Lets talk about how DMX ran 98 with a ironfist

[mobbinfms]

no, it's not. i'm keeping factual. you are asking for my opinion which is only just that an opinion. you are being evasive yourself by hoping that i say that his music is top shelf and acting like my opinion would reflect millions of others who may not share the same opinion as i do. plus that time was different compared to now. we're talking damn near 20 years ago. an opinion cannot be a fact.

i'm stating facts. pac's negative publicity made people pay attention to his music. it's not like people were flocking to pac's music before when they were playing it on the radio. if that wasn't true, explain how pac's record sales went up later on in his music career when he was really getting into trouble where his name was all over the news and press. let's be real. how many people were fukking with 2pac's music like that when he first dropped with his first two albums? his career started to blow up when he started to incorporate his life and his music together. dude started to become widely known in the mid 90s which was when he got charged with rape, locked up, shot up, released, beefing with biggie and puff and etc. his drama=record sales.

You're stating facts huh? "Pac's negative publicity made people pay attention to his music". What's your source for that "fact"? Was there a scientifically sound study conducted on the issue? How did the study control for the literally thousands of other reasons that people may have paid attention to Pac's music? Or how about this - how do you account for the fact that his record sales increased with the quality of his music?

People weren't fukking with Pac's music on his first two albums now? So you're telling me that Keep your Head Up and I get arou d weren't hits? You do realize both songs were from his second album?

Pac got charged with rape, locked up and shot up before Me Against The World.

Why don't you just keep it real and admit you really don't know what the fukk you're talking about and stop trying to pass off your opinions as "facts"?

 

[Gifted one]

 

[mobbinfms]

You admitted your bias so the whole argument was you being one sided with your views, you admitted that, you're quick to go in a thread defending Jay, but when someone dikkrides him and is bias like you, you don't say anything, hence showing your fox news point of view, no need to keep going with you, you already admitted your ignorance. Lets just move on.

So were you twelve at the time or what?

 

[Gifted one]

So were you twelve at the time or what?

What does my age being 12 at a certain point in my life have to do with you quoting my post about dudes bias? You must be his alias

 

[Notorioushnic]

It was called "The Hard Knock Life Tour" cause Jay Z just singed a huge deal with Def Jam the previous year in 97. Reasonable Doubt wasn't on Def Jam. Like I said DMX had a FULL year when you consider features, 2 LP's, A Movie and a Soundtrack. Using the "Jay headline hard knock life tour" has nothing to do with what DMX did in 98. The fact is this the "Hard Knock Life" tour was really a "DEF JAM Tour". Jay got top Billing cause of again the huge deal Def Jam just signed with him. DMX started 98 living off a ton of a great late 97 features from Ma$e to LL Cool J. Then he came into 98 with more features and then by summer he had his debut out and never let up the rest of the year.

Forgot to add the Survival of the Illest tour as well

 

[Polofresh4]

U lost your mind. It wasnt pushed like that and still sold 3 mil. It was a great move by dmx and defjam. And nikkas was bumpin that shyt heavy

It wasnt pushed like that because the ruff ryders had much better goin on then that wack cd at the time

nikkas was lookin for eve, the lox, dragon an rr vol 1 in 99...

Rr vol 1....a cd where jay had the best track:king

Truth be told.....x had like 7 months

 

[Mike Statik]

you just gon repeat the same bullshyt that has already been proven wrong?

proven wrong???

lol Lauryn Hill...Pun.. and DMX were checked for wayyyy more than Jay back then... i dont give a fukk about sales...they mean nothing cept lil teenage girls parents bought more of a certain album for there kids


nothing i mean absolutley nothing worse than a jay stan....take your L and go home... i was livin in the BX at the time...i was there...i know

 

[Pazzy]

I see you edited your post after I replied to it.

You are attempting to simplify 2Pac's music and pigeonhole him as being first a positive artist who over time transformed into a negative one. You are also incorrect regarding the timeline of when his music was released, when Juice was released and when he started getting into trouble.

2pac always represented positive and negative themes in his music. He was a complicated individual and artist with a lot to say. Have you ever heard 2Pacalypse Now? It's not all Brenda's got a baby. And Juice came out a fee months after his first album - so the argument that a movie role transformed his image is wrong. The album and movie were recorded and filmed around the same time.

He also started getting into serious trouble around the time of his first album (shooting off duty cops, the kid who shot a cop and claimed the first album made him do it, beating down directors on the scene of Menace, this may have been around the time of the second album).

It's pretty clear that you aren't that familiar with Pac's music and you don't have an accurate memory of when events outside the music unfolded. I would study ip before you comment on Pac again.

you don't even know what you're talking about.

funny how tupac stans try to twist facts to support their boy when the proof says otherwise.

you should take your own advice.

 

[mobbinfms]

you don't even know what you're talking about.

funny how tupac stans try to twist facts to support their boy when the proof says otherwise.

you should take your own advice.

I've given you actual facts. Prove me wrong.

 

[Pazzy]

I've given you actual facts. Prove me wrong.

actual facts huh? you don't even know when tupac's first album came out.

 

[mobbinfms]

I feel you and I'm dapping you cause you made a good point about how "Money ain't a thing" did blow during the summer was featured on JD albums 1st and that album did OK summer of 98. but "It's Alright" also came out summer time not spring. It was officially released in Aug. He did have "Street's is Watching" dropped summer as well as "Money ain't a thing" but Jay didn't run that summer, X did.

Also "Street's Watching" even though it eventually went Plat it wasn't a huge soundtrack at that time. "Belly" did better than it on the charts. Also DMX was on that album as well as "HKL". Jay was on X 2nd album. Jay basically came at the end of the 3rd quarter onto the 4th quarter. X was bubbling for ever single quarter of 1998.

(Belly soundtrack came out Nov 98 and debut at #5 on the Billboard 200)

Here's all the features DMX was on in 98:

1998 "Money, Power & Respect"
1998 "We Be Clubbin' (remix)
1998 "Murdergram"
1998 "Shut 'Em Down"
1998 "We Got This" John Forté Poly Sci
1998 "Get Your shyt Right" Jermaine Dupri, The Madd Rapper Life in 1472
1998 "Freestyle Over Mobb Deep's "Give Up the Goods (Just Step)"" Funkmaster Flex The Mix Tape, Vol. III
1998 "Whatcha Gonna Do?" Jayo Felony, Method Man Whatcha Gonna Do?
1998 "Money, Cash, Hoes" Jay-Z Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life
1998 "Top Shotter" Sean Paul, Mr. Vegas Belly
1998 "You Don't Hear Me Though"
1998 "Nowhere to Run" Ozzy Osbourne, Ol' Dirty b*stard, The Crystal Method, Fuzzbubble South Park: Chef Aid
1998 "Ruff Ryders' Anthem (remix)" DJ Clue, Jadakiss, Styles P, Drag-On, Eve The Professional
1998 "It's On" DJ Clue

That's not counting both albums and the Belly Soundtrack. And again he started the year still on fire from his late 97 callabo's that bleed over. Nobody is saying Jay didn't have a good 98 but the thread said X ruled with an Ironfist and when you think about it.

He did by again being hot the entire year from beginning to end. Jay's biggest songs in 98 were "Money ain't a Thing, Can I get a and Hard Knock Life". "That's Alright and Money, Cash, Hoes" were the huge street anthems. So again I don't want to take nothing from Jay but X clearly ruled longer in 98.

I appreciate that you can respectfully disagree with someone on here. You make a good argument. X clearly gets the first quarter as the Get At Me Dog single is rolled out for the release of IDAHIH in the second quarter. May actually. Same month Streets Is Watching Soundtrack drops. All I was wrong about its Alright being in the first quarter. It was another song in the summer. But in that summer, he had its Alright, Money Ain't a Thing and then Can I get A dropped and was huge. X had Ruff Ryder's Anthem that summer - which was also huge. At this point - they are neck and neck. Then HKL the song drops and its as huge as Can I Get A. X drops how's it going down. Which isn't as big. At this point - Jay overtakes him. Then HKL the album drops and quickly outsells IDAHIH. At this point jay is well in front of him. Then, at the very end of the year - X drops Flesh which sells well - but is considered a disappointment in comparison to IDAHIH.

Then you get the HKL tour and we've already discussed that ad nauseum.

Belly was a critical and Hollywood flop - but a big deal in the hip hop community. That was another big moment for X. Jay was on the Soundtrack to that as well though (he murdered Pregame - "what your album lacks is more Jay-z").
Jays movie was a big deal for hip hop too - but not as big a deal as Belly.

All in all - I say Jay had the better year. It's debatable (obviously) and I can see the argument for X. What's not debatable is that either one ruled with an iron fist.

 

[mobbinfms]

actual facts huh? you don't even know when tupac's first album came out.

Ok. Look up the dates and post them. Prove me wrong.

 

[Pazzy]

Ok. Look up the dates and post them. Prove me wrong.

no, that's on you, dude.

look up pac's rap sheet and see if what you wrote matches what you said.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

It wasnt pushed like that because the ruff ryders had much better goin on then that wack cd at the time

nikkas was lookin for eve, the lox, dragon an rr vol 1 in 99...

Rr vol 1....a cd where jay had the best track:king

Truth be told.....x had like 7 months

Lol go look at dmx's sales vs the rest of his clique. He outsold eve drag lox RR compilatons etc by himself. You must be trolling

 

[Polofresh4]

Lol go look at dmx's sales vs the rest of his clique. He outsold eve drag lox RR compilatons etc by himself. You must be trolling

You are correct. DMX sold more than all his other artists. In the long haul.

In 1999 and only 1999, DMX was not checked for as much as the other people mentioned. He dropped a weed plate and nikkas wasnt fukkin with him til "Whats My Name" dropped. Ruff Ryders just had hotter shyt at the time.

Like I said DMX had an "ironfist" on the game from late 97 until summer of 98....or about like 7 months

I got better shyt to do than