Lets Talk African History: Ancient Nubia

[Misreeya]

More of the "Ta Seti" group.

Most surprising, evidence that early pharaohs ruled in A-Group Nubia was discovered by the Oriental Institute at Qustul, almost at the modern Sudanese border. A cemetery of large tombs contained evidence of wealth and representations of the rulers and their victories. Other representations and monuments could then be identified, and in the process, a lost kingdom, called Ta-Seti or Land of the Bow, was discovered. In fact, the cemetery at Qustul leads directly to the first great royal monuments of Egypt in a progression. Qustul in Nubia could well have been the seat of Egypt's founding dynasty.

From the Chicago Institute in America.

The Nubia Salvage Project | The Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago

 

[Misreeya]

The 12th Dynasty and most likely the new kingdom period of ancient Egypt was of Ta'seti origin.

Nubia - Wikipedia

Various pharaohs of Nubian origin are held by some Egyptologists to have played an important part towards the area in different eras of Egyptian history, particularly the 12th Dynasty. These rulers handled matters in typical Egyptian fashion, reflecting the close cultural influences between the two regions.

[T]he XIIth Dynasty (1991–1786 B.C.E.) originated from the Aswan region. As expected, strong Nubian features and dark coloring are seen in their sculpture and relief work. This dynasty ranks as among the greatest, whose fame far outlived its actual tenure on the throne. Especially interesting, it was a member of this dynasty that decreed that no Nehsy (riverine Nubian of the principality of Kush), except such as came for trade or diplomatic reasons, should pass by the Egyptian fortress and cops at the southern end of the Second Nile Cataract. Why would this royal family of Nubian ancestry ban other Nubians from coming into Egyptian territory? Because the Egyptian rulers of Nubian ancestry had become Egyptians culturally; as pharaohs, they exhibited typical Egyptian attitudes and adopted typical Egyptian policies. (Yurco 1989) [25]

In the New Kingdom, Nubians became indistinguishable in the archaeological record from Egyptians.

12th dynasty art work.

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[Bawon Samedi]

The 12th Dynasty and most likely the new kingdom period of ancient Egypt was of Ta'seti origin.

Nubia - Wikipedia



12th dynasty art work.

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Yeah I believe the 12th dynasty was Nubian.

 

[Misreeya]

Amenemhet the founder of the 12th dynasty.

Many Egyptologists believe that Amenemhet's inscription implies that a great ruler will come to the throne of Egypt upon the death of Mentuhotep IV, who will lead the country into prosperity. It is fairly certain that Amenemhet the vizier was predicting his own rise to the throne as Amenemhet I. However, we are told that he had at least two other competitors to the throne. One was called Inyotef, and the other a Segerseni from Nubia. It would appear that he quickly dealt with these obstacles. We believe that he ruled Egypt for almost 30 years. Peter A. Clayton places his reign between the years of 1991 and 1962 BC while the Oxford History of Ancient Egypt gives him a reign lasting from 1985 through 1956 BC. Dodson has his reign lasting from 1994 until 1964 BC.

Read more: Egypt: Amenemhat I, 1st King of the 12th Dynasty

Amenemhet was probably the son of a woman named Nofret (Nefret), from Elephantine near modern Aswan, and a priest called Senusret, according to an inscription at Thebes. So his origins are probably southern Egypt. We know of three possible wives including Neferytotenen (Nefrutoteen, Nefrytatenen), who may have been the mother of Amenemhet I's successor, Senusret I, Dedyet, who was may also have been his sister, and Sobek'neferu, Neferu). It is fairly clear that Amenemhet established Egypt's first co-regency with his son, Senusret I, in about the older kings 20th year of rule. He was not only seeking to assure the succession of his proper heir, but also providing the young prince valuable training under his tutelage. Senusret was given several active roles in Amenemhet I's government, specifically including matters related to the military matters.

Read more: Egypt: Amenemhat I, 1st King of the 12th Dynasty

Then a king will come from the South,
Ameny, the justified, my name,
Son of a woman of Ta-Seti, child of Upper Egypt,
He will take the white crown,
he willjoin the Two Mighty Ones (the two crowns)



Asiatics will fall to his sword,
Libyans will fall to his flame,
Rebels to his wrath, traitors to his might,
As the serpent on his brow subdues the rebels for him,
One will build the Walls-of-the-Ruler,
To bar Asiatics from entering Egypt..



Read more: Egypt: Amenemhat I, 1st King of the 12th Dynasty

Egypt: Amenemhat I, 1st King of the 12th Dynasty

 

[Misreeya]

Yeah I believe the 12th dynasty was Nubian.

They were of Ta Seti origin, which scholars all know. However the nubian coin is very confusing and we should go by what the ancient really wrote, instead of what modern scholars input.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

They were of Ta Seti origin, which scholars all know. However the nubian coin is very confusing and we should go by what the ancient really wrote, instead of what modern scholars input.

I already addressed that there never were a Nubian people. I only use the term because laymen will absorb it easier.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Kush was conquered very early on by Nilotic-speakers. Ancient Kush had both Afro-Asiatic phenotypes and Nilotic phenotypes.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Kush was conquered very early on by Nilotic-speakers. Ancient Kush had both Afro-Asiatic phenotypes and Nilotic phenotypes.

I believe it was the other way around.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

I believe it was the other way around.

Interesting. My interpretive theory is that Afro-Asiatics moved up from the Ethiopian Highlands into the Nile Valley and continued ever northwards... Nilotics took over their society during their expansions.

 

[Misreeya]

Richard Lobban Jr speculate that pharaoh from this period was of Nubian origin 11th dynasty, but he is not sure which group. Since the pharaoh mentuhotep depicted himself "dark skin", but according to Nile Valley myth dark skin can symbolize rebirth, but all his wives were and people he surround himself was definitely of Southern origin. Their based along with "Ta Seti" was based in Upper Egypt and part of today Northern Sudan.

Here is the book written by Richard Lobban Jr.

https://books.google.com/books?id=jF2jq5JrkS4C&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=mentuhotep+ii+nubian&source=bl&ots=SK70isyI28&sig=XT4KXMGyS0rN2UdPGl1diWXarYU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjTweWGso3QAhUBLZQKHX03DowQ6AEIggEwFw#v=onepage&q=mentuhotep ii nubian&f=false

Richard Lobban - Wikipedia


Dynasty depiction

His wives Kemsit, Kawit, among others.

klgarrett@aol.com | Kenneth Garrett Photography

Mentuhotep 2

Mentuhotep II - Wikipedia

 

[Misreeya]

Interesting. My interpretive theory is that Afro-Asiatics moved up from the Ethiopian Highlands into the Nile Valley and continued ever northwards... Nilotics took over their society during their expansions.

Some scholars who study linguistic speculate that, especially in regards to Kerma being originally Afro Asiatic first and later switching to Nilo Saharan based language, due to the movement of them coming to the South to the north.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

http://www.soas.ac.uk/linguistics/research/workingpapers/volume-14/file37822.pdf - A paper on the small likelihood of Meroitic being of Nilo-Saharan origins.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Interesting. My interpretive theory is that Afro-Asiatics moved up from the Ethiopian Highlands into the Nile Valley and continued ever northwards... Nilotics took over their society during their expansions.

Nilotics and other Nilo-Saharan groups are much older on the Nile Valley than Afro-Asiatic speakers on the Nile Valley.

This for example...

"Accordingly, through limited on number of aDNA samples, there is enough data to suggest and to tally with the historical evidence of the dominance by Nilotic elements during the early state formation in the Nile Valley, and as the states thrived there was a dominance by other elements particularly Nuba/Nubians. In Y-chromosome terms this mean in simplest terms introgression of the YAP insertion (haplogroups E and D), and Eurasian Haplogroups which are defined by F-M89 against a background of haplogroup A-M13."---Hassan 2009


Their cattle culture was also most similar to cattle culture of modern day Nilotics.

Even before [Kerma] kings began taking human escorts with them to eternity, their funerals had still been massive ritual events in which their imperial power over vast areas of territory was symbolically demonstrated. Indeed, excavations and subsequent scientific investigations over the last few years have revealed that some of the kings had themselves buried alongside the remains of literally thousands of cattle. In front of one royal grave, the king’s retainers had sacrificed 4,500 of the animals – arranging their skulls in a huge, horn-shaped crescent in front of the tomb. But of greatest significance was the chemical analysis of the horns,
which revealed that the cattle had been reared in different environments
and been brought to the funeral from the length and breadth of the kingdom.

What’s clear is that Kerma’s civilisation emerged out of an ancient pastoral culture that had flourished in that part of Sudan since at least 7000BC when
the first settlements were established. Nearby Kerma archaeologists have discovered one of the two oldest cemeteries ever found in Africa – dating back to 7500BC – and the oldest evidence of cattle domestication ever found in Sudan or, indeed, in the Egyptian Nile Valley. The economic basis of both of the pre-urban and urban cultures of ancient Kerma was cattle.

KERMA – BLACK AFRICA'S OLDEST CIVILISATION
Story by DAVID KEYS | August 2005 | Impressions Magazine |

Compared to Nilotic/Nilo-Saharan speakers, AA speakers were late comers.

 

[Misreeya]

http://www.soas.ac.uk/linguistics/research/workingpapers/volume-14/file37822.pdf - A paper on the small likelihood of Meroitic being of Nilo-Saharan origins.

Yeah, the language is hard to categorized due to the diverse nature of the population. I reckon it would had been similar to the European language "basque", which is not related to the other languages in the region.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Richard Lobban Jr speculate that pharaoh from this period was of Nubian origin 11th dynasty, but he is not sure which group. Since the pharaoh mentuhotep depicted himself "dark skin", but according to Nile Valley myth dark skin can symbolize rebirth, but all his wives were and people he surround himself was definitely of Southern origin. Their based along with "Ta Seti" was based in Upper Egypt and part of today Northern Sudan.

Here is the book written by Richard Lobban Jr.

https://books.google.com/books?id=jF2jq5JrkS4C&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=mentuhotep+ii+nubian&source=bl&ots=SK70isyI28&sig=XT4KXMGyS0rN2UdPGl1diWXarYU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjTweWGso3QAhUBLZQKHX03DowQ6AEIggEwFw#v=onepage&q=mentuhotep ii nubian&f=false

Richard Lobban - Wikipedia


Dynasty depiction

His wives Kemsit, Kawit, among others.

klgarrett@aol.com | Kenneth Garrett Photography

Mentuhotep 2

Mentuhotep II - Wikipedia

Them and the Ancient Egyptians were still "black" tho based on many morphology and genetic studies.

Agreed that black in Nile Valley civilization meant "rebirth." Black in general African culture has more positive meaning than in western culture where it is looked at as evil.