Law School and Other Legal Discussion.

[Astroslik]

Was just coming in to say I killed it - score high enough for all UBE districts.

Bar prep starts in a couple of weeks, but I managed to finesse and get Themis for free.

Good shyt breh! And congrats once again

 

[EndDomination]

Anyone else doing bar prep?

Goddamn this shyt is horrible

 

[Czerka]

Anyone take the Florida bar?

 

[Astroslik]

Anyone else doing bar prep?

Goddamn this shyt is horrible

I hope to god I never have to do that again. Hopefully I never have to end up in California.

 

[ogc163]

Anyone else doing bar prep?

Goddamn this shyt is horrible

The first couple of weeks are horrible. What's your study process looking like? I remember the two biggest obstacles for me was the long-term retention and good feedback on essays. Thankfully learning about spaced repetition and using Anki resolved that issue, and looking back I should have hired a private tutor for the essays.

 

[EndDomination]

The first couple of weeks are horrible. What's your study process looking like? I remember the two biggest obstacles for me was the long-term retention and good feedback on essays. Thankfully learning about spaced repetition and using Anki resolved that issue, and looking back I should have hired a private tutor for the essays.

I’m using the Themis program, so just watching the lectures, taking notes in the given book, reviewing the lengthy outlines, and then doing practice multiple choice problems and essay problems. About 7 hours a day w/ flash cards and note taking.

Some of the subjects are kicking my ass - Property, mostly. Other subjects I breezed through, like Family Law and Torts - have made it difficult for me to figure out the best way to grasp a topic. I’ll just keep brute-forcing it, I suppose.

What is Anki? May have to look into that.

 

[ogc163]

I’m using the Themis program, so just watching the lectures, taking notes in the given book, reviewing the lengthy outlines, and then doing practice multiple choice problems and essay problems. About 7 hours a day w/ flash cards and note taking.

Some of the subjects are kicking my ass - Property, mostly. Other subjects I breezed through, like Family Law and Torts - have made it difficult for me to figure out the best way to grasp a topic. I’ll just keep brute-forcing it, I suppose.

What is Anki? May have to look into that.

Anki is a downloadable flashcard application that uses what is called spaced repetition, spaced repetition is the practice of spacing out your study material over a specific period of time to better retain the material. Med School students on YT swear by it, but there are a couple of UK law YouTubers who also use it.

Med School youtuber/podcaster (now Dr.) Ali Abdaal is the person who influenced me to start using the app, and he has several videos focused on studying. Here is the video that best explains spaced repetition



Here is a good video that specifically gives an overview of how to specifically use Anki



I took PA after graduation which was non UBE at the time then took NY several years later and my MBE score improved by 17 points, and I attribute that improvement primarily to Anki.

In regards to the divide between easy and hard subjects, my friends and I had similar issues and the breakdown was usually:

Hard:
Contracts
Civ Pro
Property
Secured Transactions
Evidence

Easy(Relatively):
Con Law
Torts
Crim and Crim Pro

And I think it's because the latter is more intuitive and it's easier to visualize the examples and application of the law. Plus, there is the issue of the language of subjects like Contracts and Property, as you've probably realized the UCC is horribly written. For the harder subjects I found in my experience that using the Feynman Technique to get around the language issues was highly beneficial.

 

[EndDomination]

Anki is a downloadable flashcard application that uses what is called spaced repetition, spaced repetition is the practice of spacing out your study material over a specific period of time to better retain the material. Med School students on YT swear by it, but there are a couple of UK law YouTubers who also use it.

Med School youtuber/podcaster (now Dr.) Ali Abdaal is the person who influenced me to start using the app, and he has several videos focused on studying. Here is the video that best explains spaced repetition



Here is a good video that specifically gives an overview of how to specifically use Anki



I took PA after graduation which was non UBE at the time then took NY several years later and my MBE score improved by 17 points, and I attribute that improvement primarily to Anki.

In regards to the divide between easy and hard subjects, my friends and I had similar issues and the breakdown was usually:

Hard:
Contracts
Civ Pro
Property
Secured Transactions
Evidence

Easy(Relatively):
Con Law
Torts
Crim and Crim Pro

And I think it's because the latter is more intuitive and it's easier to visualize the examples and application of the law. Plus, there is the issue of the language of subjects like Contracts and Property, as you've probably realized the UCC is horribly written. For the harder subjects I found in my experience that using the Feynman Technique to get around the language issues was highly beneficial.

Dap + Rep

Will definitely download and try this out, I don’t want to leave anything to chance. Checking out the videos as well. This is incredibly helpful.

 

[tofuspeedstar]

If you’re taking UBE bar just focus on MBE. 70% MBE is autopass. You could get a 2 on all your essays.

Adaptibar videos are much better. You’ll learn all the shyt you need for essays by focusing on MBE.

family law you can bullshyt—-best interest of the child.

Secured Transactions you’ll need to put in some work though.

 

[MustafaSTL]

If you’re taking UBE bar just focus on MBE. 70% MBE is autopass. You could get a 2 on all your essays.

Adaptibar videos are much better. You’ll learn all the shyt you need for essays by focusing on MBE.

family law you can bullshyt—-best interest of the child.

Secured Transactions you’ll need to put in some work though.

Yeah…..don’t do this thinking you can just focus on MBE and pass, especially just thinking, even if that was true, you’re guaranteed to get at least 70% on exam day.

Best advice is to not burn yourself out. I remember some people talked about starting out studying 12 or more hours a day every day and then got burned out by the end of June. Then tried to ramp back up a week before the exam. That’s a recipe for disaster. Pace yourself the entire time. If Kaplan/Barbri/Themis says to study 7-8 hours and take the weekend off, do it. Treat it like a two month job. I woke up and started at 8 am, finished by around 4 or 5 pm, and chilled the rest of the evening. The stress of studying was made way easier doing it that way. That may not be what works for everyone, but I know I didn’t get burned out from studying.

With that being said, do what works best for you. Be weary of what other people are saying about their study habits. Just like in law school, they could either be lying, or even if they’re not, what works for them may not work for you. Stay true to how you best comprehend material and follow the test prep.

 

[tofuspeedstar]

Yeah…..don’t do this thinking you can just focus on MBE and pass, especially just thinking, even if that was true, you’re guaranteed to get at least 70% on exam day.

Best advice is to not burn yourself out. I remember some people talked about starting out studying 12 or more hours a day every day and then got burned out by the end of June. Then tried to ramp back up a week before the exam. That’s a recipe for disaster. Pace yourself the entire time. If Kaplan/Barbri/Themis says to study 7-8 hours and take the weekend off, do it. Treat it like a two month job. I woke up and started at 8 am, finished by around 4 or 5 pm, and chilled the rest of the evening. The stress of studying was made way easier doing it that way. That may not be what works for everyone, but I know I didn’t get burned out from studying.

With that being said, do what works best for you. Be weary of what other people are saying about their study habits. Just like in law school, they could either be lying, or even if they’re not, what works for them may not work for you. Stay true to how you best comprehend material and follow the test prep.

Just providing what’s worked for many of my colleagues and myself. By focusing on MBE, you in turn learn 50% of MEE subjects. (Won't learn Conflict of Laws, Corp/Agency, Family Law, Secured Transactions, Wills and Trusts). MBE also isn't very subjective like the MEE portion where if you get a grader that's just in a shytty mood, you'll be screwed. (Happened the first time when I took CA).

But definitely agree do what works best for you and ignore what other people are saying as @MustafaSTL said.

Definitely buy Adaptibar for MBE practice because the commercial bar prep companies are not representative of actual MBE questions. When I retook the 2nd time, completely ignored the Themis MBE questions and focused on Adaptibar Qs.

DO NOT, by all means, DO NOT use multiple sources to study. Pick one set of outlines and stick to that and add to it what you think is important. My mistake the first time was I had like 5 sets of outlines that I referred to all throughout prep and it ended up backfiring on me. More sources will hinder your performance.

 

[BigMan]

It’s Juneteenth tomorrow but deadlines so still working

 

[tofuspeedstar]

It’s Juneteenth tomorrow but deadlines so still working

That is not a vibe.

 

[BigMan]

That is not a vibe.

C’est la vie attornéy

 

[tofuspeedstar]

Brehs do we have a Coli Outline repository for other brehs that are in LS/studying for the bar? Would be happy to share whatever I have.

outlining in law school was the bane of my existence and I don't want any other student to have to submit to that torture (Or just don't be like me and wait until the last minute to do it lol)