came from German and Dutch Quakers in Pennsylvania in 1688. One of the most significant milestones in the campaign to abolish slavery throughout the world occurred in England in 1772, with British judge Lord Mansfield, whose opinion in Somersett's Case was widely taken to have held that slavery was illegal in England. This judgement also laid down the principle that slavery contracted in other jurisdictions (such as the American colonies) could not be enforced in England.[213] In 1777, Vermont became the first portion of what would become the United States to abolish slavery (at the time Vermont was an independent nation). In 1794, under the Jacobins, Revolutionary Franceabolished slavery.[214] There were celebrations in 2007 to commemorate the 200th anniversary of the Abolition of the slave trade in the United Kingdom through the work of the British Anti-Slavery Society.


Joseph Jenkins Roberts, born in Virginia, was the first president of Liberia, which was founded in 1822 for freed American slaves.
William Wilberforce received much of the credit although the groundwork was an anti-slavery essay by Thomas Clarkson. Wilberforce was also urged by his close friend, Prime Minister William Pitt the Younger, to make the issue his own, and was also given support by reformed EvangelicalJohn Newton. The Slave Trade Act was passed by the British Parliament on March 25, 1807, making the slave trade illegal throughout the British Empire,[215] Wilberforce also campaigned for abolition of slavery in the British Empire, which he lived to see in the Slavery Abolition Act 1833. After the 1807 act abolishing the slave trade was passed, these campaigners switched to encouraging other countries to follow suit, notably France and the British colonies. In 1839, the world's oldest international human rights organization, Anti-Slavery International, was formed in Britain by Joseph Sturge, which campaigned to outlaw slavery in other countries.[216]

Between 1808 and 1860, the British West Africa Squadron seized approximately 1,600 slave ships and freed 150,000 Africans who were aboard.[217] Action was also taken against African leaders who refused to agree to British treaties to outlaw the trade, for example against "the usurping King of Lagos", deposed in 1851. Anti-slavery treaties were signed with over 50 African rulers.[218]

In the United States, abolitionist pressure produced a series of small steps towards emancipation. After January 1, 1808, the importation of slaves into the United States was prohibited.

Slavery was being stamped out long before the war.
Despite being profitable, it was becoming looked down upon, and was going to end sooner or later.
Contending this point is silly. Stop.

 

[Robbie3000]

Is this guy for real? This is the kind of shyt you see on freerepublic or st0rmfr0nt. I bet he also believes that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. Discarding or minimizing slavery's effects is typical white conservative shyt (that includes racism too).
My guess is he's just another white boy pretending to be black on a hip hop forum. There's a lot of that shyt around.

What's sad is that he is black. He was on the latest podcast I believe. He has been thoroughly brainwashed to the point where he puts his ideology over common sense regard for self preservation.

 

[DEAD7]

The early 1900's were ripe with corruption and harsh working conditions because of libertarianism and guess who had to intervene on behalf of the people.

The government.

No they were harsh because they were the 1900's Are you for real.

Riddle me this why are conditions still so bad in across the world despite govt's is every nation? Did govt. intervene in the soviet union and save them?

 

[Mr. Somebody]

No they were harsh because they were the 1900's Are you for real.

Riddle me this why are conditions still so bad in across the world despite govt's is every nation? Did govt. intervene in the soviet union and save them?

You tell me? I think every government has a different story.

 

[DEAD7]

What's sad is that he is black. He was on the latest podcast I believe. He has been thoroughly brainwashed to the point where he puts his ideology over common sense regard for self preservation.

I provided evidence to support my position, and you resorted to personal attacks... I guess that means we are done here.

 

[Robbie3000]

I provided evidence to support my position, and you resorted to personal attacks... I guess that means we are done here.

What evidence? I agreed that slavery was becoming a moral issue to many people, but it was still profitable and the states that depended heavily on free labor defended the practice. The abolition movement was 200 years old when the federal government decided to intervene to end slavery in the south.

And yeah, you are stupid if you advocate an ideology that would have been fine with letting your ancestors rot in slavery until sometime in the future when the free market would have ended slavery. It's a stupid stance to take when we are discussing actual people and events and not some abstract reality.

 

[DEAD7]

You tell me? I think every government has a different story.

Every govt. has the same story. Tyranny.

If you take a step back the Constitution and Bill of Rights are leashes on govt. Its what set us apart from the rest of the world, and made our forefathers* so remarkable. The recognized the nature of govt. and sought to control its growth.

"Congress shall make no law" it starts Right there you can feel the tone and direction.
"we the people" have dropped the ball though and here we are

 

[DEAD7]

What evidence? I agreed that slavery was becoming a moral issue to many people, but it was still profitable and the states that depended heavily on free labor defended the practice. The abolition movement was 200 years old when the federal government decided to intervene to end slavery in the south.

And yeah, you are stupid if you advocate an ideology that would have been fine with letting your ancestors rot in slavery until sometime in the future when the free market would have ended slavery. It's a stupid stance to take when we are discussing actual people and events and not some abstract reality.

I said whichever course resulted in the lowest cost to human life.





Now underneath your response is the sentiment that black lives are worth more than white lies(you dont have to confirm/deny it), and the black man in me agrees, but I cant take a position like that for moral reasons.