#BOTHSIDES
Superstar
He claimed to be from Mecca. Other sources say he was from New Zealand
Let's talk about the NOI/FOI.
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What happened to him though?
i don't think he said he was God... I think elijah made that point - to say that God came directly to speak to black Americans... and our mindset in 1930 was so fukkked, he believed, we needed that. Even his wife says that Fard said not to call him god of prophet. I think that Fard went into hiding...he was wanted by too many people. The FBI kept tabs and open files on him til the 60's so they were still looking. I think fard murked Drew ali.. but elijah made up the space story because he couldn't say fard died because he didn't die.... he vanished.
he looked 'other' and registered as Indian, Afgan, New Zealand, Hispanic, White, black, and mixed. For some reason he chose black to identify with in the end.... he was constantly getting in trouble with the police, when he was w the morrish science they murked a couple police.. and he was always in trouble for stirring up the blacks - and this was 1930's so that was forbidden. So based on that he's accepted as whatever he says he is... he race was never that important anyway, they say mecca because of the islam spin..... book was called message TO the black man... not message From the black man.
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
SO YOU BELIEVE FARRAKHAN IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE FLYING SAUCER, BROTHER?
ADevilYouKhow
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so you dont belive he was murdered by noi, why?
do you think fard is still alive ?
any evidence of him killing drew ali?
why?
under orders or money?
what lead you to that conclusion?
the space theory isnt unreasonable.
do they still stand by that?
i fell like fard and his memory have been betrayed
ADevilYouKhow
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is it that unreasonable?
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Superstar
I know your questions weren't addressed to me, but I think it was a combination of noi and FBI. Everyone that has spoken out against the NOI has been killed. is it a coincidence? idk. and those convicted of the killings were members of the NOI. Kinda hard not to say they weren't involved.
The FBI were also watching him at the same time with the cointel program. they could've joined forces. The crazy thang is that a few years ago the killer of malcolm X was released from prison. he also fathered like 3-5 kids in the span of 30-40 years or so while in prison. I don't think he was in maximum security prison for commuting such a serious crime to a major/popular figure. How many black men have you heard of getting released from a murder and even having children while in prison. They were very lenient on this guy
they still believe in the mother ship theory.
I'm pretty sure Fard is dead by now. he was just a man. I heard he might have died in the 70s but he kinda just disappeared in the 30s. I'm sure he still had contact with NOI throughout the years. The guy had many aliases. My parents used to be in the NOI. then they converted to orthodox islam later. So we would listen to the lecture by elijah muhammed's son, Warith (Wallace) Dean Muhammed. He told Malcolm what his father had been doing. The son was suspended/kicked out of the NOI for a while as well.
Not everyone who has spoke out against the Nation has been killed - not even every former member who talked shyt was murked.
NOI members did kill Malcolm... You really have to understand contelpro and gov intervention to understand the difference between joining forces and infiltration. And yes, there's a reason dude didn't do hard time.
Fard died of old age... he was just laying low. It wasn't money or orders that made him wanna murk Noble Drew... Drew went 'missing'.... then all of a sudden Fard said that Drew made him the leader of the Moorish science? How when Fard hadn't even been there as long as other members and he didn't even have the people behind him like that? That suspect to me.
The space theory isn't unreasonable........ the NOI didn't come up w that shyt. There have been respected people who talk about space, ufo's, random experiences... plus i don't feel all those air force and navy officials were crazy.
Fard's memory hasn't been betrayed.... he was a vehicle for a message. i don't feel he was an upright man. I think Malcolm and Farrakhan have sins and flaws -but overall were upstanding people. Fard learned from good men... but his mind was too unmoral. Elijah put the morals back in the message - but he has sexual ways that were unmoral....
idk...
Constantine
Et in Arcadia ego...
Fard/Ford dissapeared after 1934. Its plausible he was killed; he, and his followers in the Moorish Science Temple were involved in a number of homicides, and ritual murders. A journalist claims Fard was of Pakistani descent.
Concerning Farakhan and Malcolm, Farakhan admitted to fostering a environment that was conducive to Malcolm's killing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/749116.stm
The Final Call ran cartoons depicting Malcolm's head dismembered from his body bouncing down a road.
Farakhan routinely called Malcolm a hyprocite, or a Judas. What do you do with a hyprocite? Do you allow them to further spill slander against your leader, or do you deal with them with extreme prejudice? One of the reasons why I think it was possible for the NOI to be complicit in Malcolm's death is becuause of the murders some of their members from Philadelphia committed in N.W. D.C. in1973 in which 4 children were drowned. All because the man they wanted to kill broke away from the NOI, and spoke about some of the chicanery he felt Elijah was practising.
http://books.google.com/books?id=hvM8cFfb1X0C&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=hanafi killings in d.c.&source=bl&ots=QHiXe5BrWv&sig=hZjGlxI4uCp_GIBpGyNhdbuoh-U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=utsIUqC_Fsjb2AWE_oCwAw&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=hanafi killings in d.c.&f=false
Its also possible the government was involved in Malcolm's killing as alleged in these books.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Judas-Factor-Plot-Malcolm/dp/1560250666
http://www.amazon.com/To-Kill-Black-Man-Shocking/dp/0870679821
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Good stuff. I have no doubts that the US Government was in some way involved. Either they helped it or they knew about it. Hoover was a fukked up person, even those in the US Government feared him. He would go and spy/sabotage on Civil Rights Leader while at the same time using the Mafia (who he was also targeting) to torture and interrogate KKK members in order to find their victims or intimidate KKK leadership. That shyt doesn't even make sense.
At the end of the day though, the NOI put out the hit. As you have said, they have killed much less prominent former members than Malcolm.
Cults are a dangerous thing.
they really didn't put out the hit though..... there isn't evidence to support that, so why do you wish that to be the case? Outside of Louis X talking about him being a traitor - there isn't 1 piece of evidence showing that anyone in the noi put the hit out that lead to his death. We're on here with very very very limited understanding of the politics.
lol@ you on here like you even really give a fukk... or even are trying to understand what happened. Most of what Malcolm spoke post noi is similar to NOI version of X and most of that shyt you wouldn't even agree with.... so basically you're on here just blindly trying to diss the NOI. IF you wanna diss them do bad, and not acknowledge the good they've done - then do it with real criticism about their actual ideas. .
Remember this... Malcolm wrote letters, notes, and even dropped a mix tape apologizing to Elijah and the movement for talking all that shyt--- not for splitting, but for disrespecting the movement that saved him. This was after he split during the time when they had beef. Eventually they would have all been ok again - Malcolm just didn't like being suspended, it's not like he left.... . Are we gonna ignore the fact that Malcolm himself trained some of the most militant of the FOI???
During this same time FBI. CIA, monitoring his increased... then when he stop dissing MLK and went to Mecca- he was claimed to be even 'more dangerous' to the government.