Lebron really looks old now

[High quality poster]

I mean MJ led the league in FG attempts 9 times. Lebron has never

That’s normally how it works. The majority of the time the guy who led the league in FG attempts is the scoring leader

ok? Mike is a better scorer at every level. In every situation.

 

[Everythingg]

MJ accrued those accomplishments in the weakest era in NBA history on a team that won upwards to 60 games without him. He wouldn't have half of his accomplishments in the 80s or 2000s.

How about the next season when that "prove we can compete without Jordan" high wore off and they had a losing record up until the Allstar break?


Oh and remember this?

I listed per game stats too.. Both the cumulative stats and per game stats paint Bron as the greater offensive force


And still passed Jordan in total points while taking 1000 less shots and less FTs

Its a flex that a PG averages more assists than a SG? Its a flex that someone the size of PF averaged more Rebs than an average sized SG? You somehow think its a flex that Bron passed MJ in points when he played longer and made 4 times as many 3's than Jordan did while attempting 6/7 times more 3's than MJ did? Its great that you can read but you're just exposing that you can't actually analyze the numbers you're reading .


And the realest flex over the fake ones you put up is a SG (MJ) averaging more blocks than a PF (Bron). Guess you didn't want to go there huh?

 

[Osmosis]

How about the next season when that "prove we can compete without Jordan" high wore off and they had a losing record up until the Allstar break?


Oh and remember this?

Its a flex that a PG averages more assists than a SG? Its a flex that someone the size of PF averaged more Rebs than an average sized SG? You somehow think its a flex that Bron passed MJ in points when he played longer and made 4 times as many 3's than Jordan did while attempting 6/7 times more 3's than MJ did? Its great that you can read but you're just exposing that you can't actually analyze the numbers you're reading .


And the realest flex over the fake ones you put up is a SG (MJ) averaging more blocks than a PF (Bron). Guess you didn't want to go there huh?

Or maybe it’s cause they lost another all-star in Hoarce Grant who went over to Orlando and made them a contender. The 1994 Bulls with Jordan replaced by a scrub named Pete Myers, a rookie Kukoc, and some role players won 55 games and that’s with Pippen missing 11 games.

Imagine the Nuggets replacing Jokic with Alex Len, Dalton Knecht, and some role players and winning 55 games in today’s league



What part of Bron surpassing Jordan in total points despite taking 1000 LESS shots do you not understand? That has nothing to do with him playing longer. He passed him in scoring while shooting less. That doesn’t even get into how much more offense he generated as a passer.

Of course Bron shot more threes, he played in an environment conducive to it. Just like Jordan had illegal defense rules created an environment favorable to iso scoring.

 

[Ozymandeas]

I disagree wholeheartedly. The only thing Bron stans can do is denigrate Jordan's era while never addressing the fact that Jordan, during his championship dominance, separated himself from his contemporaries more than LeBron did - by far.

Secondly, 30 years from now, fans of whoever that current best player is, will say LeBron never play against:
"sophisticated schemes, coaching, and better players across the board" - not realizing that today's information is gathered from yesterday's knowledge.

So, again, you can only fairly judge the legends on how they fared against their contemporaries. To denigrate a previous era is intellectually dishonest and lazy, and the same argument can always be used with the passage of time.

Thirdly, difficult era? Are you serious? the last 8 years of the NBA has been the equivalent of flag football (to quote Stephen A). The league today is as soft as baby wipes. Jordan up until his last chip was regularly driving to the hole against trees and never shied away from contact. Granted, his fadeaway was his go to in his last three-peat, but he still drove a lot, especially in the playoffs.

As far as Bron "having to wear more hats" - total bullshyt. The man CHOSE to wear those hats. Bron has been in the NBA 22 seasons and except for a small stint in Miami, never really learned to play off the ball nor had the inclination to. The man would rather fill the stat sheet and lose, than sacrifice his numbers by playing off the ball a little more and actually win more championships. This is why Bron ball hasn't been as successful against intelligent teams coming out the West, in the Finals. Two of his championships didn't even come from an 82 game season.

Jordan on the other hand, bought into a system from an unknown, unheralded, rookie coach. This rookie coach told him "your numbers are going to decline (points, assists, etc.) but the team will achieve greater success. What would have happened to Phil Jackson if he had approached LeBron with the same proposition? A rookie coach, what would have happened?

Bron stans LOVE the team argument only when it's convenient for them. You ignorantly try to use Jordan's lack of champion success in the 80s as a cudgel against him. Not taking into account that Jordan joined one of the worst teams in the NBA and the organization slowly built a team around him. Once Pippen finally became a star in 1990, Jordan never lost. But Pippen didn't walk on to the floor a star, he developed into one. And Pippen by his very own words stated, at his HOF, speech that he wouldn't have been the player he became had it not been for being able to practice against Jordan every day.

Would LeBron had allowed Pippen to develop? Don't lie to yourself either.

Best defender? AD was the best defender and Wade had more blocks and nearly the same amount of steals during their run together.

Time will hurt his legacy. Once he retires, former and current players will speak out. The man has shown no loyalty to teammates, told Wade he was leaving 5 minutes before he told the rest of the world and then doesn't even show up to his HOF ceremony. He colluded with two franchise players, who happened to be 2 of the top 5 picks of his NBA draft class, again franchise players for their own teams, in the SAME conference, and teams up with them.

Then, when he sees Wade declining, he once again hops back to Cleveland cause he's on Kyrie's dyck, and gets Cleveland to trade Wiggins for Love - who he turns into a spot up shooter.

Then, he goes to LA, and uses his agency to get AD to essentially break a newly signed contract and demands a trade. Then, he gets the FO to sign Westbrook, only to be a passive-aggressive bytch by allowing Westbrook to take all the bullets for the Lakers failures. I can keep going. I've seen LeBron score 8 points in an NBA Finals and I've seen peak LeBron score 7 points in a closeout game in the playoffs against Indiana.

Jordan was truly elite on both ends of the floor. During his time with Pippen, Pippen's defensive numbers were just a tad better than Jordan's defensive numbers. But remember, in the playoffs Pippen had slightly more blocks than Jordan but Jordan had more steals. Pippen was giving you 18ppg on 44% shooting, while Jordan was defensively elite while giving you 33.4ppg on 48.7% from the field.

I don't blame you for your ignorance because by your own admission you been watching the NBA since 1999. I've been watching the NBA since 1988. But I'll tell you this...in the playoffs, when the game was on the line, there was NO ONE opposing fans and players feared more with the ball in his hands than Jordan NO ONE. LeBron has NEVER instilled that same type of fear.

I can keep going, because there's a lot more evidence supporting my position than yours. But I'll chill for now.

I don't argue with Bron Stans because of the bolded.

At the end of the day, Jordan had two three-peats which is damn near impossible to do.

They want him to be looked at as better but he can't even do the things Jordan did. Even one three-peat would've been a plus.

As far as the other bolded, that's why I have alot of respect for Steph, in terms of the newer guys. He built Golden State from nothing like Jordan did.

 

[Roger king]

I was curious to see the actual truth so i looked up tim duncan and kobe bryant final two seasons for comparison. Duncan averaged 11.4 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 2.9 APG, 50.1 FG% over 138 games while kobe averaged 19.8 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 3.8 APG, with a 36 percent FG percentage, duncan lost in the first and second round respetively and kobe couldn't even make the playoffs, the lakers never won above 21 games and were the laughing stock off the league. Yet the fantasy guys propagate on here is that the lakers were playoff and championship caliber teams and was all ruined because of lebron

 

[waltthizzney]

I was curious to see the actual truth so i looked up tim duncan and kobe bryant final two seasons for comparison. Duncan averaged 11.4 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 2.9 APG, 50.1 FG% over 138 games while kobe averaged 19.8 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 3.8 APG, with a 36 percent FG percentage, duncan lost in the first and second round respetively and kobe couldn't even make the playoffs, the lakers never won above 21 games and were the laughing stock off the league. Yet the fantasy guys propagate on here is that the lakers were playoff and championship caliber teams and was all ruined because of lebron

Kobe was hurt and was literally doing the public a favour playing with a bum Achilles and knee in his last year, who cares, his last healthy year he put the team on his back

The 60 piece last game will go down in history and will be remembered more than Brons fake ring will

 

[Nokids]

Swear my thumbs got abs from the scrolling this thread some good points on both sides

But yea Bron had 29 last night

 

[Everythingg]

Or maybe it’s cause they lost another all-star in Hoarce Grant who went over to Orlando and made them a contender. The 1994 Bulls with Jordan replaced by a scrub named Pete Myers, a rookie Kukoc, and some role players won 55 games and that’s with Pippen missing 11 games.

Imagine the Nuggets replacing Jokic with Alex Len, Dalton Knecht, and some role players and winning 55 games in today’s league

Imagine reading stats and and trying to make an argument that losing 1 time Allstar Horace Grant was a greater loss to the Bulls than losing a 6 time MVP


You're showing that you can't analyze and that's okay breh. We'll always need volunteers who can read children's books to the children

What part of Bron surpassing Jordan in total points despite taking 1000 LESS shots do you not understand?

Imagine ignoring he passed him in less shots because he took and made more 3s. Imagine ignoring the fact it took 100+ more games to actually pass Jordan. Imagine ignoring that MJ missed 3 seasons of his prime (2nd season and 2 retirement seasons) that would have made that gap even larger.


Leave the analyzing to the analysts breh

Of course Bron shot more threes, he played in an environment conducive to it. Just like Jordan had illegal defense rules created an environment favorable to iso scoring.

And playing almost half of his career against 4 wings and 1 big man and the 3 second rule being implemented helped create a more favorable environment for modern offenses. Thats why context is needed when discussing players from different eras and not just blindly reading stats. In the end tho, nobody had to tear down Magic or Larry's accomplishments or opposition to prop up MJ. Nobody had to tear down Karl Malone or Charles Barkley's accomplishments to prop up Tim Duncan as being the best of all time either. This only occurs when it comes to discussing Lebron. And the funny thing is don't know it (can't analyze) but you're subconsciously admitting MJ is better every time you take that approach..

 

[Remote]

The Lakers struggling to be a .500 team and blaming the 39 year old, 21 year veteran is Peak LakeShow

 

[Roger king]

The Lakers struggling to be a .500 team and blaming the 39 year old, 21 year veteran is Peak LakeShow

Be careful bro the anti lebron brigade will come out in full force calling you a ''LGBTQ'' or stan or whatever new smear or lingo they come up with this time.
He is the oldest player in the league averaging 22points per game, over 7 rebounds and 9 assists(third in the entire league) while shooting over 49 percent from the field but apparently he is the problem to all issues, meanwhile before bron signed for LA they were the joke of the town and missed the playoffs twice in kobe final two seasons.

 

[Remote]

Be careful bro the anti lebron brigade will come out in full force calling you a ''LGBTQ'' or stan or whatever new smear or lingo they come up with this time.
He is the oldest player in the league average 22points per game, over 7 rebounds and average 9 assists(third in the entire league) while shooting over 49 percent from the field but apparently he is the problem to all issues, meanwhile before bron signed for LA they were the joke of the town and missed the playoffs twice in kobe final two seasons.

Lebron isn't the player he was in 2011.
This is denied by no one. Does he have shortcomings? Yes.

Is he to blame for some of their problems? Sure. He's not a great defender anymore and not nearly as explosive offensively.
Is he to blame for ALL of their problems? Not even close.

Lake Show has always hated Lebron for reasons I don't need to address. And they always find new ways to put Lakers struggles on his shoulders, using batshyt arguments they wouldn't apply to any other player currently in the league or in NBA history.

That's a fact.

 

[Roger king]

Lebron isn't the player he was in 2011.
This is denied by no one. Does he have shortcomings? Yes.

Is he to blame for some of their problems? Sure. He's not a great defender anymore and not nearly as explosive offensively.
Is he to blame for ALL of their problems? Not even close.

Lake Show has always hated Lebron for reasons I don't need to address. And they always find new ways to put Lakers struggles on his shoulders, using batshyt arguments they wouldn't apply to any other player currently in the league or in NBA history.

That's a fact.

All facts brother, we know the real reason for the animus as well, their arguments make no sense or have no logic or coherence at all when the oldest player in the league average 22ppg 7rbs and 9assists is the reason for all problems and issues. The funniest thing about all this to me is if you read such posts and threads the average person would think the lakers were world beaters and constant championship contenders before lebron ''ruined'' the lakers when he signed, in reality, they did not even get to the playoffs and were the last seed in the western conference and the joke of the league

 

[McPiff]

i dont see why not. Steph won a ring with Wiggins as the second best player. in 2021, he played at a higher level than he did in his Unanimous season. Who says he can't win 1 more ring with AD?

sadly cause AD is kinda injury prone.

That would be a dope duo though

 

[Consigliere]

If I’m the opposing team just let Bron get his numbers. Will be a whole bunch of nice box score numbers and blow out losses.

Last night the Heat knew he was going to “go off.” I bet they even planned for it.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

If I’m the opposing team just let Bron get his numbers. Will be a whole bunch of nice box score numbers and blow out losses.

Last night the Heat knew he was going to “go off.” I bet they even planned for it.

People say he went off whenever he gets his stats. I mean good for him but if the team trash then what’s the point of caring?