Libertarians - The Great White Hope

[Robbie3000]

It was a learning process coming off of half a millenium viewing another group of people as inferior . Where would you be right now, if they just let every state do as they wanted and never intervened in anything? There is no point in having a government, if it isnt strong. I mean really, i think you need to really think about that.

I'm sure @DEAD7 wouldn't have had a problem waiting another 150 for white people to stop acting crazy and the hand of the free market to solve racial inequality.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

@DEAD7 What form of libertarianism do you support?

The kind with no minimum wage and junior high kids working in coal mines (if they want of course)

 

[DEAD7]

I'm sure @DEAD7 wouldn't have had a problem waiting another 150 for white people to stop acting crazy and the hand of the free market to solve racial inequality.

Whichever
incurred the lower cost. In this particular case, the cost was human lives.

So whichever would have been lowest, is what I would have preferred.

Insane huh?

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Whichever
incurred the lower cost. In this particular case, the cost was human lives.

So whichever would have been lowest, is what I would have preferred.

Insane huh?

Ok so which one is that? Do you have this really fleshed out in your mind yet because the libertarian community is greatly at odds with one another ideologically.

Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free")[1] is a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end.[2][3] This includes emphasis on the primacy of individual liberty,[4][5]political freedom, and voluntary association. It is an antonym of authoritarianism.[6] Although many libertarians share a skepticism of governmental authority, they diverge on the extent and character of their opposition. Certain schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views on how far the powers of government should be limited and others contend the state should not exist at all. Whileminarchists propose a state limited in scope to preventing aggression, theft, breach of contract and fraud, anarchists advocate its complete elimination as a political system.[7][8][9][10][11][12] While some libertarians are supportive of laissez-faire capitalism and private property rights, such as in land and natural resources, others oppose capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, instead advocating their common or cooperative ownership and management (see libertarian socialism).[13][14][15]

In the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, libertarianism is defined as the moral view that agents initially fully own themselves and have certain moral powers to acquire property rights in external things.[16] Libertarian philosopher Roderick Long defines libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives.[17] In the United States, the term libertarianism is often used as a synonym for combinedeconomic and cultural liberalism while outside that country there is a strong tendency to associate libertarianism with anarchism.

Operating under this framework, where do you fit in, friend

 

[DEAD7]

It was a learning process coming off of half a millenium viewing another group of people as inferior . Where would you be right now, if they just let every state do as they wanted and never intervened in anything? There is no point in having a government, if it isnt strong. I mean really, i think you need to really think about that.

The inferiority was legitimized and enforced by the govt.

You are crediting the tool, when its the people who made it happen. Govt. is as evil as it is good.

@DEAD7 What form of libertarianism do you support?

I'm a minarchist.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

The inferiority was legitimized and enforced by the govt.

You are crediting the tool, when its the people who made it happen. Govt. is as evil as it is good.


I'm a minarchist.

So in the abolishment of slavery and the integration of latinos/black into american institutions, the government had a very minimal effect and would have been better left to the devices of the citizens who did not want institutional integration, friend? Really?

 

[DEAD7]

It never ceases to amaze me how little the descendants of slaves regard freedom and liberty.

 

[DEAD7]

So in the abolishment of slavery and the integration of latinos/black into american institutions, the government had a very minimal effect and would have been better left to the devices of the citizens who did not want institutional integration, friend? Really?

integration is tricky, i'm not completely sold on it being a good thing at all. But I havent thought it through enough to say for sure...

 

[DEAD7]

Either way, the pursuit of wealth would have tore down racial barriers.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

I'm a minarchist.

is a political philosophy. It is variously defined by sources. In the strictest sense, it holds that states ought to exist (as opposed to anarchy), that their only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and that the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts. In the broadest sense, it also includes fire departments, prisons, the executive, and legislatures as legitimate government functions.[1][2][3] Such states are generally called night-watchman states.

Minarchists argue that the state has no authority to use its monopoly of force to interfere with free transactions between people, and see the state's sole responsibility as ensuring that contracts between private individuals and property are protected, through a system of law courts and enforcement. Minarchists generally believe a laissez-faire approach to the economy is most likely to lead to economic prosperity.

So do you believe in Taxes?

 

[Mr. Somebody]

integration is tricky, i'm not completely sold on it being a good thing at all. But I havent thought it through enough to say for sure...

So the government should only be caucasian. Im talking about institutions that run the nation like the police/military/legislature, not institutions that like, Walmart which is a company.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Either way, the pursuit of wealth would have tore down racial barriers.

in the 1950s 60 percent of Caucasians were middle class and the government had to intervene with enforced legislation to get states to play fair and they barely did that. You think that would have occurred without that mediator, out of the kindness of the hearts of the people?

 

[DEAD7]

So the government should only be caucasian. Im talking about institutions that run the nation like the police/military/legislature, not institutions that like, Walmart which is a company.

It shouldnt be forced to be anything

I know niqqas are gonna feel some kind of way, but I think govt. forcing minorities down white Americas throat has done more harm than good.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

It shouldnt be forced to be anything

I know niqqas are gonna feel some kind of way, but I think govt. forcing minorities down white Americas throat has done more harm than good.

So you'd be more comfortable if we were just left to the devices of local legislatures to do with their population what they felt like doing.

 

[Robbie3000]

Either way, the pursuit of wealth would have tore down racial barriers.

That's just laughable seeing that slavery was a result of a very profitable trade. Jim Crow was also profitable in that it created a permanent underclass that could serve as cheap labor. But yeah, maybe instead of a century after the Civil War, the free market needed just a little more time.

Put ideology before self preservation brehs.