If Malone was the best PF ever, he should of had no trouble winning a title with the 2nd best PG ever. Everyone will use the Jordan excuse, but the Mailman and Stockton couldn't even win a title when Jordan went on "vacation" for 2 seasons when the NBA was for any teams taking.
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If Malone was the best PF ever, he should of had no trouble winning a title with the 2nd best PG ever. Everyone will use the Jordan excuse, but the Mailman and Stockton couldn't even win a title when Jordan went on "vacation" for 2 seasons when the NBA was for any teams taking.
Exactly! In terms of winning chips, individual accomplishments don't matter! So why consider a chip as an individual accomplishment?
But I'm talking about INDIVIDUAL legacies breh. INDIVIDUAL legacies are dependent on stats and awards. Mt. Rushmores, Top 10 lists, all of that shouldn't even consider titles.
You're failing to see the point. The Utah Jazz winning or not winning a title has nothing to do with Karl Malone if Karl Malone is putting up GOAT numbers regardless.
this. superstars put up numbers regardless. its when you don't win while putting up huge numbers that people will doubt you. i call this the kevin love dilemma.
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Is this long winded post supposed to create some new "Bron Law?"
Can we let this grown man lose without creating some little league trophy to give to his ass.
They have good teams and good coaches. We talking rings. Brady, Peyton, Rogers have how many rings in the last 10 years?
Just because it was 3 paragraphs doesn't mean it's longwinded brehIs this long winded post supposed to create some new "Bron Law?"
Can we let this grown man lose without creating some little league trophy to give to his ass.
This isn't just talking about Bron, it's about the legacies of all players, from Jordan to Horry to Malone.
but alot of guys SACRIFICE individual goals and accolades to win titles. if rings don't matter, then why should a superstar want a balanced team? under your scenario, kobe's legacy would've benefitted more from gasol never joining the lakers. that way he could keep gunning and averaging 35ppg a season. instead he sacrificed individual accolades (better stats, more scoring titles) for a more balanced team so he could win more rings.
if winning wasn't considered the #1 criteria for judging greatness, the entire league would be turned upside down. MVPs would no longer go to a player on one of the top teams but just the guy who puts up the best stats. players would make radically different choices. rather than joining a team that can win titles, players would join bottom feeders so they can dominate the ball and put up even bigger stats. literally what you're suggesting would have so many consequences that it would change the sport.
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1 each and if Seattle didn't make the WOAT play call in football history then the 3 of them combine to win 2 in the last 10 years. Takes everything going right basically to win a title. Smh at this ESPN raised generation being so dense that they legit think just a single person can be all the difference and deserve all the credit or all the blame.
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Bron is 31, let him keep losing finals until he turns 35.
sure they don't win rings EVERY season. but they do make the playoffs every year. and thats saying something when it comes to the nfl and how much turnover there is on rosters. you can put brady, manning, and rodgers on almost any team and i bet they make the playoffs. that is what a superstar QB gives you.
Tend to agree but everyone seems to have their own personal criteria for ranking all time greats. Its why a perfect or consensus all time list does not exist
Personally I only care about playoff performance, longevity and peak play
Personally I only care about playoff performance, longevity and peak play
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Individual awards/stats and accomplishments shouldn't exist.
You're failing to see the point. The Utah Jazz winning or not winning a title has nothing to do with Karl Malone if Karl Malone is putting up GOAT numbers regardless.
If Mailman was a such a great scorer why did his PPG and FG% go down come playoff time, must have been his teams fault. It's simple, regular season don't mean much at the end of the day if you are not winning a title when evaluating greats against other greats. Not sure why since Bron's losses in the finals the media are trying to change the narrative. It's like people forget what it really means being a franchise player or a great player, if you want to be that, be prepared for the blame that comes with it, that has always been the essence of being a franchise player/great from the jump.