Lets not forget that Kobe Bryant won 2 championships with a sidekick worse than Kevin Love

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STILL WASNT THE MAN ON ALL HIS TITLE TEAMS LIKE U CLAIMED

AT LEAST KOBE WAS AN ALL STAR FOR ALL HIS TITLES..CMON NOW


Never had to have a dude come into the shower and console his either while he crying butt naked taking a shower:frank1:


Never had to beg for more help either :frank2:

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DUNCAN DIDNT NEED MORE HELP BECAUSE HE WAS THE HELP

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Yes..... it was HIS BACK everyone rode on to be the best team in the West and win all them rings. He helped a lot of guys that would never have rings get a ring:takedat:

Instead of shytting in Bron.... you should be HAPPY that he has 3 rings and won that one against us a few years back.

Cuz had we got that and Duncan had 6...... no one would even be talking about Kobe:lolbron:

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WIN A TITLE AS “THE MAN” WHEN NOT EVEN MAKING THE ALL STAR TEAM BRODIES

No one gives a flying fukk about the all star team. It's about championships and MVP's

Patrick Ewing made a lot of all star games and that ain't matter shyt

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Kobe won his 2 solo rings in possibly the weakest nba era. Boston was good, but the spurs were between the Duncan/Parker/Ginobili prime and getting kawhi, all the stars in the east were separated, pre warriors, etc. shyt my Melo-led nuggets were 2 successful inbound passes away from a ring.

Would a Kobe/Pau/Odom Lakers team be top 5 in today’s nba?
If they work on hitting 3's and Phil is still coaching they'd be Top 3 in the West.
 

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People like to shyt on Love but playing with Bron has made him less effective as a player. Before Bron, he was having 40 and 50 point games. I mean look at these stat line:

43/17
30/31
45/19
43/19
42/16
42/13
37/23
31/21

He was that type of player. What changed? Having to play Bron ball which pretty much rendered him a spot up shooter. This made him less effective as a scorer and effected his rebounding numbers tremendously. The stats tell a lot of the story. Peep this:

In Minnesota: (per 36 to account for rookie year)

45% FG
4.1 ORB
59% of his FG were between 0-3 ft
39% of his FG were between 3-10 ft



In Cleveland
43% FG
2.3 ORB
20% of his FG were between 0-3 ft
16% were between 3-10 ft


Bron ball has made Love less effective. In a Minnesota he gave you all-nba type of production. Under bron ball he has been relegated to a spot up shooter. Id argue the cavs would be better if they played through kevin more often or atleast let him get some post touches. But bron gotta get his stats so nah.
 
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Jim Jackson and Stephen Jackson =/= many of them. Also, have they ACTUALLY been saying Kobe is better? Or just playing devils advocate and asking that people entertain his case more? Because there's a difference. Jim Jackson I'm that recent appearance didn't come out of his mouth and say "Kobe is better."

I "lack the intelligence" because when talking to you Kobe stans context only applies to him. Like how you quoted someone trying to dismantle an argument based on Kobe's run as the undisputed best player and put up a picture that encompasses his entire career (Shaq era), not only that, but once again outdated. Why? Because context only works when it favors Kobe.

We know numbers don't tell the ENTIRE story but they tell enough for a foundation. At this point most people outside of y'all have LeBron's body of work plus his ability over Kobe's body of work plus his ability. Numbers not all-encompassing but included.

All things considered, Kobe Bryant is a top 10 player of all-time. Not top 5 let alone 3 or only behind Jordan like some of y'all want.

Yes. Stephen Jackson clearly did. And if you couldn't tell Jim Jackson also felt Kobe was better after arguing that cac for 10+ minutes then you must not be very smart. I also forgot to include Kenyon Martin. He was on Undisputed last year and said Kobe was better than LeBron as well.
 
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even if kobe made him better (which he didn't because kobe is a ball hog, attention hog, most FGs missed in NBA history egomaniac), how does that negate the fact that he still played better than Love? :jbhmm:

You gotta be someone's alternate account. Cause you can't be this retarded.

Gasol played better because Kobe doesn't detract from his teammates like LeBron. LeBron plays a style of ball that reduces his teammates to standing out in the perimeter. Kobe let Gasol be Gasol. And because Kobe attracts so much attention from the defense he allowed Gasol to prosper in single coverage.
 

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Yes. Stephen Jackson clearly did. And if you couldn't tell Jim Jackson also felt Kobe was better after arguing that cac for 10+ minutes then you must not be very smart. I also forgot to include Kenyon Martin. He was on Undisputed last year and said Kobe was better than LeBron as well.
Jim Jackson should've said what he felt instead of making implications. He entered Kobe's name into the conversation yet never stood firm on the idea of Kobe actually being better. He has no reason to hold his tongue.

Stephen Jackson's preference for Kobe was about the "Mamba Mentality" which has been proven on here more than once to be fallacy/ineffective. A reputation without substance. So once again, style over substance. And he was also able to give LeBron praise which is something Kobe stans are allergic to.

Plenty of greats in recent years have LeBron over Kobe. So basically "solid starters" are still agreeing with you while ATGs are saying otherwise.
 
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You gotta be someone's alternate account. Cause you can't be this retarded.

Gasol played better because Kobe doesn't detract from his teammates like LeBron. LeBron plays a style of ball that reduces his teammates to standing out in the perimeter. Kobe let Gasol be Gasol. And because Kobe attracts so much attention from the defense he allowed Gasol to prosper in single coverage.
:deadmanny:Y’all laker fans are next level. Waiting a year to bring up some vague only-tell-a-part of the story ass stats to try to revise history into Kobe not holding on to the ball 90% of the lakers possessions.

If y’all wanted to know, the reason laker fans hate lebron is because while they were trying to convince everyone that Kobe was better than Jordan, 21 year old bron passed Kobe. Then laker fans got heated as fukk when people started to recognize it.
 

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Jim Jackson should've said what he felt instead of making implications. He entered Kobe's name into the conversation yet never stood firm on the idea of Kobe actually being better. He has no reason to hold his tongue.

Stephen Jackson's preference for Kobe was about the "Mamba Mentality" which has been proven on here more than once to be fallacy/ineffective. A reputation without substance. So once again, style over substance. And he was also able to give LeBron praise which is something Kobe stans are allergic to.

Plenty of greats in recent years have LeBron over Kobe. So basically "solid starters" are still agreeing with you while ATGs are saying otherwise.
And Stephen Jackson just trying to be relevant as an analysts by taking subtle shots at LeBron. Nicca was a journeyman, nothing he says should be taken seriously
 

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Pau Gasol (before he joined Kobe), according to stats, which I'm told by LeBron stans is how to "objectively" judge a player, is a worse basketball player than Kevin Love (before he joined LeBron).

Here are the OBJECTIVE and UNBIASED numbers for all to see.

Kevin Love (Per 36 mins) on Minnesota (6 seasons): Kevin Love Stats | Basketball-Reference.com
21.1 PPG (56.6 TS%)
13.4 RPG

2.7 APG
0.7 SPG
0.5 BPG
23.2 PER
- 3-time NBA All-Star
- 2nd team All-NBA (2x)


Pau Gasol (Per 36 mins) on Memphis (7 seasons): Pau Gasol Stats | Basketball-Reference.com
19.1 PPG (56.6 TS%)
8.7 RPG
3.1 APG
0.5 SPG
1.9 BPG
21.6 PER
- 1-time NBA All-Star
- no All-NBA selections

Looking at the numbers, there is a clear edge to Kevin Love in almost every category outside of blocks and assists. The advanced stats like PER also favor Kevin Love over Pau Gasol (23.2 vs 21.6). Also when you look at the awards (like All-Star and All-NBA selections), they also favor Kevin Love over Pau Gasol. Before joining Kobe, Pau was a 1-time All-Star and never made an All-NBA team. While Kevin Love (before joining LeBron) was a 3-time All-Star and 2-time All-NBA 2nd team selection.

LeBron has zero excuses to not a ring this year if we're to believe that he's better than Kobe as his stans always say. Kobe took a worse player statistically than Kevin Love to 3 straight finals and won back to back rings. If Kobe can win 2 rings with just Pau Gasol, LeBron has no excuse for not winning with just Kevin Love.
I don't know whats going on here but if you're implying Kobe's teams were equal or lesser than Lebron's teams I have to slap ya mama, ya baby mama, and any female witnesses so that they can run and tell the others
 
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