Lawyers are the scum of the Earth

[88m3]

I think that our justice system is a reflection of the majority caste in our society. If you are poor you will get fukked to high heaven because we generally look down on the poor in this country. If you are rich, jail or prison is optional because the way we perceive our rich people. Lindsay Lohan should have been in jail three or four times for the shyt she has done. But she get a pass. It's the fact that our "justice" system has been and always will be unfair to the least amongst us. There are good lawyers out there who are trying to change the system but most of the time it comes down to the judge's mood or even their political affiliation to decide which side justice lands on.

Very true man


I judge a country by how they treat their weak.

 

[NZA]

I'm not sure if there is any legitimacy. It's all about money from the top to the bottom. The state and federal governments are trying to suck everyone dry and feed private prison corporations. Even the local governments get in on it from city and town courts filling their coffers to counties and their county jails getting paid to host federal and state prisoners.

Public defenders defend people with vigor and vim?


@BarNone
If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

there are many who do the best they can, and as far as legitimacy goes, of course there are major problems, but i cant act like i would rather be tried in most other justice systems. i dont want a sharia trial, LOL

Brenton Butler case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^this public defender puts in work. i assume he is not totally alone

 

[No1]

I'm not sure if there is any legitimacy. It's all about money from the top to the bottom. The state and federal governments are trying to suck everyone dry and feed private prison corporations. Even the local governments get in on it from city and town courts filling their coffers to counties and their county jails getting paid to host federal and state prisoners.

Public defenders defend people with vigor and vim?


@BarNone
If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

This is entire post is might have good intentions, but it's far from a legitimate understanding of the criminal justice system and really, doesn't add what is needed to the conversation. I think you mistake what @ltheghost said for what you're saying. To say it's "all about money from top to bottom" mistakes what he's getting at. When I say the laws are the problem I'm talking about the fact that poor people often can't even afford to make bail so they are more likely to plead guilty. I'm talking about the fact that the laws say that you can't prove that selective prosecution has been discriminatory by statistics alone, you have to prove that similarly situated persons that could have been prosecuted were not, and then the government has the ability to rebut and it's very difficult to meet the burden of proof because you would need discovery to do that and you can't get discovery without first providing adequate enough evidence that's it's been discriminatory.

Add that in with the fact that judges and prosecutors are constantly in a relationship with each other and people are just not very likely to call each other racist. If cops destroy evidence, it doesn't get the case overturned unless it was done in bad faith, which is almost impossible to show, etc. If a prosecutor suppresses exculpatory evidence then your conviction could be overturned, but how in the world would you even know that they have done so, and states like Louisiana are notorious for this. (A few years back someone anonymous mailed the exculpatory evidence to the defense, which obviously means another prosecutor in that office knew that the case was bullshyt...but outside of that, there's nothing you can do). The point is, the way they entire system is designed necessarily works against the poor. Not to mention that public defenders are really backed up. The rich are better off in front of courts because they have superior legal teams behind them, they don't have to sit in prison while awaiting trial so they're not as likely to plea when innocent, and of course, more often than not, they're not someone of color.

So yes, the privatization of prisons does provide perverse incentives, but that's not what either ghost or I are talking about. It wouldn't be able to operate that way if the laws did not make so difficult to prove discriminatory prosecutions. Thus, the weight of such judgments falls on the poor and people of color, and no one else cares. If you could make discriminatory prosecution arguments then you would have to file those same charges against everyone and then you would have a collective outcry. Your "if you're not part of the solution, you're the problem rhetoric" is far too vapid for the conversation Like I said, the laws themselves + prosecutorial discretion are the problem. Judges being elected isn't exactly helpful either, but they still can't do anything if a prosecutor refuses to bring up charges.

@ltheghost, money is a major factor, but more in the sense of what I just said. Lindsay Lohan would've been if she was poor because she would not have been able to make bail and would've accepted a guilty plea. The rate of indigent defendants that plead guilty is like 90+ percent.

@Serious, that's my monthly long post

 

[RAX 010]

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[Chris Mauro]

@BarNone 's post summarized in a short clip

 

[ltheghost]

Very true man


I judge a country by how they treat their weak.

Its fukking insane man!! I have a three times removed cousin who I just found out is locked up over some petty theft. He has been awaiting trial for almost three months. I call my friend who is practicing to go over to the court house and just find out what is the deal. He calls me back in two hours and says that he got him out of jail and all he has to do is some community service. He was telling me that the judge just wanted to talk to the public defender to make a deal but he couldn't get a hold of the punk ass....Three months he was just chilling in jail....its fukking insane.

 

[No1]

Its fukking insane man!! I have a three times removed cousin who I just found out is locked up over some petty theft. He has been awaiting trial for almost three months. I call my friend who is practicing to go over to the court house and just find out what is the deal. He calls me back in two hours and says that he got him out of jail and all he has to do is some community service. He was telling me that the judge just wanted to talk to the public defender to make a deal but he couldn't get a hold of the punk ass....Three months he was just chilling in jail....its fukking insane.

Exactly my point about not being able to make bail. Public defenders are also walking around with like 80 cases at a time too.

 

[88m3]

Its fukking insane man!! I have a three times removed cousin who I just found out is locked up over some petty theft. He has been awaiting trial for almost three months. I call my friend who is practicing to go over to the court house and just find out what is the deal. He calls me back in two hours and says that he got him out of jail and all he has to do is some community service. He was telling me that the judge just wanted to talk to the public defender to make a deal but he couldn't get a hold of the punk ass....Three months he was just chilling in jail....its fukking insane.

that's fukked

 

[MikelArteta]

Lol@you in law school. I'd be shocked if you had a communications degree from an unaccredited college.

haha funny, vvd still upset his home is underwater and he lives in a city where the household median is

 

[MikelArteta]

No, you dropped out of law school because you make shytty arguments like this.

Tell me more about how people the attorneys in the DOJ's Civil Rights Division, Human Rights Watch, EEOC, every attorney who does pro bono, Thurgood Marshall, public defenders, LegalAid, the law students who advocated against sweatshops, etc., are just horrible people.

:playoffs:
I'm in canada, the us judicial system makes me

now if you want to talk about erroneously high retainer fees, fraud, lawyer client privilege, withholding evidence that would convict their client by all means

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

haha funny, vvd still upset his home is underwater and he lives in a city where the household median is

Aren't you a paralegal? Your parents are rich and left you a big house and you couldn't even maintain the socioeconomic status you were born into. You are an incompetent loser.

 

[rapbeats]

I just realized this while reading an article about Ariel Castro/Amanda Berry and the the other 2 chicks he held captive.


The n1gga is pleading not guilty and some lame duck lawyer is actually going to attempt to argue his case





In no other profession do human beings stoop that low, this sh1t is just one step above molesting kids. A trial ain't even necessary in this situation. He hasn't been set up, just throw the n1gga in the bushes






Anything for a paycheck

uh amanda berry was a kid when he snatched her up.

 

[rapbeats]

We're all grown here. We understand the constitution

The question is why would any lawyer want to represent this filth

because of that off chance, when you are I get brought up on similar charges and we actually DIDNT do it. no matter how bad it looks from the outside. you need someone to DEFEND YOu. its only RIGHT.

 

[MikelArteta]

Aren't you a paralegal? Your parents are rich and left you a big house and you couldn't even maintain the socioeconomic status you were born into. You are an incompetent loser.

i'm not a paralegal , my work ties into the legislative aspect of the legal field and that's it.

my parents aren't rich just upper middle class

actually 2 houses one in canada and one in jamaica the family home are both in my name


eh i make good money for a single male, to be able to travel the world, pay my bills and save. When's the last time you been out the country?


Only loser is you breh, living in a crappy crime ridden city with no way out, stuck working that pharmaceutical 9-5 till your old and gray, struggling to maintain your mortgage and your health benefits, supporting your wife while she's in school

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

i'm not a paralegal , my work ties into the legislative aspect of the legal field and that's it.

my parents aren't rich just upper middle class

actually 2 houses one in canada and one in jamaica the family home are both in my name


eh i make good money for a single male, to be able to travel the world, pay my bills and save.


Only loser is you breh, living in a crappy crime ridden city with no way out, stuck working that 9-5 till your old and gray, struggling to maintain your mortgage and your health benefits.

So like I said, you couldn't even maintain the socioeconomic status you were born into. You are an incompetent failure who flunked out of law school despite immense privileges being handed to you.

And for what it's worth, I make more money than you.