Lavar Ball and BBB got these Nike execs mad :umad:

[Art Barr]

Lavar Ball is irritating but I can't fault the man for wanting to have ownership/control of his revenue streams...either for himself or his children.

I am all for willing your kids.
Yet lavar ball is to stephan capriarti with no sleaze ball factor and no champion.
to feel him as a brand ambassador.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

nikka China population is 4x the size of America, and them Chinese emperor muthafukkas buy sneakers too . They claims moved 650,000 unit sales over there nikka...Klay Thompson.

THeres a reason NBA used Yao tap into that market, no it worked. I may not saying Lavar is going to succeed, but the market dynamics have definitely changed. You thinking domestic, I'm thinking global.

nikka I was facilitating stock trades the day them planes crushed the building on 911, so miss me with that 9/11 bullshyt..

Again where was all this global shyt for bmf and buckshot shoe talk from you then.
Did you have pom poms in those threads.
or you just a sheep buying into a pr firm making a mockery of the balls with this nonsense.

Not to mention,.....
If you are so concerned with brands that could.
Where were you when Ebro was running down on buckshot, and your defense then.

Art Barr

Where was all this support for buckshot and bmf at.
Where was it sway,......

 

[Big Boss]

Ok, as an entrepreneur for the past 10 years, who has not only ran my own company, but been blessed enough to be mentored by some true CEOs of all races and backgrounds, and have given advice to plenty of breh's on this board...Let me say why this is all a terrible idea by Lavar Ball.

First, I see a lot of people bigging him up, saying “Oh Nike and Adidas are scared” - LOL. No they are not. They are literally not scared of a thing.

One guy starting a line of t-shirts and shoes that barely anyone will purchase is not changing the game today. Owning a brand doesn’t mean slapping your logo on Hanes T-Shirts and awful looking shoes (as Master P and others found out years ago) - The black or urban community will not support that outside of loyalists.

The larger companies have the highest level shoe designers and distribution. And guess what - you don’t have to fit that bill. You are making 100% profit. That “Billy” that Lebron is pulling? All profit, and now he can invest it directly into his community, reputable business ideas and things that can employ the next few generations as a true businessman.

Clubs, clothes, etc are whats known as “vanity businesses” - people do them because it makes them look cool..”Yo I own this club, these are my own t-shirts” but in reality have a .01% success rate of longevity.

Most college kids, even Lavar Ball, don’t got the funds to invest to distribute their shoes to a million people across the USA right now, get bought in mass by FootLocker and then wait for retail back, all while footing the bill themselves. Thats just not feasible, and it requires Lonzos dad to take a lot of Lavar money to get this done. Its just not a solid business idea, when there are much smarter ways to spend your money.

People just slap him on the back and say “Yea stick it to the big man”, not thinking of the true logistics that a major brand like Nike or Adidas has to offer. Some businesses aren’t worth getting into when you can take free money from them and do something you actually have a passion for business-wise - its like creating your own cola and trying to get people to buy it over Coca-Cola because it has your name on it.

It’s just dumb, and no one is going to buy it. If he came into the game with less ego (ie. hiring some of the best shoe designers to freelance on some kicks and selling those designs to a major brand to produce) or better yet some top level urban marketing dudes (I had a marketing dude come up with an idea for BBB in .01 seconds. He said it should’ve been named “WeBall” - now tons of AAU kids and athletes would wear that and they could grow faster, because it speaks to the masses and promotes self-promotion which is what people want - as opposed to Big Baller Brand, just a wack name in todays culture.

I could go a lot further, but its just something cool to talk about on the internet but everybody knows you aint finna see people walking around your city wearing BBB lol.

 

[WheresWallace]

I made a thread about this years ago. Im glad it may be coming to fruition.

One day...one day in the future, black people will learn how to capitalize off of their own culture. :boy:

The video in the OP is misleading because at the 6:20 mark a black dude talks about how "WE started in '99, WE signed Rafer Austin, WE found these tapes blah blah blah" but the company was started/owned by Seth Berger. And1 was a T-Shirt company started in about 93' by some college cacs. They had a little bit of an advantage by having capital to start a business (I forget how much money they started with...) but either way.



And1 didn't really start to pop unitl about '99 when those tapes circulated. They were basically just a T-Shirt company that sold tapes because of the And1 highlight video that they had playing on all the TV's in FinishLine. (FinishLine is basically a show store like Footlocker.) They made $200M in 2001 as a result of the popular And1 tapes. $200 MILLION brehs.

And the tapes were basically just highlights from the Rucker streetball tournament that has been around for DECADES. So the cacs at And1 associated their brand to the street ball tournament and basically sold their T-Shirts because of those video tape highlights. The business did well and they eventually went into sneakers and other apparel. They were also doing well with the tournaments that they went on tour and got their TV deal ect.

I say all that to say...:thinking:

If black people started a TV shirt company and used the same grass roots marketing that the And1 videos created then who knows, we might have a BLACK OWNED sneaker company competing to sign deals with the NBA like Reebok or Under Armour (Another company that became popular in a grassroots way).

We need to constantly remind our kids to understand the business so that when they get older they can try and build something for themselves instead of relying on someone else to pay you.

 

[pickles]

How many people here have BBB product?

Just wondering.

 

[Big Boss]

*Does a quick search*




*closes tab*

 

[MrWestGrand]

Again where was all this global shyt for bmf and buckshot shoe talk from you then.
Did you have pom poms in those threads.
or you just a sheep buying into a pr firm making a mockery of the balls with this nonsense.

Not to mention,.....
If you are so concerned with brands that could.
Where were you when Ebro was running down on buckshot, and your defense then.

Art Barr

Where was all this support for buckshot and bmf at.
Where was it sway,......

You got it....

I mean buckshot shorty and BMF will be the obvious blueprint to what the Ball's merchandise probably wNt do well. What was I thinking...

 

[Art Barr]

He didnt say NBA, he said basketball, which has been around over 100 years.
Hopefully the next set of hustlers have some taste, design aesthetic and business savvy.

Notice these fools miss these two factors in their bullshyt trolling of the balls pr.

These nikkaz is full of shyt.
They know damn well that the design and name for big baller brand is as oft putting as can be.
Including be so outdatedly cliche and wack for starters.
That the ball family entrepreneurship is ruining any draw this kid could have from jump and is counter productive.

nikkaz ain't old enough to have seen before jordan came and sound asinine and stoopid as fukk.


You nikkaz never blew up a brand in ya life in the general collective and came after the fact.
So how in the fukk is big baller brand gonna blow and has not emulated anything that remotely connects or resonates with people who support the product style line or draw.

Ball ain't hit no game winner as a freshie.
He has no incredible just Derrick rose moments for starters after just jordan comparison.
So how in the fukk is the big baller brand gonna do this impossible feat.
Lemme answer that for you,...

They are going fukk'n fail.
While also self inducing disconnect to their own pros and product in the market place.
just off quality in every aspect from logo, call sign, etc.



Art Barr

It took 2 chains hordes of designs TO GET RIGHT THE SANTA DAB SWEATER.

So how and where in the fukk is the ball family gonna get this wave from and in such short time without relaunching the entire brand before the draft and nba summer league.

 

[Jax]

Big baller brand doesn't sound right. Now if it was some G Unit shyt I'd be down with it.

 

[Art Barr]

How many people here have BBB product?

Just wondering.

This needs to be stickied as its own thread.

Art Barr

 

[C-NICE]

Ok, as an entrepreneur for the past 10 years, who has not only ran my own company, but been blessed enough to be mentored by some true CEOs of all races and backgrounds, and have given advice to plenty of breh's on this board...Let me say why this is all a terrible idea by Lavar Ball.

First, I see a lot of people bigging him up, saying “Oh Nike and Adidas are scared” - LOL. No they are not. They are literally not scared of a thing.

One guy starting a line of t-shirts and shoes that barely anyone will purchase is not changing the game today. Owning a brand doesn’t mean slapping your logo on Hanes T-Shirts and awful looking shoes (as Master P and others found out years ago) - The black or urban community will not support that outside of loyalists.

The larger companies have the highest level shoe designers and distribution. And guess what - you don’t have to fit that bill. You are making 100% profit. That “Billy” that Lebron is pulling? All profit, and now he can invest it directly into his community, reputable business ideas and things that can employ the next few generations as a true businessman.

Clubs, clothes, etc are whats known as “vanity businesses” - people do them because it makes them look cool..”Yo I own this club, these are my own t-shirts” but in reality have a .01% success rate of longevity.

Most college kids, even Lavar Ball, don’t got the funds to invest to distribute their shoes to a million people across the USA right now, get bought in mass by FootLocker and then wait for retail back, all while footing the bill themselves. Thats just not feasible, and it requires Lonzos dad to take a lot of Lavar money to get this done. Its just not a solid business idea, when there are much smarter ways to spend your money.

People just slap him on the back and say “Yea stick it to the big man”, not thinking of the true logistics that a major brand like Nike or Adidas has to offer. Some businesses aren’t worth getting into when you can take free money from them and do something you actually have a passion for business-wise - its like creating your own cola and trying to get people to buy it over Coca-Cola because it has your name on it.

It’s just dumb, and no one is going to buy it. If he came into the game with less ego (ie. hiring some of the best shoe designers to freelance on some kicks and selling those designs to a major brand to produce) or better yet some top level urban marketing dudes (I had a marketing dude come up with an idea for BBB in .01 seconds. He said it should’ve been named “WeBall” - now tons of AAU kids and athletes would wear that and they could grow faster, because it speaks to the masses and promotes self-promotion which is what people want - as opposed to Big Baller Brand, just a wack name in todays culture.

I could go a lot further, but its just something cool to talk about on the internet but everybody knows you aint finna see people walking around your city wearing BBB lol.

Or 3ball with flames around the logo

 

[SadimirPutin]

wait people really think Lavar has Nike shook?

not steph curry...not harden....but the 3B brand


jesus christ yall are something else

 

[SadimirPutin]

Or 3ball with flames around the logo

WeBall...3Ball...could be poppin....

 

[WheresWallace]

Ok, as an entrepreneur for the past 10 years, who has not only ran my own company, but been blessed enough to be mentored by some true CEOs of all races and backgrounds, and have given advice to plenty of breh's on this board...Let me say why this is all a terrible idea by Lavar Ball.

First, I see a lot of people bigging him up, saying “Oh Nike and Adidas are scared” - LOL. No they are not. They are literally not scared of a thing.

One guy starting a line of t-shirts and shoes that barely anyone will purchase is not changing the game today. Owning a brand doesn’t mean slapping your logo on Hanes T-Shirts and awful looking shoes (as Master P and others found out years ago) - The black or urban community will not support that outside of loyalists.

The larger companies have the highest level shoe designers and distribution. And guess what - you don’t have to fit that bill. You are making 100% profit. That “Billy” that Lebron is pulling? All profit, and now he can invest it directly into his community, reputable business ideas and things that can employ the next few generations as a true businessman.

Clubs, clothes, etc are whats known as “vanity businesses” - people do them because it makes them look cool..”Yo I own this club, these are my own t-shirts” but in reality have a .01% success rate of longevity.

Most college kids, even Lavar Ball, don’t got the funds to invest to distribute their shoes to a million people across the USA right now, get bought in mass by FootLocker and then wait for retail back, all while footing the bill themselves. Thats just not feasible, and it requires Lonzos dad to take a lot of Lavar money to get this done. Its just not a solid business idea, when there are much smarter ways to spend your money.

People just slap him on the back and say “Yea stick it to the big man”, not thinking of the true logistics that a major brand like Nike or Adidas has to offer. Some businesses aren’t worth getting into when you can take free money from them and do something you actually have a passion for business-wise - its like creating your own cola and trying to get people to buy it over Coca-Cola because it has your name on it.

It’s just dumb, and no one is going to buy it. If he came into the game with less ego (ie. hiring some of the best shoe designers to freelance on some kicks and selling those designs to a major brand to produce) or better yet some top level urban marketing dudes (I had a marketing dude come up with an idea for BBB in .01 seconds. He said it should’ve been named “WeBall” - now tons of AAU kids and athletes would wear that and they could grow faster, because it speaks to the masses and promotes self-promotion which is what people want - as opposed to Big Baller Brand, just a wack name in todays culture.

I could go a lot further, but its just something cool to talk about on the internet but everybody knows you aint finna see people walking around your city wearing BBB lol.

I hear what you are saying but the one area where I would challenge you on is the area of logistics. There was recently a thread talking about how retail is fading away and business is being primarily done online. This new business model changes everything from marketing, manufacturing and logistics. So, depending on the goal of a small brand, you may not have to be married to the old business model. Why not entertain the idea of "made to order" or "customization" because this justifies not having to create a lot of inventory which will have its pros and its cons but one of the pros is that it will allow the small brand to not have to put up a great initial investment.

I posted a video of the founder of "And1" where he talks about how he started the company and there is literally nothing that he dd that can not also be done by an athlete who can build a small team around him. The start of Under Armour was actually similar as well.

I think if an athlete is approaching a non traditional business model then he/she can start their own brand.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Notice these fools miss these two factors in their bullshyt trolling of the balls pr.

These nikkaz is full of shyt.
They know damn well that the design and name for big baller brand is as oft putting as can be.
Including be so outdatedly cliche and wack for starters.
That the ball family entrepreneurship is ruining any draw this kid could have from jump and is counter productive.

nikkaz ain't old enough to have seen before jordan came and sound asinine and stoopid as fukk.


You nikkaz never blew up a brand in ya life in the general collective and came after the fact.
So how in the fukk is big baller brand gonna blow and has not emulated anything that remotely connects or resonates with people who support the product style line or draw.

Ball ain't hit no game winner as a freshie.
He has no incredible just Derrick rose moments for starters after just jordan comparison.
So how in the fukk is the big baller brand gonna do this impossible feature.
Lemme answer that for you,...

They are going that fukk'n fail.
While also self inducing disconnect to their own pros and product in the market place just off quality in every aspect from logo, call sign, etc.



Art Barr

It took 2 chains hordes of designs TO GET RIGHT THE SANTA DAB SWEATER.

So how and where in the fukk is the ball family gonna get this wave from and in such short time without relaunching the entire brand before the draft and nba summer league.

Yeah, for all the employer vs. employee talk, mentioning Bron's Nike deal etc, nobody even mentioned yet in here that Lavar actually already put it out there that they WANT to sell out to an established brand like Nike. Remember when he said they want a billion-dollar deal for all three brothers? I think that's ultimately Lavar's endgame with this, to be honest...he's just seeking the same thing Lebron already got and he's hoping some company will jump on the hypetrain and buy em out. That would help explain the laziness of the basic-ass designs and branding that look like zero thought went into them.

If they dont get some larger deal and have to carry on trying to do it with the BBB brand, they'll basically have to start over from a design and marketing standpoint. Nobody's paying the outlandish prices for that swaggerless gear.