Let us relive this classic: Mike Tyson vs Razor Ruddock 1

[David_TheMan]

So 85-95 with only 1 L To Buster Douglas is not a decade worth of dominance to you? Even with the Buster Douglas Loss, his mom had just died...he was on a mission...and the corner took that fight lightly. Spinks & Holmes (legend) were names, so they have to be counted, regardless of where they were in their careers. Because if that's the case, Floyd vs Oscar, Shane, Zab, Gotti were all shells of their former selves when they fought Floyd. I said nothing about popularity. All I said was that if they were "no ones" when he fought them, he made sure to dismantle them quickly instead of having a 5-7 round bout with a no one. His speed & power was practically unmatched.

DO I think he would've beat Lennox in prime? Nope...Lennox was too long and would in no way let Tyson as close as Tyson wanted to be to do serious damage. Evander in prime like it was supposed to happen, I've always been 50-50 with that. When they finally did fight, Mike was nowhere near as quick as he used to be, he would just stand and swing...but in the early rounds, every blow from Mike was sending Evander back a couple of feet. However, Evander had poise, plus those tactics.

Who was he fighting after 90?
He was arrested in 91 and in jail until 95, so to claim a period from 85 - 95 is one of the dumbest and openly dishonest claims I've ever seen.
Stop the bullshyt with Buster Douglass, Buster got KO'd because of a long count he got up and Mike faded and got knocked out, simple really, it isn't any more than that.
Spinks was a legend at Lt Heavy, he wasn't a legend at HW and on top of that I'd say he got some questionable decisions against Holmes. Who was faded at the time.
An ever older holmes than the faded one who got robbed against Spinks is what you are trying to hang your hat on? SMH. Stop man you are embarassing yourself.

You will get no argument from me that Floyd doesn't have a lot of wins vs ATGs on his resume, like another poster said, Floyd didn't lose though.

Tyson fought no ATGs in their prime and actually won, simple fact. Lennox beat him, Holyfield beat him twice, and if they would have fought in 91 like they were supposed to, it would have been the same result.

 

[David_TheMan]

No it isn't.
But if you wanna get into a pissing contest over it, be my guest.

How isn't it, both grew up without one parent, both of Andre's parents were drug addicts, his dad was a heroin addict, his mom left the house as a child, and he was raised a great deal by his trainer, Virgil, just like Cus took Mike in after his mom died.

If that isn't good enough we can go with Manny Paciaqou growing up on the street eating dog, homeless, and fighting to eat.

f you want to claim you aint talking about 3rd world people, I'll give you b-hop, sugar ray robinson, and joe Louis.

 

[Manuel Hot Pepper Lopez]

Even after Cus dieded his boxing team kept Mike on point. Jimmy Jacobs kept the sharks away and Kevin Rooney had him technically sound and very hard to hit on defense. No way Ruddock is hitting 85-88 Tyson like he was hitting him. Dudes with jabs like James Tillis gave him more trouble than others, but it wasn't like a truly prime Mike was actually in real danger of getting hurt or losing against them
Did anybody here actually read Tyson's book? He lost his love for boxing when Cus died, but kept going to get the championship they trained for. Then Jacobs dying hit him hard too and he actually wanted to retire in 88. But making 100's of millions was more motivation than the actual boxing. Then firing Rooney after the Spinks fight and you can tell the difference in Tyson as fighter as the fall off came gradually

 

[Antdrewjosh]

Even after Cus dieded his boxing team kept Mike on point. Jimmy Jacobs kept the sharks away and Kevin Rooney had him technically sound and very hard to hit on defense. No way Ruddock is hitting 85-88 Tyson like he was hitting him. Dudes with jabs like James Tillis gave him more trouble than others, but it wasn't like a truly prime Mike was actually in real danger of getting hurt or losing against them
Did anybody here actually read Tyson's book? He lost his love for boxing when Cus died, but kept going to get the championship they trained for. Then Jacobs dying hit him hard too and he actually wanted to retire in 88. But making 100's of millions was more motivation than the actual boxing. Then firing Rooney after the Spinks fight and you can tell the difference in Tyson as fighter as the fall off came gradually

Again you can't be great if you don't have self discipline. Mental toughness. If you cant push yourself you arent great. Cus this Cus that. I dont hear people saying Angelo Dundee is responsible for Ali greatness or Sugar's. Boxing isnt just who hits the hardest. If yall wanna say he is one if the hardest hitters ever great. Best heavyweight ever naw

 

[patscorpio]

the one thing mike did was effectively clean out the division..there hadn't been an undisputed champion before him since leon spinks and he unified all the belts..he ruled the heavies in the late 80s

 

[Remote]

Even after Cus dieded his boxing team kept Mike on point. Jimmy Jacobs kept the sharks away and Kevin Rooney had him technically sound and very hard to hit on defense. No way Ruddock is hitting 85-88 Tyson like he was hitting him. Dudes with jabs like James Tillis gave him more trouble than others, but it wasn't like a truly prime Mike was actually in real danger of getting hurt or losing against them
Did anybody here actually read Tyson's book? He lost his love for boxing when Cus died, but kept going to get the championship they trained for. Then Jacobs dying hit him hard too and he actually wanted to retire in 88. But making 100's of millions was more motivation than the actual boxing. Then firing Rooney after the Spinks fight and you can tell the difference in Tyson as fighter as the fall off came gradually

These dudes don't read breh



Great book too

 

[Manuel Hot Pepper Lopez]

Again you can't be great if you don't have self discipline. Mental toughness. If you cant push yourself you arent great. Cus this Cus that. I dont hear people saying Angelo Dundee is responsible for Ali greatness or Sugar's. Boxing isnt just who hits the hardest. If yall wanna say he is one if the hardest hitters ever great. Best heavyweight ever naw

I don't think he was the greatest ever, but good points. Would have been great to see what he could have done had he stayed focused and not fired Rooney, but we'll never know.
What we do know is when he was focused and did stay with what Cus & Rooney taught him, no one beat him. And contrary to popular belief there were fighters that were not afraid of him and tried to bang with him in 85-88, and he sat them down.

The two Razor fights he closer to his prime than he wasLewis/Holyfield, but was coked out and lazy training, took bombs to the face and body and still good enough to beat him twice. I think that's actually more impressive than being a reason to label him as overrated

 

[Antdrewjosh]

7/21/1989 Carl Williams Win TKO, 1
2/25/1989 Frank Bruno Win TKO, 5
6/27/1988 Michael Spinks Win KO, 1
3/21/1988 Tony Tubbs Win TKO, 2
1/22/1988 Larry Holmes Win TKO, 4
10/16/1987 Tyrell Biggs Win TKO, 7
8/01/1987 Tony Tucker Win UD, 12
5/30/1987 Pinklon Thomas Win TKO, 6
3/7/1987 James Smith Win UD, 12
11/22/1986 Trevor Berbick Win TKO, 2
9/06/1986 Alfonzo Ratliff Win TKO, 2
8/17/1986 Jose Ribalta Win TKO, 10
7/26/1986 Marvis Frazier Win KO, 1
7/11/1986 Lorenzo Boyd Win KO, 2
6/28/1986 William Hosea Win KO, 1
6/13/1986 Reggie Gross Win TKO, 1
5/20/1986 Mitch Green Win UD, 10
5/03/1986 James Tillis Win UD, 10
3/10/1986 Steve Zouski Win KO, 3
2/16/1986 Jesse Ferguson Win TKO, 6
1/24/1986 Mike Jameson Win TKO, 5
1/11/1986 David Jaco Win TKO, 1
12/27/1985 Mark Young Win TKO, 1
12/06/1985 Sammy Scaff Win TKO, 1
11/22/1985 Conroy Nelson Win TKO, 2
11/13/1985 Eddie Richardson Win KO, 1
11/01/1985 Sterling Benjamin Win TKO, 1
10/25/1985 Robert Colay Win KO, 1
10/09/1985 Donnie Long Win TKO, 1
9/05/1985 Michael Johnson Win KO, 1
8/15/1985 Lorenzo Canady Win KO, 1
7/19/1985 Larry Sims Win KO, 3
7/11/1985 John Alderson Win RTD, 2
6/20/1985 Ricardo Spain Win TKO, 1
5/23/1985 Don Halpin Win KO, 4
4/10/1985 Trent Singleton Win TKO, 1
3/06/1985 Hector Mercedes Win TKO, 1

 

[Antdrewjosh]

Though Smith became one of the few men to last the entire 12 rounds with Tyson, he offered little offense during the fight, instead constantly grappling with Tyson in an effort to reduce the effectiveness of Tyson's punches. Because of the excessive holding, referee Mills Lane twice took a point away from Smith, first in second round, and then again in the eighth. Smith's best offensive pressure arguably was during the fight's final seconds in which he was able to land a right hand to the head of Tyson. Tyson would earn the victory by way of unanimous decision, winning every round on all three of the judges scorecards. Afterwards, Tyson was critical of Smith's tactics, "When I was trying to put the punches together he grabbed. This hurts boxing. This is show business. People expect a performance"[1]

 

[Antdrewjosh]

Tony Tucker was the only one who didnt lose the fight before he walked into the ring. Hence tough fight

 

[Antdrewjosh]

Half the guys whom claim to know boxing dont know the top guys on that list.

 

[Manuel Hot Pepper Lopez]

Tony Tucker was the only one who didnt lose the fight before he walked into the ring. Hence tough fight

You mean being scared of him? Or just overmatched as fighters?

 

[Remote]

If yall wanna say he is one if the hardest hitters ever great.

That's what I said in the OP

Best heavyweight ever naw

Who is saying this?

 

[Antdrewjosh]

You mean being scared of him? Or just overmatched as fighters?

Being scared of him

 

[Antdrewjosh]

Mike Tyson was in his prime 1984-1992
He was the 4th greatest heavyweight of all time. Only ali Joe Louis and Jack Johnson would beat a prime focus Mike Tyson


Jack Dempsey hell no
Gene tunney hell no
Floyd Patterson hell no
Sonny Liston hell no
Joe frazier hell no
Rocky Marciano hell no.
George foreman hell no
Ernie shavers hell no
Ken Norton hell no
Larry Holmes hell no
Evander holyfield hell no
Lennox Lewis hell no

Razor ruddock was good but couldn't deal with Tyson power

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