Lets talk about how mental illness creates a culture of victimhood that sidesteps the actual issue

[Spoonz]

Everyone?

No.

A lot of them? Sure.

I've seen kids with neurological deficits...ACTUAL problems. Kids who's brains just ARE NOT working...and you're saying because you can't get out of bed you're somehow more different? Or you get nervous easily? or you're shy?...that you have an "ILLNESS?"

Do you even know anything about Depression? It deserves some attention too. There are people that feel like shyt every day they live to the point they can't hang with their friends, family and they abandon doing the shyt they like and you just wanna ignore that shyt?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So is your problem with the doping or the mental illness? It seems as if you don't know what to be up in arms about. There are plenty of psychiatrists who focus on therapy before even thinking about prescribing medication. A lot of them are opposed to it even.

1. The doping. (but this is obvious)

2. The classification of human behaviors as "disorders"

3. A LOT of them aren't really up on the therapy like that...cause they don't know what they think they know. I have a few friends who are psychiatrists. I tip-toe around certain stuff because they're so apt to prescribe drugs but we do have honest conversations about their capabilities.

How many depressed people do you know? How many people with true as hell social anxiety do you know? Or ADHD?

1. Depression isn't an illness.

2. Social anxiety is not an illness.

3. I'm PRETTY sure ADHD isn't truly an illness.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Do you even know anything about Depression? It deserves some attention too. There are people that feel like shyt every day they live to the point they can't hang with their friends, family and they abandon doing the shyt they like and you just wanna ignore that shyt?

I know shyttons about depression. The parts of the brain its thought to activate and everything.

Whats your point?

Is observing how rumination works the problem or fixing it?

Because a lot of depression seems to arise from deviations of where people would think their lives would be...not because of some innate lack of happiness or value in their lives or whatever.

I fail to see how this is considered an illness sometimes.

 

[Brofato]

1. The doping. (but this is obvious)

2. The classification of human behaviors as "disorders"

3. A LOT of them aren't really up on the therapy like that...cause they don't know what they think they know. I have a few friends who are psychiatrists. I tip-toe around certain stuff because they're so apt to prescribe drugs but we do have honest conversations about their capabilities.



1. Depression isn't an illness.

2. Social anxiety is not an illness.

3. I'm PRETTY sure ADHD isn't truly an illness.

Whether you believe in them or not was not the question. Do you know anyone who claims to have these? And not just a simple off-handed remark when someone is sad saying that they're depressed.

I surely do and they are completely inline with a disorder. If you've never been depressed or extensively dealt with people who truly are, there are things you just wouldn't understand about it no matter how much you think you understand. "The activation of the brain" and all that.

If you've ever met someone with social anxiety you could call them shy, sure, but it'd be one hell of an understatement. Not leaving their house for months except when they absolutely need to and when they do, planning it so that they follow the path that'll have them hopefully run into as little human interaction as possible. Their only human interaction being with their family and even that may be limited. Where so much as seeing another human being walk toward them makes them seize up and turn around to back into their home. If you want to call that shy or normal human behavior then have at it.

And ADHD isn't even diagnosed in most people until they've come to learn about it in adulthood, which at that point it finally clicks that it's why they've struggled all of their life. It seems that they had a harder time focusing on things than most people. Not retroactively looking for an excuse for why they can't seem to get their shyt straight but actually having a reason.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Whether you believe in them or not was not the question. Do you know anyone who claims to have these? And not just a simple off-handed remark when someone is sad saying that they're depressed.

Yes. I do. whats your point?

And I still don't agree with the diagnosis.

I surely do and they are completely inline with a disorder.

Doubt it.

If you've never been depressed or extensively dealt with people who truly are, there are things you just wouldn't understand about it no matter how much you think you understand. "The activation of the brain" and all that.

I was "depressed" when I felt my life wasn't going anywhere a few years back...doesn't mean my brain was broken. It was a problem of socialization.

If you've ever met someone with social anxiety you could call them shy, sure, but it'd be one hell of an understatement.

There are varying degrees of this and i'm sure you'll go to an extreme to prove your point...

Not leaving their house for months except when they absolutely need to and when they do, planning it so that they follow the path that'll have them hopefully run into as little human interaction as possible.

...like youve don here.

And I don't see this as an illness or disorder.

To what degree are humans supposed to interact with one-another? Do we force them if they don't want to? Do they want to and cant? Is there some other underlying reason why they behave that way?

Is it TRULY a "disorder?"

Their only human interaction being with their family and even that may be limited.

So? Just call them social outcasts instead of trying to make it seem like something is WRONG with them.

Where so much as seeing another human being walk toward them makes them seize up and turn around to back into their home. If you want to call that shy or normal human behavior then have at it.

But you're asserting that some people can't want that for themselves.

Its one thing for them to NOT want to behave that way and still do it, but its another for you to assert what is or is not normal behavior...its not even reflexive. People may have all sorts of reasons for behaving that way and you're acting as if going out of your way to interact with others means something is wrong with them.

Is it a fear of being robbed? Bad weather? stepping on cracks? You can't just abide by these vast labels that don't address anything other than saying people have a "disorder" then sending them off to get some broad "treatment" of resocialization.

And ADHD isn't even diagnosed in most people until they've come to learn about it in adulthood, which at that point it finally clicks that it's why they've struggled all of their life.

Thats bullshyt and you know it.

It seems that they had a harder time focusing on things than most people. Not retroactively looking for an excuse for why they can't seem to get their shyt straight but actually having a reason.

Maybe because concentrating is difficult?

I mean how can we sit here and say that your mammalian brain was made to sit in a classroom and read books for 7 hours a day from the age of 5-18?

 

[LOUD]

Ok so you were rejected in school because they thought you were weird
We get it

 

[Brofato]

Yes. I do. whats your point?

And I still don't agree with the diagnosis.

Doubt it.



I was "depressed" when I felt my life wasn't going anywhere a few years back...doesn't mean my brain was broken. It was a problem of socialization.

There are varying degrees of this and i'm sure you'll go to an extreme to prove your point... ...like youve don here.

And I don't see this as an illness or disorder.

To what degree are humans supposed to interact with one-another? Do we force them if they don't want to? Do they want to and cant? Is there some other underlying reason why they behave that way?

Is it TRULY a "disorder?"

So? Just call them social outcasts instead of trying to make it seem like something is WRONG with them. But you're asserting that some people can't want that for themselves.

Its one thing for them to NOT want to behave that way and still do it, but its another for you to assert what is or is not normal behavior...its not even reflexive. People may have all sorts of reasons for behaving that way and you're acting as if going out of your way to interact with others means something is wrong with them.

Is it a fear of being robbed? Bad weather? stepping on cracks? You can't just abide by these vast labels that don't address anything other than saying people have a "disorder" then sending them off to get some broad "treatment" of resocialization.

Thats bullshyt and you know it.



Maybe because concentrating is difficult?

I mean how can we sit here and say that your mammalian brain was made to sit in a classroom and read books for 7 hours a day from the age of 5-18?

The fact that you put "depressed" in quotations most likely means that you didn't take it seriously or didn't put much stock in it then, as you don't now.

It's less of an extreme and more of an everyday reality for more than a few people. Varying degrees and overuse of the word are out there yes but it still causes severe anxiety to the point that seems weird to most people.

They can be social outcasts but a lot of them actually would rather not be and just live their lives as they see other people do. There are people whose life it takes a real toll on. They can't finish school, avoid the doctor and try their best to not come in contact with humans.

And explain your responses to my posts about ADHD better, please.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Ok so you were rejected in school because they thought you were weird
We get it

I was? LOL. Never that.

We all get depressed to different degrees.

But illness? Nah.

The DSM-V just added BEREAVEMENT over few months to a list of disorders.

fukking grieving over death.

Are you kidding me?

 

[Danny Up]

But you're doing the same thing. You poopooing on peoples problems. You're not interested in the root cause, you're interested in shytting on people. You can't shyt on those with "illnesses" without making your self look an an a$$hole, so instead you try to shyt on the "dr.s" and "parents". It seems to me you harbor some resentment because no one got you the "proper" help for your "illness".

 

[LOUD]

I was? LOL. Never that.

We all get depressed to different degrees.

But illness? Nah.

The DSM-V just added BEREAVEMENT over few months to a list of disorders.

fukking grieving over death.

Are you kidding me?

LoopLoop

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

But you're doing the same thing. You poopooing on peoples problems.

No i'm not. I'm calling into question the source of these problems.

You're not interested in the root cause, you're interested in shytting on people.

I'm more interested in the root than you are, frankly. ]

You can't shyt on those with "illnesses" without making your self look an an @sshole, so instead you try to shyt on the "dr.s" and "parents".

huh? People with these "disorders" are part of the problem too. People are too busy looking for excuses to validate their incongruities and things they aren't happy with about themselves by instead looking for a diagnosis they can wave around as the source of their "ailment"

It seems to me you harbor some resentment because no one got you the "proper" help for your "illness".

Nice deflection.

When someone calls you out on the entire process surrounding the diagnosis of a problem, you make it seem like they've fallen under the problem themselves.

You haven't even addressed the validity of these "ailments" yet you claim to be an arbiter of them[/quote]

 

[Danny Up]

No i'm not. I'm calling into question the source of these problems. I'm more interested in the root than you are, frankly. ] huh? People with these "disorders" are part of the problem too. People are too busy looking for excuses to validate their incongruities and things they aren't happy with about themselves by instead looking for a diagnosis they can wave around as the source of their "ailment" Nice deflection.

When someone calls you out on the entire process surrounding the diagnosis of a problem, you make it seem like they've fallen under the problem themselves.

You haven't even addressed the validity of these "ailments" yet you claim to be an arbiter of them

[/quote]
You're not interested in anything but validating yourself. You seem to think "depression" only hits people with suck ass lives. Some people are living what most would consider the "American Dream" and they are completely miserable. Nothing wrong there right? People who never achieve happiness in life no matter what they do.

 

[Ski Mask]

So what are mental illnesses? Since you think Depression and social anxiety are just figments of people's imagination.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You're not interested in anything but validating yourself. You seem to think "depression" only hits people with suck ass lives. Some people are living what most would consider the "American Dream" and they are completely miserable. Nothing wrong there right? People who never achieve happiness in life no matter what they do.[/quote]

Listen to this episode of Freakonomics about suicide: http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/08/31/new-freakonomics-radio-podcast-the-suicide-paradox/

Tell me why suicide is higher in cultures and communities that have EVERYTHING? Places with the highest standard of living tend to have more suicide...why is that?

There are some places where its effectively ZERO.

A lot of what we're calling depression is pure and simply not truly the disorder it claims to be.

A chemical imbalance? You now how many people think they have that?

Do you even know the process they go through to make these studies and derive these conclusions?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So what are mental illnesses? Since you think Depression and social anxiety are just figments of people's imagination.

I'm pretty sure they're made up to fit the context of whatever the dominant society claims to value as "normal" behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_construct_theory_of_ADHD