Lets Talk Jiu Jitsu

[Canon]

Master Lloyd Irvin?
He got a sketchy past man

birthed your favorite grapplers tho

show master lloyd some respect

 

[USSInsiders]

I've been watching a lot of 10th planet stuff lately. Too bad I got short legs and shyt flexibility cause otherwise I would be keen to jump on the hype train.

 

[Mowgli]

The fundamentals will stick with you the longest over the acrobatic flashy shyt.
I model my game like im getting the shyt kicked out of me or like i ambushed someone with a takedown and want them OUTTA THERE

Sweeps if im on bottom, In particular open guard butterfly sweeps my favorite being wrist control from open guard with one butterfly hook in, push wrist to body, and elevator sweep them over

Love mount because i can ground n pound if no submissions are happening *theoretically*

Knee on belly because its so on opponents.

In the beginning, escapes and defense. Earn the top position as much as possible. Start from side control. Start from your back taken. Start mounted. Start with the aggressor attacking your open guard. Earn full guard. Earn the sweep. I enjoy earning everything because sometimes when you get to comfortable beasting on people and you get put in a bad spot, you can panic or use more energy then you otherwise would not have if you had been more comfortable in bad positions. When you earn your positions you'll naturally develop your top game or submission guard game and eventually you can be comfortable transitioning from top positions to bottom for finishes.

A good defense/escape game can wear down a better opponent and turn the tables.

 

[Pool_Shark]

Whose watching EBI 9 today? I think tonight will be a great test for the DDS. It will show if sky's the limit with that leg lock style.


Thanks to @Mowgli and @TheDarceKnight. Right now I can use any advice. When I'm in class I'm just trying to survive but at the same time be some kind of a challenge cause when you're a noob most people don't even want to give you the time of day so you have to have some kind of toughness as a qualifier. I'm hooked though, just trying to learn as much as I can right now and let nature take its course.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Whose watching EBI 9 today? I think tonight will be a great test for the DDS. It will show if sky's the limit with that leg lock style.


Thanks to @Mowgli and @TheDarceKnight. Right now I can use any advice. When I'm in class I'm just trying to survive but at the same time be some kind of a challenge cause when you're a noob most people don't even want to give you the time of day so you have to have some kind of toughness as a qualifier. I'm hooked though, just trying to learn as much as I can right now and let nature take its course.

I'll be watching EBI 9. I would like to see a Garry/Vinny rematch, and I'm just going to call it as the finals. Daniel Strauss is my sleeper pick. I don't see Vinny or Garry getting tapped in regulation, and of they lose on the way to the finals I think it would be during OT.

I know you're a little newer to the sport, so in case you didn't know, for what it's worth, there are always some trendy moves/styles that come around every couple of years. A few people that are ahead of the curve really kill with it---x guard, deep half guard, darce chokes, high elbow guillotines in the mid-late 00's, berimbolos and kiss of the dragons in the early 2010's, and now you're seeing it with the advanced leg lock games. What tends to happen is that everyone ends up absorbing the knowledge, and the techniques are still effective, but you do start to see less of a small group of people embarrassing everyone else with it. I think right now we're at the peak of this leg lock style, and others are starting to pick it up as well.

If you watch Garry Tonon or Eddie Cummings against a rock solid, elite competitor, you'll see that it doesn't work as well for them. So Lucas Lepri was able to shut down Tonon, and Tanquinho was able to shut down Cummings (although their match was closer), but I still love heel hooks, and in these submission only events I do think they'll continue to be popular. Another big reason why is that in points, when you start to pass someone's guard, they will turn in or turn away so they don't get scored on. This opens up guillotines, darces, rear naked chokes, far side armbars and kimuras, etc, for the top player. Or when you take the back in points, they have to block the 2nd hook to prevent the points, and the neck is open to choke.

That's why you see less of the upper body subs at EBI unless you see people doing the rolling kimura (https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/dm...oads/chorus_asset/file/3680552/orchard1.0.gif) and rolling front headlock game (), because classically passing the guard in nogi is tough, and if you do, the bottom person has no incentive to turn in or turn away and your submission options decrease. So it saves energy to just dive on the legs.

Advice coming up next.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Part 2 (advice)

@Pool_Shark

I would really keep focusing on defense if I were you, and just make it more difficult for others to tap you out. As a brown belt, I really love rolling with new students that aren't easy for me to tap out. It makes my offense sharper, and for you, it really really gives you a great base for offense later. Garry Tonon and Bill Cooper (Tonon is at EBI tonight, so he's a great example)---if you had to ask me what makes those guys great at that wild scramble game where they attack from all angles and take risks by baiting things in order to get submissions, they got that way because of having rock solid defense. Cooper will stuff his head into a guillotine just to front flip through your guard, or let you take a single leg just to darce you as you take him down, or leave his back open so he can throw on a guillotine as you go to his back. Tonon will give up omoplatas so he can roll out and onto your legs, or bait a kimura so he can spin around your head and armbar you. Dillon Danis, Gordon Ryan, and Edwin Najmi are also good new guys to watch for this "risky" style, but if you asked me what Tonon's #1 skill is, I would say defense. Having such good defense gives you the balls and the ability to go for offense, because if you fukk up then you've got the confidence that you won't lose because of it.

Have you seen Bill Cooper's Escapes dvd? I have it digital and may try to get it to you. You are at a 10th Planet school, right? it's a nogi instructional, and of you can start turning your defense into escapes, that's the next step. And this dvd set is on escaping into submissions and strong positions of your own, so I'm thinking it may help you.

 

[Pool_Shark]

I'll be watching EBI 9. I would like to see a Garry/Vinny rematch, and I'm just going to call it as the finals. Daniel Strauss is my sleeper pick. I don't see Vinny or Garry getting tapped in regulation, and of they lose on the way to the finals I think it would be during OT.

I know you're a little newer to the sport, so in case you didn't know, for what it's worth, there are always some trendy moves/styles that come around every couple of years. A few people that are ahead of the curve really kill with it---x guard, deep half guard, darce chokes, high elbow guillotines in the mid-late 00's, berimbolos and kiss of the dragons in the early 2010's, and now you're seeing it with the advanced leg lock games. What tends to happen is that everyone ends up absorbing the knowledge, and the techniques are still effective, but you do start to see less of a small group of people embarrassing everyone else with it. I think right now we're at the peak of this leg lock style, and others are starting to pick it up as well.

If you watch Garry Tonon or Eddie Cummings against a rock solid, elite competitor, you'll see that it doesn't work as well for them. So Lucas Lepri was able to shut down Tonon, and Tanquinho was able to shut down Cummings (although their match was closer), but I still love heel hooks, and in these submission only events I do think they'll continue to be popular. Another big reason why is that in points, when you start to pass someone's guard, they will turn in or turn away so they don't get scored on. This opens up guillotines, darces, rear naked chokes, far side armbars and kimuras, etc, for the top player. Or when you take the back in points, they have to block the 2nd hook to prevent the points, and the neck is open to choke.

That's why you see less of the upper body subs at EBI unless you see people doing the rolling kimura (https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/dm...oads/chorus_asset/file/3680552/orchard1.0.gif) and rolling front headlock game (), because classically passing the guard in nogi is tough, and if you do, the bottom person has no incentive to turn in or turn away and your submission options decrease. So it saves energy to just dive on the legs.

Advice coming up next.

Yeah what you say makes lot of sense. I remember when I was 15-16 playing yugioh cards and it'd be a similar situation. Someone finds a hole in the current game, exposes it, the shifts everyone attention to it. From what I've heard it seems like leg locks weren't allowed or advantageous in point system and also weren't very useful in MMA so it wasn't something people really trained for. Now that it's blowing up, everyone is playing catch up and working o

Part 2 (advice)

@Pool_Shark

I would really keep focusing on defense if I were you, and just make it more difficult for others to tap you out. As a brown belt, I really love rolling with new students that aren't easy for me to tap out. It makes my offense sharper, and for you, it really really gives you a great base for offense later. Garry Tonon and Bill Cooper (Tonon is at EBI tonight, so he's a great example)---if you had to ask me what makes those guys great at that wild scramble game where they attack from all angles and take risks by baiting things in order to get submissions, they got that way because of having rock solid defense. Cooper will stuff his head into a guillotine just to front flip through your guard, or let you take a single leg just to darce you as you take him down, or leave his back open so he can throw on a guillotine as you go to his back. Tonon will give up omoplatas so he can roll out and onto your legs, or bait a kimura so he can spin around your head and armbar you. Dillon Danis, Gordon Ryan, and Edwin Najmi are also good new guys to watch for this "risky" style, but if you asked me what Tonon's #1 skill is, I would say defense. Having such good defense gives you the balls and the ability to go for offense, because if you fukk up then you've got the confidence that you won't lose because of it.

Have you seen Bill Cooper's Escapes dvd? I have it digital and may try to get it to you. You are at a 10th Planet school, right? it's a nogi instructional, and of you can start turning your defense into escapes, that's the next step. And this dvd set is on escaping into submissions and strong positions of your own, so I'm thinking it may help you.

ill try to find it online. Defense is hard for me to train cause most people I roll with want to start in the guard. I've found Ryan Halls Passing the Guard series online and so far it's been great. I like how he breaks things down. I'm a month in so for the most part I'm just . I just show up and I know over time I'll get better. I just can't stop being curious; it's a new thing and I just want more, lol. Whether its finding more forums to lurk, videos to watch, podcast to listen to, or websites to visit, I'm addicted.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Gary is on another level, he goes up and smokes bigger guys. EBI is now my favorite grappling competition. Too many people ducking the Danaher Death Squad

 

[Canon]

Gary is on another level, he goes up and smokes bigger guys. EBI is now my favorite grappling competition. Too many people ducking the Danaher Death Squad

them boys on another level

got the opportunity to spend a couple of days with Tonon and Ryan over the summer. showed me some great stuff that has stuck with me.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

them boys on another level

got the opportunity to spend a couple of days with Tonon and Ryan over the summer. showed me some great stuff that has stuck with me.

Very nice.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

them boys on another level

got the opportunity to spend a couple of days with Tonon and Ryan over the summer. showed me some great stuff that has stuck with me.

I've rolled with Ryan. Never Tonon. I heard he's a blast to roll with.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Handle bar stache, he must be a cool guy

 

[Canon]

1 hour of drilling and 2 straight hours of rolling no break tonight

when your seeing mistakes and capitalizing on them when your dead ass tired

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Good work

 

[DirtyMoney]

Was mugged last week by some nikkas, blindsided. GIU aint help. I think I'm gonna get into something to improve my standup but in that 5 on 1 situation its kinda hard to win