LeBron is officially cooked. Come pay your respects

[Professor Emeritus]

Go figure. Name a superstar player who's numbers have actually increased with Bron.

Kyrie's #s when Bron joined were better than his numbers the previous year without Bron. The next year he came back from injury slowly and wasn't able to play full minutes until February, but then his 2017 numbers were by far the best of his career. Not to mention that the best postseasons of his career are all alongside Bron as well.

AD's ppg went up slightly the year he joined Bron, his advanced #'s were 3rd-best of his career and he had an even better playoffs.

Wade and Bosh had their ppg go down in reduced roles and were battling injuries 2012-2014, but their shooting #'s were the best of their career.

Even Mo Williams posted career highs and looked like an all-star for the only time in his life when he joined Bron.

See, it was that easy. Now name an all-star whose actual #'s got better next to Kobe, since that's the goalpost you just set. Pau got accolades but his ppg dropped. Dwight was a superstar in his prime but his #'s dropped substantially. Glen Rice was an all-star and the #1 option on a playoff team that advanced to the 2nd round and took a game off MJ, did his #'s go up in LA? Nash, Malone and Payton were more highly regarded when they joined the Lakers than Westbrook was in 2021, you tell me if they got better once Kobe was their teammate?

Bron's #2 guy is Russell Westbrook. The same guy who averaged 22/11/11 last year. The same guy who's been all NBA, MVP winner and candidate for years and somehow has become a liability once he joins LeBron.

So I caught you lying about Monk and Nash and you just switch the goalpost to new lies?

Westbrook didn't make All-Star OR All-NBA last year, despite the stat-padding. So you can't claim he "suddenly" stopped doing those things this year, he was obviously on the decline already and Lakers took a flier on him hoping he'd be better in a limited role. Obviously it was a bad call. When was the last time Westbrook even won a playoff series, 6 years ago?

Chris Bosh's numbers fell off, Wade's numbers fell off, Russ' numbers fell off, AD's numbers fell off. There's a big reason for that and somehow y'all are the only ones who don't want to acknowledge it. This is too easy.

Everyone who goes from being a 1st option to being a 3rd option is going to see a decrease in numbers. Literally everyone knew that Bosh and Westbrook were going to have reduced roles on their new teams.

AD's numbers didn't fall off, his first year with the Lakers he average slightly more ppg than he had the previous year with the Pelicans and overall had the 3rd-best regular season of his entire career by every objective measure and by FAR the best postseason of his career. AD was 6th in MVP voting, 4th in All-NBA votes, and looked even BETTER in the postseason than he had in the regular season.....but according to you he "fell off".

This is why its impossible to have a discussion with liars.

 

[CantStop]

The point is that you nikkas have had the chopper loaded for nearly 10 fukking years to unload on Lebron and prior to the past 2 years his biggest mistake was not winning a finals in 2011.


Meanwhile:

Kobe lost a finals with a super team and a sizeable amount of blame is due to him and shaqs fukkery along with the Nash/Dwight floundering in near identical fashion to this years lakers....

And you nikkas are quiet as church mice about it. But shouting from the rooftops about Lebron being washed

This is why no one takes LeStanleys serious. Comparing that Nash team to this is strange considering Kobe tore his Achilles leading his team to the playoffs while Bron is leading himself to personal accolades and his team to 30 pt losses. You guys obviously don’t care because you guys just follow a man and not a team so team success is secondary to y’all.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

This is why no one takes LeStanleys serious. Comparing that Nash team to this is strange considering Kobe tore his Achilles leading his team to the playoffs while Bron is leading himself to personal accolades and his team to 30 pt losses. You guys obviously don’t care because you guys just follow a man and not a team so team success is secondary to y’all.

You really think the Lakers are gonna win another title soon once Bron retires?

You have confidence in Jeannie, the Rambi and Rob Pelinka?

 

[CantStop]

You really think the Lakers are gonna win another title soon once Bron retires?

You have confidence in Jeannie, the Rambi and Rob Pelinka?

We won before him. In terms of Laker history, Lebron is not even a page in the book. He’s a paragraph. 3 out of 4 seasons has been a disaster. The 1 season was a Disney ring which is now proven to be an outlier.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

We won before him. In terms of Laker history, Lebron is not even a page in the book. He’s a chapter. 3 out of 4 seasons has been a disaster. The 1 season was a Disney ring which is now proven to be an outlier.

See this shyt right here proves that you’re just delusional and you just hate this guy. You hated him when Kobe was playing



You don’t have Jerry West and Dr. Buss pulling the strings anymore…

You talking about HISTORY. What happened in THE PAST…

You dismissed the 2020 title

Dawg you sound ridiculous

What about now????

Jeannie Buss gonna get you more titles??

 

[Osmosis]

he’s not even trying at all for most of the game though. Nobody’s expecting first team all defense but he’s literally watching everyone else out there. And if he’s that guy, the leader of the team, that’s unacceptable.

again the suns without cp n cam Johnson, with the bench playing the entire 4th quarter, just scored the highest points since 2009. Players were literally wide open. The suns as a team only shot 14 FTs the entire game. That’s very telling……….

Bron at 36 was part of the best defensive unit in the league. He was playing more defense than most players play in their 18th season. The "LEBRON IS PLAYING NO DEFENSE " crowd would find something else to complain about if he was exerting all of his energy towards that end. The Lakers are a team with no bigs and no wings, of course they suck on defense Lebron giving his all on that end isn't changing shyt.

 

[LexDiamonds]

You keep exposing yourself as a casual.

that same line of thought is along the lines of saying Drummond is a good defender because he averages x amount of blocks. Kemba Walker has 2 less charges drawn than Bron in 12 less games. Kemba might as well be prime Gary Payton using your logic.

just stop while you're ahead please. You're throwing shyt at the wall hoping one of your arguments stick.

Go ask any Laker fan right now if Bron plays defense. Actually, just go ask an NBA fan. Funny how Bron fans are the only one saying he's giving effort.

For as bad as Lebron's effort looks at times, especially in transition defense, the fact is he is still a net positive on defense.

He has an individual DBPM of 1.1 which is still positive.

His defensive rating is 109 while the Lakers team as a whole is 111.6 (Lower is better)

His defensive fg percentage is 42.1% which is -4.6% lower than the average. So in totality, he's not hurting the team. We can definitely nitpick moments where he has his lapses but overall his presence helps.

Also, its unfair to compare Lebron at 37 to Kobe at 34. Those three years are a big deal physically in the NBA especially since we all remember how Kobe looked at 37.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This man said Artest. all you're doing is reading basketball reference and passing it off as knowledge.

Artest's defense was fukking trash. ask any Laker fan in the thread. Artest's defense as a Laker was only great the year he came in 2010 and then he massively fell off but like I said, you're a casual and a Lebron stan so it equates to the same thing.

Hmmm, maybe I can ask some poster named "CantStop" who posted on here in 2013:

Yup, our D is pure trash and it has a lot to do with Kobe and Pau. Morris, Dwight and Artest hold their own.

2013: "Artest holds his own on defense, the problem is Kobe."

2022: "Artest's defense was trash! Only a LeBron stan casual would claim otherwise."

 

[Osmosis]

Bron's #2 guy is Russell Westbrook. The same guy who averaged 22/11/11 last year. The same guy who's been all NBA, MVP winner and candidate for years and somehow has become a liability once he joins LeBron. Go figure. Name a superstar player who's numbers have actually increased with Bron. Chris Bosh's numbers fell off, Wade's numbers fell off, Russ' numbers fell off, AD's numbers fell off. There's a big reason for that and somehow y'all are the only ones who don't want to acknowledge it. This is too easy.

Lebron is the only player who can make legitimate superstars look worse while Kobe makes guys like Pau have HOF careers.

Kyrie and AD both had some of their best seasons with Bron, Wade's numbers with Bron were similar to his prime numbers when he was healthy, and Love's numbers have gotten worse since playing with Bron. Blaming Bron for Westbrook is like blaming Kobe for Howard's numbers decreasing in 2013.

 

[CantStop]

Hmmm, maybe I can ask some poster named "CantStop" who posted on here in 2013:



2013: "Artest holds his own on defense, the problem is Kobe."

2022: "Artest's defense was trash! Only a LeBron stan casual would claim otherwise."

You’re so fukking stupid that

a) you quoted a post in 2012 and LIED and said it was 2013 to manipulate your point

b) showed me being someone who is fair and can criticize the franchise player

so not only are you so furious that you searching furiously posts from 10 years ago but you’re also a liar who somehow makes me look good in the process.

 

[CantStop]

Kyrie and AD both had some of their best seasons with Bron, Wade's numbers with Bron were similar to his prime numbers when he was healthy, and Love's numbers have gotten worse since playing with Bron. Blaming Bron for Westbrook is like blaming Kobe for Howard's numbers decreasing in 2013.

No we can blame Dwight’s numbers on Dwight because Kobe has made every big he’s played with look great, Shaq, Pau and even Kwame had career years with Kobe. Meanwhile Dwight played for half the league after his Laker stint because he was too stubborn to do what he was intended to. Don’t believe me, ask Steve Nash. Next.

 

[LexDiamonds]

Kyrie's #s when Bron joined were better than his numbers the previous year without Bron. The next year he came back from injury slowly and wasn't able to play full minutes until February, but then his 2017 numbers were by far the best of his career. Not to mention that the best postseasons of his career are all alongside Bron as well.

AD's ppg went up slightly the year he joined Bron, his advanced #'s were 3rd-best of his career and he had an even better playoffs.

Wade and Bosh had their ppg go down in reduced roles and were battling injuries 2012-2014, but their shooting #'s were the best of their career.

Even Mo Williams posted career highs and looked like an all-star for the only time in his life when he joined Bron.

See, it was that easy. Now name an all-star whose actual #'s got better next to Kobe, since that's the goalpost you just set. Pau got accolades but his ppg dropped. Dwight was a superstar in his prime but his #'s dropped substantially. Glen Rice was an all-star and the #1 option on a playoff team that advanced to the 2nd round and took a game off MJ, did his #'s go up in LA? Nash, Malone and Payton were more highly regarded when they joined the Lakers than Westbrook was in 2021, you tell me if they got better once Kobe was their teammate?





So I caught you lying about Monk and Nash and you just switch the goalpost to new lies?

Westbrook didn't make All-Star OR All-NBA last year, despite the stat-padding. So you can't claim he "suddenly" stopped doing those things this year, he was obviously on the decline already and Lakers took a flier on him hoping he'd be better in a limited role. Obviously it was a bad call. When was the last time Westbrook even won a playoff series, 6 years ago?







Everyone who goes from being a 1st option to being a 3rd option is going to see a decrease in numbers. Literally everyone knew that Bosh and Westbrook were going to have reduced roles on their new teams.

AD's numbers didn't fall off, his first year with the Lakers he average slightly more ppg than he had the previous year with the Pelicans and overall had the 3rd-best regular season of his entire career by every objective measure and by FAR the best postseason of his career. AD was 6th in MVP voting, 4th in All-NBA votes, and looked even BETTER in the postseason than he had in the regular season.....but according to you he "fell off".

This is why its impossible to have a discussion with liars.

When his co-stars numbers are good than it's they carried Lebron. When their numbers are lower, than it's Lebron hindered them.

People always point out Bosh, Love, Davis, Westbrook putting up big numbers on losing teams, then when they join Lebron their counting numbers drop in a smaller role. Obviously it's easier butting up numbers on some bum team that no one watches, has zero expectations vs getting every opponents best effort on national TV every night.

When Westbrook was in Washington was anyone watching him? seriously? On Lebron's team every single game is discussed on every sports talk show daily regardless of who they play. Of course some of these guys mentally crumble.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

See the real shyt too is LeBron is just superior to Kobe as a basketball player in every way that’s the issue these Kobe acolytes have


He’s better then Kobe ever was

“Bu Bu Bu Bu Allen Iverson says Kobe is just as good as Mike if he said it then it must be true “



By every metric LeBron James was and is the superior player…

 

[Trojan 24]

Ring chasing thot that led EVERY SINGLE TEAM he played on to chips as the best player


I hate the Coli

He did lead them, but was he a ring chasing thot or not?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yup, our D is pure trash and it has a lot to do with Kobe and Pau. Morris, Dwight and Artest hold their own.

You’re so fukking stupid that

a) you quoted a post in 2012 and LIED and said it was 2013 to manipulate your point

That's the 2012-13 season, dumbass. Everyone calls that the 2013 season. You literally have a post in THIS THREAD saying that's the 2013 season.

The 2013-2014 Lakers finished 27-55…

That’s the 2013 season

You’re talking the 2012-2013 team which was the 2012 record

Nah Bron Stans trolling at this point.

so using your logic, this would the 2021 season?

So which season is the 2013 season to you? You have comments in this thread claiming that BOTH seasons aren't the 2013 season.



Artest's defense in 2013 was just fine and YOU said so at the time. I literally quoted you saying it yourself and now you want to claim that that's not the 2013 season anymore?

Well if you don't believe your own words, let's check Laker media:

Don't believe me? 82games.com keeps track of a player's effect on team defense by measuring the team's defensive efficiency when the player is on and off the court. For example, take Dwight Howard, who is unsurprisingly the team's best defender. When Dwight is on the court, the Lakers give up 105.1 points per 100 possessions. When he is off the court, the Lakers give up 111.7, so Dwight's net defensive rating is -6.6. Metta World Peace's net is a strong -5.4. Steve Nash makes the defense worse with a net of +1.4. Where does Kobe stand? +3.2. Yes, he's worse than Nash. His net is matched by Antawn Jamison. Only Earl Clark's surprising +3.9 (no doubt skewed by his on-again, off-again participation in the rotation) prevents Kobe from being, statistically, the worst defender on the team.

Kobe's hypocrisy knows no bounds



Hmmm....so Dwight and Artest were playing great defense in 2013, and Kobe was one of the worst on the team. But you claimed Artest was ass after 2010.....even though I have quotes of you from the 2012-13 season saying that Artest was playing fine on defense and Kobe was the problem. Hmmm...