Busby
Real name no gimmicks..
Breh I'm gonna be honest, I fukking hate your s/n, it reminds me of this every time:
It's my last name....
Let's solve this once and for all brehs, who is the GOAT??
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It's my last name....
at people picking Austin over Hogan
hogan who was on top from 1982-1998(17 years)
flair who was on top from 1981 to 1996(16 years)
both were able to walk into the competing promotion and be a top guy right off the bat.
they didn't have to keep changing gimmicks over and over to get over.
have it right sir
flair who was on top from 1981 to 1996(16 years)
both were able to walk into the competing promotion and be a top guy right off the bat.
they didn't have to keep changing gimmicks over and over to get over.
Bob Loblaw
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hogan who was on top from 1982-1998(17 years)
flair who was on top from 1981 to 1996(16 years)
both were able to walk into the competing promotion and be a top guy right off the bat.
they didn't have to keep changing gimmicks over and over to get over.
have it right sir
Bob Loblaw
Superstar
Had Macho stayed in Vince's good graces the responses would look completely different.
You forgot about the never ending push, politics, racism, and a BUNCH of other factors as to why they were in that position for so long. Were the the absolute best? No...was Hogan better than Randy Savage at any point during his run? Maybe 1990 during the WM 6 thing with Warrior but that's debatable and it's all because of booking.
Flair had a title winning gimmick that involved a stable..he wasn't on top the whole time. He was just pushed as the top bad guy by southern regions...when he be on top had he had to interact with Savage in the same company? Of course not. Proven by the WM 8 payoff and situation. They could of done Flair/Hogan back in 1992 yet they went with Savage and Flair because who was better than Randy Savage? No one.
As for the whole Hogan birthing this or that and him "RIGHTFULLY being ahead of Austin and Rock"? That's a BS argument. Rock put that guy back on the map after he was dead in the water. Resurrected him. Just like he resurrected the last two WMs from being flops. The thing of is..the Rock entered wrestling in 1995 and look where he is now. That about says it all. Jordan-esque. Ali. It was Rock/Hogan..not Austin/Hogan. It was Rock/Lesnar..not Austin/Lesnar. Common sense really. No matter how they tried to depict it, the Rock was no one's second and transcended and in the end, above it all.
Flair had a title winning gimmick that involved a stable..he wasn't on top the whole time. He was just pushed as the top bad guy by southern regions...when he be on top had he had to interact with Savage in the same company? Of course not. Proven by the WM 8 payoff and situation. They could of done Flair/Hogan back in 1992 yet they went with Savage and Flair because who was better than Randy Savage? No one.
As for the whole Hogan birthing this or that and him "RIGHTFULLY being ahead of Austin and Rock"? That's a BS argument. Rock put that guy back on the map after he was dead in the water. Resurrected him. Just like he resurrected the last two WMs from being flops. The thing of is..the Rock entered wrestling in 1995 and look where he is now. That about says it all. Jordan-esque. Ali. It was Rock/Hogan..not Austin/Hogan. It was Rock/Lesnar..not Austin/Lesnar. Common sense really. No matter how they tried to depict it, the Rock was no one's second and transcended and in the end, above it all.
Hogan knows this is true. He was grateful to the Rock after WM18 because he knew he owed his resurgence to that match. And the people who saw that match as Hogan "passing the torch" to Rock are delusional. Rock had the torch long before that. This was actually a case of Rock giving Hogan some rub. Not enough people saw it that way.
Again, I don't think there are any wrong answers about who is the GOAT because we all have our opinions and reasons. I just don't think Rock gets enough credit for making and/or resurrecting other people's careers.
Toronto was more responsible for putting Hogan "back on the map" than the Rock was. Dwayne didn't do any heavy lifting there. The dream match sold itself. The crowd didn't shower Hogan with an ovation because they were so anti-Rock...it was because they were in awe that Hulk Hogan was back at Wrestlemania.
and its not even a knock on Hogan, because it was damn near 20 years after his prime Hulkamania run and post his second big run as Hollywood. The fact that he had another big run, albeit short and not nearly as lucrative at the gate, said a lot. And then he was still showing up from time to time and outpopping the roster until like 05-06.
and its not even a knock on Hogan, because it was damn near 20 years after his prime Hulkamania run and post his second big run as Hollywood. The fact that he had another big run, albeit short and not nearly as lucrative at the gate, said a lot. And then he was still showing up from time to time and outpopping the roster until like 05-06.
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He owes his resurgence to the match, not to Rock in particular. It takes two to tango, especially in a match of that caliber.
Rock stans keep acting like without Dwayne Hogan would've been dead in the water, but he was getting so much love from the fans on his comeback it was ridiculous. He ran Rock down with an ambulance and they STILL couldn't get people to turn on him. Does that sound like a symptom of a hasbeen who needs to be carried to the spotlight? HELL no.
You're right, the Toronto crowd had a lot to do with it. But I would also say The Rock should be given credit for recognizing the atmosphere and what the people wanted and playing along. I doubt that many of the other top stars of the era would have been as willing to do that the way The Rock did it. Ego would have gotten in the way for a lot of them. Rock was the perfect choice of opponent for a Hogan resurrection.
Two to tango? That was a sell and carryjob by the Rock. Who would dare argue different? It wasn't some gimmick where he was to make fun of Hogan like Michaels did 3 years later. Hogan didn't even get that kind of reaction until he and Rock faced off in Chicago for when the Rock challenged him.
Hogan wasn't getting booed every goddamn week during the Austin beatdowns and shyt? Nyggas on here always revising history. They cheered for both in Chicago and during the handicap match. That was it. They actually got ULTRA loud when they were in the ring compared to everyone else. They popped for the legdrop and the pinfall at the end.
He would of HAD no spotlight had he not been in a Rock match at Mania. That's the point. Austin was gone for what? Almost a year. You don't put him in the ring with HHH or Taker. No. If he's to be taken serious as the top guy again, he has to face the Rock. That's what happened. The Rock is why the Hogan match even went down because he c/s the whole damn deal. Austin wasn't feigning to work with him until he thought about it in retrospect during that shoot before he walked out.
Then after the ordeal, what happened? Hogan got the title and it didn't draw and they put it on Taker. Then they had to run to the Rock AGAIN because he was the ONLY legit PPV draw and ratings winner in 2002 and they went with Rock/Lesnar over Austin/Lesnar. They brought them all back in 2003 and what happened yet again? They went with Hogan/Vince over Hogan/Austin which makes NO SENSE but that was all political and no one wanted to look bad. Rock had no problem getting ran over and looking weak for 3 weeks if it meant the payoff was a Icon vs Icon match. Guy was a genius. The politicans revealed themselves and stopped dream matches from occurring while he reaped the benefits and kept on progressing to a one of a kind level star that can't be copied or emulated. They tried to with Blandy by giving him a soft version of 1998's road to success in 2004 under that Evolution banner but that failed. They tried to make Cena into this Austin/Hogan hybrid and then he changed his promo style to some fake Rock-isms in 2006-2008 to a horrible reaction that he's recovered from till this day. That speaks for itself on influence and greatness.
There is no down period for the Rock. Everything that guy has touched has made major fukking money. And it didn't endless protective booking to get that accomplished..just ONE mic
Scotch Hall
All Star
Also 2002 was a strange year by the time the year ended n1ggas was getting tired of rock.
I'm one of the only people to remember that though
Nah...you not the only one. The internet HATED the Rock. Almost like no one else. They were saying the most ignorant shyt you could think of on trying to shyt on him and put anybody really in the company as better than him. No doubt. That's the way it was in 2002..wasn't really felt onscreen until Canada turned on him heavily in the Hogan match and when he went back to Hollywood at the end of the Lesnar deal. Funny thing about all of that is..as SOON AS HE TURNED heel, the entire internet crowd which hated him to no end all of 2001 and 2002 basically flip flopped and knew that he had no equal. Never seen anything like it. Not the brightest crowd in the world...the Rock was coming out to one of a kind pops in 2002 though NO MATTER how they went against him in Toronto. Those pops in Seattle and Anaheim are two of the greatest in history.
