Lets Talk African History: Ancient Nubia

[Jammer22]

Certain racist Historians like to paint the Nubians are the "vile Blacks" that the Egyptians hated(yet we know both were closely related), yet they married A LOT constantly....

(Bianchi, 2004: p. 4)



^^^All this paints a different image that they were instead integrated.


(Bianchi, 2004, p. 99-100)
- Robert Bianchi ( 2004). Daily Life of the Nubians. Greenwood Publishing Group


@The Odum of Ala Igbo @Don Drogo @Jammer22 thoughts?

I noticed they like to emphasize Nubian or kushyte wars, as well as pointing out how Tiye or the 25th dynasty were foreign in some way to Egypt. They don't seem to give an equal amount of time on analysis of Egypt integration policies or cultural relations. This narrow lens of their relationship in some western academia is Woat. (I notice France is fairer about this than the U.S)

 

[LoStranger]

I noticed they like to emphasize Nubian or kushyte wars, as well as pointing out how Tiye or the 25th dynasty were foreign in some way to Egypt. They don't seem to give an equal amount of time on analysis of Egypt integration policies or cultural relations. This narrow lens of their relationship in some western academia is Woat. (I notice France is fairer about this than the U.S)

Exactly funny how White historians love emphasizing the Nubian wars with the Egyptians but they never emphasize the Nubian wars with the Arabs (whom asses they thoroughly kicked)

Anyway the general history of Sudan and Nubia is VERY underrated they're some of the top dawgs in all of African history it's a shame it's history tends to be so overshadowed by Egypt

 

[ZoeGod]

@Diasporan Royalty is it safe to say that had Nubia actually united into one kingdom they could have overtaken Egypt?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@Diasporan Royalty is it safe to say that had Nubia actually united into one kingdom they could have overtaken Egypt?

Nubia as in the entire N.Sudan? Because that's what "Nubia" meant. Anyways they did do that under the Kushyte Kingdom which united many "Nubian groups" and they did conquer Egypt under the 25th dynasty. However, as I posted earlier in this thread Nubia already gave Egypt a bad beating prior to that but they did not conquer Egypt but just embarrassed them.

 

[Donny]

 

[Jammer22]

Good stuff.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

There has been numerous docus over the last year about Ancient Nubia/Kush and I noticed they kept emphasizing that Kush was hated by Egypt/Kush learned from & imitated Egypt while also making it sound like Egypt wasn't an African civilization...plus, they kept spamming this relief

........they were trying, without actually saying it; egyptians had nothing to do with africa/"black" africans

 

[Misreeya]

There has been numerous docus over the last year about Ancient Nubia/Kush and I noticed they kept emphasizing that Kush was hated by Egypt/Kush learned from & imitated Egypt while also making it sound like Egypt wasn't an African civilization...plus, they kept spamming this relief

........they were trying, without actually saying it; egyptians had nothing to do with africa/"black" africans

Actually Kush was not ancient Nubian, but only Kush! In other words there were no such thing as a "nubia" state, I wish people stop repeating that. You had individual nation states, such as Kush, Wawat, Yam among others. However scholars never really talk about the identity of the 12th dynasty, and i wonder why sometimes, because they put they foot in their mouths. Here is why?

This is how the 12th dynasty depicted themselves.

This is the 12th dynasty, and read carefully.


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Various pharaohs of Nubian origin are held by some Egyptologists to have played an important part towards the area in different eras of Egyptian history, particularly the 12th Dynasty. These rulers handled matters in typical Egyptian fashion, reflecting the close cultural influences between the two regions.

[T]he XIIth Dynasty (1991–1786 B.C.E.) originated from the Aswan region. As expected, strong Nubian features and dark coloring are seen in their sculpture and relief work. This dynasty ranks as among the greatest, whose fame far outlived its actual tenure on the throne. Especially interesting, it was a member of this dynasty that decreed that no Nehsy (riverine Nubian of the principality of Kush), except such as came for trade or diplomatic reasons, should pass by the Egyptian fortress and cops at the southern end of the Second Nile Cataract. Why would this royal family of Nubian ancestry ban other Nubians from coming into Egyptian territory? Because the Egyptian rulers of Nubian ancestry had become Egyptians culturally; as pharaohs, they exhibited typical Egyptian attitudes and adopted typical Egyptian policies.

Nubia - Wikipedia

Now who was this Nubian group in the 12th dynasty that was at war with "Kush"? More fact checking!

Amenemhet I was the first ruler of the 12th Dynasty, and some Egyptologists believe that recovery from the First Intermediate Period into the Middle Kingdom only really began with his rule

"Many Egyptologists believe that Amenemhet's inscription implies that a great ruler will come to the throne of Egypt upon the death of Mentuhotep IV, who will lead the country into prosperity. It is fairly certain that Amenemhet the vizier was predicting his own rise to the throne as Amenemhet I. However, we are told that he had at least two other competitors to the throne. One was called Inyotef, and the other a Segerseni from Nubia. It would appear that he quickly dealt with these obstacles. We believe that he ruled Egypt for almost 30 years. Peter A. Clayton places his reign between the years of 1991 and 1962 BC while the Oxford History of Ancient Egypt gives him a reign lasting from 1985 through 1956 BC. Dodson has his reign lasting from 1994 until 1964 BC.

Amenemhet was probably the son of a woman named Nofret (Nefret), from Elephantine near modern Aswan, and a priest called Senusret, according to an inscription at Thebes. So his origins are probably southern Egypt. We know of three possible wives including Neferytotenen (Nefrutoteen, Nefrytatenen), who may have been the mother of Amenemhet I's successor, Senusret I, Dedyet, who was may also have been his sister, and Sobek'neferu, Neferu). It is fairly clear that Amenemhet established Egypt's first co-regency with his son, Senusret I, in about the older kings 20th year of rule. He was not only seeking to assure the succession of his proper heir, but also providing the young prince valuable training under his tutelage. Senusret was given several active roles in Amenemhet I's government, specifically including matters related to the military matters.

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This tale has Ameny delivering Egypt from chaos, but it should be noted that it is the chaos of the late 11th Dynasty, not the First Intermediate Period.




Then a king will come from the South,
Ameny, the justified, my name,
Son of a woman of Ta-Seti, child of Upper Egypt,
He will take the white crown,
he willjoin the Two Mighty Ones (the two crowns)

The answer is Ta Seti, they were the rulers of the 12th dynasty and at war with Kush. Ta Seti, and the Medjay(so called Afroasiatic language were nubians groups always part of ancient Egypt, and often rulers. Whereas Kush was not. In Fact, Ta Seti was the first nome or governmental division in Ancient Egypt. Also all dynasty link themselves in regards to kingdomship to that group.

Ta-Seti (Land of the bow, also Ta Khentit, the Frontier or Borderland) was the first nome (administrative division) of Upper Egypt, one of 42 nomoi in Ancient Egypt. Ta-Seti also marked the border area towards Nubia.



Egypt: Amenemhat I, 1st King of the 12th Dynasty

Ta-Seti - Wikipedia

Medjay - Wikipedia

The first mention of the Medjay in written records dates back to the Old Kingdom, when they were listed among other Nubian peoples in the Autobiography of Weni, who was at the time a general serving under Pepi I Meryre (reigned 2332–2287 BC).[

However, there is speculation that a group of people called the Meded who fought against the Kush during the 5th and 4th centuries B.C. might have been related to the Medjay.[

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Actually Kush was not ancient Nubian, but only Kush! In other words there were no such thing as a "nubia" state, I wish people stop repeating that. You had individual nation states, such as Kush, Wawat, Yam among others.

yes, Nubia is always used in modern times to cover all of the subgroups/settlements, while Kush is a specific subset of those settlements