LeBron has now lost 4 Finals series

[Black_Jesus]

What kinda fukk shyt is this?? We cant hate on a loser now??

 

[Stone]

I'd say it is a valid method, but it just isn't the end all be all.

 

[JYoung24]

Say someone was covered one on one when they actually had a second defender shading them over half the time brehs

Nah I didnt see none of that the only game u can say that is game 4 and u see how that turned out

 

[PTBG]

You gotta give it to Bron, he has made the media and fans try to drown out the rings and the finals losses arguments, making him the only player to have this exception ever. Everything was much more simplier before Bron's finals troubles, you win, you get the credit, you lose, you get all the blame. Why Bron getting this benefit of the doubt nobody before him had? If we saying rings and finals losses are irrelevant and is solely team awards, than Karl Malone is the real GOAT PF, he got the same amount of MVPs as Duncan and is the 2nd leading scorer in NBA history, not his fault Malone didn't play with a franchise like the Spurs. I been saying this for a minute, but no answers.

 

[VegasCAC]

I'd say it is a valid method, but it just isn't the end all be all.

A championship is ultimately the result of TEAM and ORGANIZATIONAL excellence, not individual excellence.

 

[ManBearPig]

Jr smith had good some good years with the knicks and he went from being second option on the knicks to 4th option and mosgov was showing promise on the nuggets and they didnt have love in the semifinals but they had him during the regular season u acting like this is the same cleavland roster from last year

This thread is aimed at LBJ losing in the Finals.

Love and Kyrie combined for almost 40 points. That's like the Warriors playing without Klay and then some

 

[jackswstd]

yeah he might, with about 3 different teams and a 2-9 record.

 

[JYoung24]

semi impressive. until you realized he ran to another team for help before even getting to the point where father time was creeping up on him(pierce, allen, kg or Gp/Malone to the lakers), So what this say is this. If karl malone and stockton would've ran to the lakers in their prime. how many rings would they have?

what if reggie miller would've ran down to miami with Zo and tim hardaway, shoot, that could've taken out the jordan bulls at least one year.

We look at malone, stockton, even Barkely as greats but not as great AS...these other guys who were greats but also won it all. But what they did is stay with their respective teams and win anyway. sure said teams was loaded at least with another legend. but thats the way it has worked. if you think lebron is a top 10 just off the strength he ran to south beach to be with a guy who won one already(its not like he went to teach wade how to win), then do you even give his 2 rings the same love you do say for hakeem living on houston without other legends on his team and yet he still got 2 rings? he didnt run from the adversity.

so now bron leaves and goes some where that has never won in recent memory. yet he only wants to be there if his team is loaded with at minimum 2 more superstars. and some how i'm supposed to give him all of this credit. aint happening. he's a great player based on the stats. but i will never give him all the extra love i give other guys who have gone thru the fire to win it all on their original teams or atleast the team they were traded to or signed with didnt already have a superstar ring wearing legend on the team(dwade).

and again, i dare lebron to leave the east and that weak conference. you put 2 superstars together in the east and its an Auto bid to the eastern conf finals.

the wizards have john wall as their lone star player.

atl technically doesnt have any true stars. they are all very good players. and they were #1. that tells you how weak the east really is.

you put Aldridge and Lillard together in the east. i can guarantee you they will be in the ECF's.

shoot, that dysfunctional laker team with kobe, dwight, old man nash, etc from a couple of years ago would've been in the ECF's if they had the luxury of playing in the east.

So i cant give bron brownie points for getting to the finals when you may only have one serious series to face every single year.

this is why a stat like bron has made it to the finals "X" number of times is misleading. how hard was his road to the finals those times? every time it was an easy trip. not because he is so skilled or so great. but because his comp is terrible for the most part.

yall do realize the cavs would not have beaten a healthy paul george with stevenson and the pacers right? yall do realize he would not have made it to the finals if that were to have happen.

when the lakers use to spank the nets in the finals it was hell for them to get out of the west. so then when you saq kobe/shaq went to the finals x number of times. it means something special.

Prolific post

 

[VegasCAC]

You gotta give it to Bron, he has made the media and fans try to drown out the rings and the finals losses arguments, making him the only player to have this exception ever. Everything was much more simplier before Bron's finals troubles, you win, you get the credit, you lose, you get all the blame. Why Bron getting this benefit of the doubt nobody before him had? If we saying rings and finals losses are irrelevant and is solely team awards, than Karl Malone is the real GOAT PF, he got the same amount of MVPs as Duncan and is the 2nd leading scorer in NBA history, not his fault Malone didn't play with a franchise like the Spurs. Bron stans/media can't answer this for some reason.

Karl Malone is vastly underrated. IMO he should definitely be in the discussion with Duncan with best PF ever. This isn't a popular sentiment, but it's certainly a logical one when looking at their individual resumes.

 

[Swagnificent]

My point is that their "impact" isn't enough to win a title when other factors aren't up to par. A superstar player is just one (but certainly important) cog that drives a championship "machine".

true. but a true superstar should eventually win. even kobe missed the playoffs and got bounced in the 1st round during his prime cause his teammates were ass. but the second you teammed him with another half-way decent player, he was in the finals winning rings.

in the nba, a superstar + all-star should be enough to win rings. if you can't accomplish this, then you must not be that good.

 

[JLova]

for nba superstars and nfl quarterbacks YES IT IS. in the nba, there's only 10 guys on the court at each time. superstars can have a huge impact. same with QBs touching the ball every play.

Stop this nonsense...especially the bolded.

 

[Swagnificent]

A championship is ultimately the result of TEAM and ORGANIZATIONAL excellence, not individual excellence.

so you just wanna judge guys just on stats. u wanna call kevin love a SUPERSTAR and all-time great cause he drops 26/14 a night on a lottery team?

listen breh. you play to win the games (as herm eloquently put it). if you ain't winnin, then what you do individually doesn't matter.

 

[Swagnificent]

Stop this nonsense...especially the bolded.

elite QBs seem to make the playoffs every year regardless who is around them. see Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Aaron rogers.

 

[Sccit]

IT'S A COMBINATION OF RINGS AND INDIVIDUAL ACCOLADES. NOT ONE OR THE OTHER. SIMPLE SCIENCE.

 

[VegasCAC]

in the nba, a superstar + all-star should be enough to win rings. if you can't accomplish this, then you must not be that good.

This is a big generalization and it's not true. Again, you're reducing titles
to the actions of only one or two players. Just like winning a championship shouldn't all be credited to one player, losing one shouldn't either. You can be good as an individual while your team and organization is losing.