Let's Be Honest, Hulk Hogan is/was a WAYYYYYYYYY bigger star than Steve Austin

[Black Thunder]

back in the day, you couldn't just go online and buy a damn hulk hogan t-shirt, you had to buy a ticket to the show just to get to the merch and then buy a damn hogan shirt

steve austin was only a draw for 3 years (97-2000) and you wanna know how I can say that? because usually when a motherfukker is still drawing they dont try and turn him heel or fukk with his character, they turned austin heel in 2001, and kevin kelly said they were supposed to do it in 2000

same thing happened with goldberg, motherfukker only drew for 2 years then they tried to turn him heel

hulk hogan was on top from 1985-1996 as a babyface, then on top from 96-99 as a heel, then on top as a babyface from 2001-2003

nikkas shyt on hogan's movie appearances or what not, but his rocky 3 appearance is and will always be better known than austin's role in the expendables OR any of the 10,000 c-movies he's doing or done

and last but not least wrestlemania 19, hulk hogan main evented while austin had a throwaway midcard match against fellow drunk scotch hall

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

What?

 

[Alexander The Great]

this isn't a debate. Hulk Hogan is a legit American Icon

 

[krackdagawd]

I would rather watch ANY Austin match over a Hogan match.

I don't really care about all that other stuff.

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

I would rather watch ANY Austin match over a Hogan match.

I don't really care about all that other stuff.

Basically. Someone will come up with the facts to argue this. Till then ill make the popcorn.

 

[Black Thunder]

Basically. Someone will come up with the facts to argue this. Till then ill make the popcorn.

that's all fine and well, but there's nothing to debate because everything I said is fact not opinion

did austin not turn heel in 2001??

did they not turn goldberg heel in 2000??

did you have the option to buy hulk hogan merch online in 87??

is rocky 3 not a bigger picture than the expendables??

did hulk hogan not main event over steve austin at wrestlemania 19??

hell brooke hogan joining tna got more press than austins tv show and last 4 movies combined

 

[R=G]

Well he didn't main event over Austin at WM 19 but he definitely was ahead on the card at WM 18 which is what that show revolved around.

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

that's all fine and well, but there's nothing to debate because everything I said is fact not opinion

did austin not turn heel in 2001??

did they not turn goldberg heel in 2000??

did you have the option to buy hulk hogan merch online in 87??

is rocky 3 not a bigger picture than the expendables??

did hulk hogan not main event over steve austin at wrestlemania 19??

hell brooke hogan joining tna got more press than austins tv show and last 4 movies combined

Breh i know for a fact that Expendables made more than Rocky 3. By at least 100 mil.

Not that it matters since:

1. Hogan was barely in the movie and it didnt revolve around him.

2. Hogan was not even American Hero Hogan for another year or two after its release.

3. It proves if anything Sylvester Stallone movies are the draw since hes the common denominator.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

DON'T EVEN ASK ME HOW, BROTHER!

 

[TrueEpic08]

Bad thread, or at least bad reasoning for making this thread.

Do you know one of the biggest reasons why Austin turned back face IMMEDIATELY after Survivor Series 2001? Merchandising royalties. He was still one of the biggest sellers (and, in fact, is the biggest merchandise seller in the history of at least North American wrestling. Someone fact check that for me, just to make sure) that they had. Turning him heel, just like when they turned Goldberg heel, was a purely creative decision that ended up not working out for a myriad of reasons. One of which was the fact that Austin was VERY unhappy with his diminished royalty checks, since he wasn't selling as much merch as a heel. It has nothing to do with him being a worse face or lesser star than Hogan.

Speaking of Hogan, he was stale in 1991, and did next to nothing for WCW when he got there in 1994. He had to turn heel because the crowds had turned on him so badly and they couldn't make the money needed to pay his contract as a face.

I'll give you the movies, but let's not name all 500 of Hogan's flops in film, TV, and cuisine (PASTAMANIA!), among other things.

 

[COQWAVE]

There's also the fact austins and hogans a certified bum

 

[R=G]

Bad thread, or at least bad reasoning for making this thread.

Do you know one of the biggest reasons why Austin turned back face IMMEDIATELY after Survivor Series 2001? Merchandising royalties. He was still one of the biggest sellers (and, in fact, is the biggest merchandise seller in the history of at least North American wrestling. Someone fact check that for me, just to make sure) that they had. Turning him heel, just like when they turned Goldberg heel, was a purely creative decision that ended up not working out for a myriad of reasons. One of which was the fact that Austin was VERY unhappy with his diminished royalty checks, since he wasn't selling as much merch as a heel. It has nothing to do with him being a worse face or lesser star than Hogan.

Speaking of Hogan, he was stale in 1991, and did next to nothing for WCW when he got there in 1994. He had to turn heel because the crowds had turned on him so badly and they couldn't make the money needed to pay his contract as a face.

I'll give you the movies, but let's not name all 500 of Hogan's flops in film, TV, and cuisine (PASTAMANIA!), among other things.

Hold on..Austin has spoken about this over and over again over the last 10 years. He wanted to turn heel because he thought he was getting stale..not sure if he wanted that had he not gotten the injury time out in 99 but he definitely was behind the heel turn and in retrospect, he didn't like how it came out.

Hogan's contract was backed by Turner...he would of got paid no matter what He turned heel because he didn't like those "Hogan SUCKS" signs and diminished pops when his music hit in 1995 heading into 1996. Felt like he was losing his iconic momentum. So turning heel was a brave new move and of course it paid endless dividends for other faces, for Nash and Hall, for Bischoff, for the company, for Sting..everyone.

 

[DocZulu]

Hulk Hogan was bigger than wrestling when he was in his prime. He put the entire industry in the limelight. Hogan exuded the romance of the 1980's like no other wrestler.

But Austin did more for wrestling than Hogan. Austin brought the industry into a new era, and it is no coincidence that his momentum started in ECW.

Austin created the environment for 90's ear stars like Rock, Undertaker, Triple H and the Radicals. If you only remember the Austin that said "what" then you really missed out.

Austin was a "Draw" before he even won the World Title. He, like Hogan, became bigger than his industry. In fact, he was giving new life to worn out characters like Undertaker, Kane, Shawn and the entire Hart family. And, real talk, Bret Hart is my dude, but truth is truth.

Finally, everyone knows that Goldberg was a direct ripoff of Austin, and that he was designed to steal momentum back WCW's way. But folks need to remember that the entire indutry "talked" like Austina and had a swagger like Austin. It wasn't just about using the word "ass" it was about an entire era that surrounded his "Attitude".

 

[TrueEpic08]

Hold on..Austin has spoken about this over and over again over the last 10 years. He wanted to turn heel because he thought he was getting stale..not sure if he wanted that had he not gotten the injury time out in 99 but he definitely was behind the heel turn and in retrospect, he didn't like how it came out.

Hogan's contract was backed by Turner...he would of got paid no matter what He turned heel because he didn't like those "Hogan SUCKS" signs and diminished pops when his music hit in 1995 heading into 1996. Felt like he was losing his iconic momentum. So turning heel was a brave new move and of course it paid endless dividends for other faces, for Nash and Hall, for Bischoff, for the company, for Sting..everyone.

Oh, I know he wanted to turn heel, I never meant to imply otherwise. All I was saying was that he was still selling googols of merch and that once he STOPPED selling googols of merch, and just sold large amounts of it, that's when he started having problems with the heel turn. I was using that as an example of the fact that he didn't really HAVE to turn heel at all. And when I said "Purely Creative Decision," I meant that it had little to do with his marketability. Austin wanting to do it is still a "Purely Creative Decision."

As for Hogan, you're right about Turner picking up his contract. Doesn't mean that it did anything for WCW proper. They still lost a ton of money on his contract in those first years that didn't get recouped until he turned heel and he was still stale starting in 1991.

 

[Tommy Fits]

When it comes to quality of work Austin >>> Hogan. But Hogan is the bigger star and I don't think it's close. Hogan made it possible to for stars like Austin and the Rock to exist. Most not wrestling fans, when they think pro wrestling, Hogan's name is probably the first to come to mind. Like Jordan to Basketball and Gretzky to Hockey, that's what Hogan means to wrestling.