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1. What part of law school doesn’t teach you how to be a lawyer don’t you get? Some of ya’ll have this weird view about law school, like it teaches you how to be a lawyer or gives you this huge insight into the law. Being a LAWYER teaches you the law. And if you’re going to go the jd preferred route, don’t take shortcuts and actually apply to an aba accredited school that has a decent employer pipeline for jobs


2. The University of Phoenix is under scrutiny by the ftc, as we speak. Worthwhile employers do not respect schools of this ilk, along with non aba accredited law schools. Again, you’re competing against someone that would have gone to one of 100+ law schools that are aba accredited. Why would they choose you over them? University of Phoenix president resigns suddenly (and quietly) amid federal inquiry




3. I’m a whole lawyer and have been practicing the last 3 years in “big law”. I’m trying to give you advice but for some reason, you think you know more than an actual practicing lawyer who went to a top law school. I’m trying to save you time and money but you’re trying to take a shortcut.

4. You’re seriously comparing Kim K’s situation to yours? Kim K being Kim K will open up plenty of doors. Kim K is also under an apprenticeship essentially, working under a few lawyer mentors. She didnt even enroll in any type of law school. California has all types of loopholes to take the bar without going to law school. Hence why the passage rate is so low (people from non aba schools/apprenticeships taking the bar and failing countless times).
Kim K is reading the law. That is what the apprenticeship she is doing is referred to. She still had to sit and pass the baby bar after the first year to move on. I think I am pretty well versed in the options that California offer for students who want to explore non traditional ways of becoming a licensed attorney. That aside, The Calbar exam is notoriously difficult, and looking at the pass rates, students who attend ABA schools also have difficulty passing that bar. California isn’t the only state that allows students to read the law to sit the bar. I want to say Vermont and Virginia also allow students to read the law. If I recall correctly, NY allows students who have at least completed one year at a law school.

I appreciate the advice, but like I said twice already, I have no intention on practicing law. If I want to spend $15k on getting a degree that will give me the knowledge to enhance my current career, why is that an issue?

By the way, The University of Phoenix is still up and running though….
 

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Kim K is reading the law. That is what the apprenticeship she is doing is referred to. She still had to sit and pass the baby bar after the first year to move on. I think I am pretty well versed in the options that California offer for students who want to explore non traditional ways of becoming a licensed attorney. That aside, The Calbar exam is notoriously difficult, and looking at the pass rates, students who attend ABA schools also have difficulty passing that bar. California isn’t the only state that allows students to read the law to sit the bar. I want to say Vermont and Virginia also allow students to read the law. If I recall correctly, NY allows students who have at least completed one year at a law school.

I appreciate the advice, but like I said twice already, I have no intention on practicing law. If I want to spend $15k on getting a degree that will give me the knowledge to enhance my current career, why is that an issue?

By the way, The University of Phoenix is still up and running though….
I’m from California so I’m well versed on the bar situation as well lol. But the yall non aba folks be dragging that passage rate down. It really isnt THAT bad once you take that variable out.

Seems like you have everything figured out, what do I know? I’m just a lawyer :salute: In your world, non aba degree is on the same level playing field to an employer as someone who graduates from southwestern or loyola. But hey, what do I know..
 
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I’m from California so I’m well versed on the bar situation as well lol. But the yall non aba folks be dragging that passage rate down. It really isnt THAT bad once you take that variable out.

Seems like you have everything figured out, what do I know? I’m just a lawyer :salute: In your world, non aba degree is on the same level playing field to an employer as someone who graduates from southwestern or loyola. But hey, what do I know..


10+ year lawyer checking into to co-sign this
 

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I’m from California so I’m well versed on the bar situation as well lol. But the yall non aba folks be dragging that passage rate down. It really isnt THAT bad once you take that variable out.

Seems like you have everything figured out, what do I know? I’m just a lawyer :salute: In your world, non aba degree is on the same level playing field to an employer as someone who graduates from southwestern or loyola. But hey, what do I know..
For the 3rd time. I have no intention of practicing law..which means I have no intention of taking the bar exam. Not sure why you are overlooking that point.
 

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For the 3rd time. I have no intention of practicing law..which means I have no intention of taking the bar exam. Not sure why you are overlooking that point.
For the 5th time, getting a degree from a non aba accredited school will not help your employment prospects (actually hurt them) neither will it teach you the law.


We have lawyers in here trying to show you the way, but you STILL think you’re more knowledgeable than us :dead:
 
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For the 3rd time. I have no intention of practicing law..which means I have no intention of taking the bar exam. Not sure why you are overlooking that point.


If you don’t plan on practicing law, w/ a limited exception there’s 0 point in going to law school.

You seem dead set on spending the money, so best of luck.
 

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For the 5th time, getting a degree from a non aba accredited school will not help your employment prospects (actually hurt them) neither will it teach you the law.


We have lawyers in here trying to show you the way, but you STILL think you’re more knowledgeable than us :dead:
For the 4th time. I have no intention of practicing law..which means I have no intention of taking the bar exam. At no point have I said that I want to compete with anybody. I specifically stated the options that I might consider with a JD degree. Not sure why you are bent out of shape about how I am going to spend my money :pachaha:
 

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For the 4th time. I have no intention of practicing law..which means I have no intention of taking the bar exam. At no point have I said that I want to compete with anybody. I specifically stated the options that I might consider with a JD degree. Not sure why you are bent out of shape about how I am going to spend my money :pachaha:
You came in here for insight and we gave you valid insight. If you think you know more than us so be it. The fact that you potentially want to go into consulting or teaching inherently suggests you will be competing in the job marketplace smh. Go ahead and waste your money on that quasi- hooked on phonics law degree.

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For the 4th time. I have no intention of practicing law..which means I have no intention of taking the bar exam. At no point have I said that I want to compete with anybody. I specifically stated the options that I might consider with a JD degree. Not sure why you are bent out of shape about how I am going to spend my money :pachaha:

Because there’s not really any utility in going to law school for the sake of going. Law school kind of teaches you how to think like a lawyer, but that’s kind of worthless without actually practicing law.

What you’re talking about is spending 5 figures for a worthless degree, that’s not going to provide a significant development in your skills
 

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You came in here for insight and we gave you valid insight. If you think you know more than us so be it. The fact that you potentially want to go into consulting or teaching inherently suggests you will be competing in the job marketplace smh. Go ahead and waste your money on that quasi- hooked on phonics law degree.

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No, I didn’t. I flipped through the thread and assumed it was a discussion about law school as well. You are attempting put words in my mouth based on what you think you know about me and my academic/career background and getting disrespectful for no reason. I’ll bid you good evening before I start responding to you in the same manner.
 

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Because there’s not really any utility in going to law school for the sake of going. Law school kind of teaches you how to think like a lawyer, but that’s kind of worthless without actually practicing law.

What you’re talking about is spending 5 figures for a worthless degree, that’s not going to provide a significant development in your skills
You are entitled to have your opinion, but you don’t know my academic or career background. Funny thing about this is I said I was only flirting with the idea, I hadn’t committed to it…but it’s actually sounding real good now lol.
 
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You are entitled to have your opinion, but you don’t know my academic or career background. Funny thing about this is I said I was only flirting with the idea, I hadn’t committed to it…but it’s actually sounding real good now lol.


Don’t be a contrarian for the sake of being one. Your career and academic background don’t really mean much in the context of my comments. I was speaking on legal education in general. Law school teaches a very specific way of thinking and problem solving as a framework. That framework and mode of thinking has extremely limited without further being developed as a practicing attorney.

I’ll also ad that i don’t think an online law degree is going to necessarily develop the useful critical thinking skills that in person does. A good chunk of legal learning is the Socratic method, and having to think through an issue under pressure from the professor drilling you w/ questions in front of the class. I don’t know if an online law degree has an equivalent mechanism for instructing.
 

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Don’t be a contrarian for the sake of being one. Your career and academic background don’t really mean much in the context of my comments. I was speaking on legal education in general. Law school teaches a very specific way of thinking and problem solving as a framework. That framework and mode of thinking has extremely limited without further being developed as a practicing attorney.

I’ll also ad that i don’t think an online law degree is going to necessarily develop the useful critical thinking skills that in person does. A good chunk of legal learning is the Socratic method, and having to think through an issue under pressure from the professor drilling you w/ questions in front of the class. I don’t know if an online law degree has an equivalent mechanism for instructing.
This is all speculation, and respectfully somewhat elitist. Unless you completed your degree at an online law school, I don’t think it’s fair to make these assumptions. During Covid wasn’t everyone Learing through zoom for a good portion of the academic year? There are actually ABA approved online law schools.



Below is the link to one

That aside, there are plenty of law grads who completed their degrees through online/non ABA approved programs and apprenticeships, successfully completed the bar exam and are competent attorneys. One of the law schools I’m considering is NWCU. The university has an entire alumni page of competent attorneys.


This alumni passed both California (passed baby and full bar on first attempt) and Wisconsin bar exam (click working link)


I appreciate that you had your own experience through law school, but that’s your experience, and shouldn’t be projected as the only experience. In my opinion, the more opportunities available for people to change their lives and pursue their goals, the better.


Blessed day to you.
 
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