Lets Talk African History:"Sahel" West African Civilizations

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I said it BEFORE. Mande people are among the GOAT Africans that ever lived...

Fact.

FACTS.
That Gassire's tale got me thinking about life was like for them city-states.
It was almost like heroic age greece (less boy-band fukkry tho).

As promised I said I was going to cite good info from this book I just purchased for this thread. Anyways, here is one bit of info that I found very good that all should read.


Walker, Robin. Blacks and Science Volume Two: West and East African Contributions to Science and Technology AND Intellectual Life and Legacy of Timbuktu. London: CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform, 2013. Print.

West Africans were really an ingenious people...:wow: And we still see it today.:wow: If only black folk can tap into the scientific side of our ancestry more like we already did with our artistic side. :wow:


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Man, as the months go by, I find myself more and more impressed with the Sahel.
 

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Losttribe said:
Why do you say this?

The vast majority of us in America ain't from there and are quick claim Egypt rather than our own ancestry from West(ern) Africa......where we actually came from.

It's like we forgot that we came from Empires/civilizations that dwarfed ANYTHING in Europe in the Middle Ages.

FUKK EGYPT.​
 

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The vast majority of us in America ain't from there and are quick claim Egypt rather than our own ancestry from West(ern) Africa......where we actually came from.

It's like we forgot that we came from Empires/civilizations that dwarfed ANYTHING in Europe in the Middle Ages.

FUKK EGYPT.​

The current people in West Africa migrated all throughout the continent so certain groups being in egypt is not far fetched, if anything West Africa was their last stop. My only thing is there is enough history in West Africa where there is no need to dikkride egypt.
 

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CashmereEsquire said:
The current people in West Africa migrated all throughout the continent so certain groups being in egypt is not far fetched, if anything West Africa was their last stop. My only thing is there is enough history in West Africa where there is no need to dikkride egypt.

Breh, Western Africa was populated thousands of years BEFORE Egyptian civilization arose.

It wasn't their 'last stop'. They had migrated throughout the entire continent 70,000 years ago.

But, I agree, this constant Egyptian dikkriding is aggravating.

WE AIN'T FROM THERE.​
 

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Breh, Western Africa was populated thousands of years BEFORE Egyptian civilization arose.

It wasn't their 'last stop'. They had migrated throughout the entire continent 70,000 years ago.

But, I agree, this constant Egyptian dikkriding is aggravating.

WE AIN'T FROM THERE.​

1. The people who populated West Africa were NOT ancestral to modern West Africans but Twa. Modern West Africans are mostly recent to the area.

2. Stay on topic. Nothing about this thread is related to Egypt and nor was anyone dikkriding Egypt here.
 

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Diasporan Royalty said:
1. The people who populated West Africa were NOT ancestral to modern West Africans but Twa. Modern West Africans are mostly recent to the area.

I didn't say anything about modern and my point stands according to genetics and archaeology.
Diasporan Royalty said:
2. Stay on topic. Nothing about this thread is related to Egypt and nor was anyone dikkriding Egypt here.

Breh, I was RESPONDING to someone.......

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/25530317/
 

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In 1420 a Songhai doctor, Aben Ali, successfully treated the French crown prince, later King Charles VII when everybody else failed. Secondly, in 1492 the great Songhai emperor Sunni Ali Ber was mummified. These two examples tell us something of the high standards of medical and surgical knowledge in West Africa in the fifteenth century.
:wow::wow::wow::wow::wow: Was LITERALLY saving their OWN damn royal people while THEY COULD NOT. :wow:'

Anyways @CashmereEsquire more on your Mano people.:whew:

Dr Charles Finch, associate professor of medicine at Morehouse, demonstrated that West African countries traditionally used large range of plants, minerals and animal material for medical purposes. Some groups such as the Mano of Liberia, even practiced quarantining to contain diseases. West Africans traditionally used local anesthetics and had treatments for asthma, bronchitis, diabetes, malaria and muscular-skeletal pain. They used plants that had anti-sickle cell properties and other plants that had insect repellent properties.
Walker, Robin. Blacks and Science Volume Two: West and East African Contributions to Science and Technology AND Intellectual Life and Legacy of Timbuktu. London: CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform, 2013. Print.

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:wow::wow::wow::wow::wow: Was LITERALLY saving their OWN damn royal people while THEY COULD NOT. :wow:'

Anyways @CashmereEsquire more on your Mano people.:whew:


Walker, Robin. Blacks and Science Volume Two: West and East African Contributions to Science and Technology AND Intellectual Life and Legacy of Timbuktu. London: CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform, 2013. Print.

:banderas::banderas::banderas::banderas:


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We Africans are too nice
 

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:wow::wow::wow::wow::wow: Was LITERALLY saving their OWN damn royal people while THEY COULD NOT. :wow:'

Anyways @CashmereEsquire more on your Mano people.:whew:


Walker, Robin. Blacks and Science Volume Two: West and East African Contributions to Science and Technology AND Intellectual Life and Legacy of Timbuktu. London: CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform, 2013. Print.

:banderas::banderas::banderas::banderas:


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Think I'm about to buy this book.
Are there a lot more gems than the ones you gifted us with?
 

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Think I'm about to buy this book.
Are there a lot more gems than the ones you gifted us with?

Yes, and its a good, short and easy read. Though there are some questionable things that he Robin Walker should provide more evidence for his stuff on Nigerian civilization, Western Sudanese civilization and the Dogon are very good. I like this book way more then his "When We Ruled" because he mostly touches base on stuff that are his strong point. And he goes into West African history WAY MORE than in his When We Ruled book.
 

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1. The people who populated West Africa were NOT ancestral to modern West Africans but Twa. Modern West Africans are mostly recent to the area.

2. Stay on topic. Nothing about this thread is related to Egypt and nor was anyone dikkriding Egypt here.
First of all salute to you and all the other brehs in here spreading knowledge. I am honored to have afro-american brehs interested in the history and culture of my and maybe your homeland.

I'm glad you mention that (some) ethnic groups who populated the Western Sudan where NOT ancestral to the area.
For instance my ethnic, the Soninke now in Mauritania, Mali and Senegal, our oral tradition says that we made a long migration from Sonna(Assouan*) in upper Egypt all through the Sahara which was not the dry desert we know now and settled in central Mali more precisely Jenné-Jenno which we called Diaka this was around the foundation of the city in 250 BC. Jenné is now in Macina, a region in Mali where fulani dominate. After time, another migration happened because of droughts to the Wagadu area in what is now southeastern Mauritania and Mali. But the tradition says that to the contrary of Diaka which was nearly empty swamplands we found and subjugated there a(twa/pygmy like?) autochtonous hunting and agricultural people called Kagoros or Kakolos. Now Ka koro literally means "the first ones here". These Kagoros were great warriors and resisted heavily but eventually got subdued by the Soninké. Some fled to the south and assimilated with Mandé groups, others stayed and became Soninké-ized until becoming indistinguishable. This theory is true because many of the noble clans within the Soninké society are originally Kagoro which assimilated into the Soninké. For instance the Camara or the Fofana. Camara are the founders of the ancient city of Walata now in southeast Mauritania and called Birou in Soninké language. The soninké again left this town because of droughts and settled further south along the Senegal River or across the border of the desert in Mali. The people living in Oualata are now arab-berber nomads mixed with original Soninké/Kagoro. As your family name is your passport in Mandé and Mandé influenced areas, it'd be hard to find Soninké not mixed with Kagoros.

There are still some pure kagoros left in Mali about 15.000 in 1960. And there are still many Soninké people who know they are originally Kagoros. The rest are assimilated in the numerous Mandé groups mostly in Mali.



*Local berbers used to call the Soninké people Aswaninké, literally those from Aswan. The Soninké call their ancestral home Soni or Choua(Aswan or Achwan). The suffix -nké meaning "people of" in mandé languages. So the Malinkés means people of Mali or Manding, the Khassonké means people of Khasso, the Diakhanké means people of Diakha. All these places are identifiable and located in the Western Sudan. That leaves us the question where was the Soni of the Soninké because there is no Soni in the Western Sudan area.
 

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No problem my Western Sudanese cousin...
First of all salute to you and all the other brehs in here spreading knowledge. I am honored to have afro-american brehs interested in the history and culture of my and maybe your homeland.
Indeed, while I LOVE Nile Valley and Swahili civilization, it is a MUST for the diaspora to know West African history especially those of the Western Sudan.

I'm glad you mention that (some) ethnic groups who populated the Western Sudan where NOT ancestral to the area.
For instance my ethnic, the Soninke now in Mauritania, Mali and Senegal, our oral tradition says that we made a long migration from Sonna(Assouan*) in upper Egypt all through the Sahara which was not the dry desert we know now and settled in central Mali more precisely Jenné-Jenno which we called Diaka this was around the foundation of the city in 250 BC.
Speaking of Jenne. Is there any more excavations on the ancient site? Beause more excavations are NEEDED.

Also, I KEEP hearing many West African and Bantu people claim they migrated from Egypt. Is this really real or is it just them wanting a connection with Egypt? Do you have a source of them claiming they came from Egypt because it would be quite interesting. Again, I keep hearing many West Africans claim they come from Egypt that it can hardly be labeled speculation.

Jenné is now in Macina, a region in Mali where fulani dominate. After time, another migration happened because of droughts to the Wagadu area in what is now southeastern Mauritania and Mali. But the tradition says that to the contrary of Diaka which was nearly empty swamplands we found and subjugated there a(twa/pygmy like?) autochtonous hunting and agricultural people called Kagoros or Kakolos. Now Ka koro literally means "the first ones here". These Kagoros were great warriors and resisted heavily but eventually got subdued by the Soninké. Some fled to the south and assimilated with Mandé groups, others stayed and became Soninké-ized until becoming indistinguishable. This theory is true because many of the noble clans within the Soninké society are originally Kagoro which assimilated into the Soninké. For instance the Camara or the Fofana. Camara are the founders of the ancient city of Walata now in southeast Mauritania and called Birou in Soninké language. The soninké again left this town because of droughts and settled further south along the Senegal River or across the border of the desert in Mali. The people living in Oualata are now arab-berber nomads mixed with original Soninké/Kagoro. As your family name is your passport in Mandé and Mandé influenced areas, it'd be hard to find Soninké not mixed with Kagoros.
So you're saying that the Soninke mixed with these Twa like people? I never heard that. I heard Soninke were the founders of Walata. And also aren't the Soninke a Mande group?

But interesting stuff.

There are still some pure kagoros left in Mali about 15.000 in 1960. And there are still many Soninké people who know they are originally Kagoros. The rest are assimilated in the numerous Mandé groups mostly in Mali.
I'm confused...? Are you saying the Soninke were originally Kagoro[Twa]?

*Local berbers used to call the Soninké people Aswaninké, literally those from Aswan. The Soninké call their ancestral home Soni or Choua(Aswan or Achwan). The suffix -nké meaning "people of" in mandé languages. So the Malinkés means people of Mali or Manding, the Khassonké means people of Khasso, the Diakhanké means people of Diakha. All these places are identifiable and located in the Western Sudan. That leaves us the question where was the Soni of the Soninké because there is no Soni in the Western Sudan area.

Do you have a source for the bolded because its very interesting and I wanna use it in the future.
 
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