The War Report
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I don't even watch Knicks game anymore. 
Just fast forward to the lottery. :stevedash:
Just fast forward to the lottery. :stevedash:
Last 18/19 NY Knicks season transmission: "F*** all the haters from you to SAS" See y'all in '20
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Daniel.
BK to NJ, but always a New York Knicka
Very promising.
Are we all sold on Kyrie?
If we can't get Zion, Ja/RJ with an off season of KD and Kawhi at the forwards with Knox off the bench would be pretty fukking wild.
I know that breh but I get frustrated sometimes with this teamWell, we’re tanking. Aren’t we?
Wear My Dawg's Hat
Superstar
Another one.
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Clippers been maneuvering for Kwahi, like we been maneuvering for KD. These deals have been made and I doubt they switch up now.
I think we're in it for Kyrie too. Both he and KD been in NY rumors since last year. Also Boston is a mess. Even getting AD feels like a short sighted move by them cause he told them more or less "do not trade for me".
Mitch
Vonleh
Knox
RJ
Kemba
8th seed on lock for the next decade...
.Someone please make me ootimiopti on Knox. I'm trying not to see through Knicks colored goggles.
Is he going to be good?
We can have 10 more losses than the 4th worst team and still have the same chance at the number 1 pick
I know the worst team rarely gets the top pick...but that just means the law of averages is on our side since worst record is due for a first pick...
Said the same. This year, the bottom 3 have the same 13.8 percent chance to get the top pick. Nichols from The Jump could be talking out her ass but she said a team could end up dropping to 5th. The rules changed due to Philly always winning the odds. I’ll never embrace tanking the way people in here cheering for it, but I’ll kill someone if we end up with the worse record and get rewarded 3rd or 4th pick. You’ll see me on the news.
This.
nikkas better start rooting for us to look a little better. Nothing good is going to come from us continuing to set "worst losing streak" records.
shyt is unsightly.
Brehs catching erections when we secure every new L like somehow it adds another percentage point towards Zion. Come on
KnickstapeCity
RIP Big Dikk :wow: :mjcry:
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
Have some pride
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
Nah, worst record means no lower than 5. I’ve done the lottery sim a few times and we drop to 5 majority of the time. But you gotta factor inBut the worst record guarantees we pick no lower than 4th, which in this year’s draft is important. Let me illustrate my point through smileys:
1st =
2nd =
3rd =
4th =
5th =
1. Randomness is random as hell
2. Is the draft truly random or does the league rig it
storyteller
Veteran
The Knicks are getting closer and closer to breaking the losing streak ironically as more and more Westchester players make their way onto the court. Kadeem Allen, John Jenkins and Luke Kornet all had roles in a not quite comeback for the Knicks in a loss against the Cavaliers, 104-107. That heart warming development shouldn't shield the fact that the youth on the Knicks have mostly taken a step backwards. Both Knox and Trier appear to have hit the rookie wall; Dotson has hit double figures once in his last 5 games and just three times in the last 10; Frank is still out injured; and even Dennis Smith seemed off his A game last night. The energy wasn't great for anybody really except for the G-League call-ups with everything to gain from playing their hearts out and the Centers. Deandre Jordan has been everything advertised as a leader with a standout moment last night and Mitch impacts the game on both ends consistently. There's a lot to talk about:
DSJr: There were all the signs of youth, both the promise and frustrating traits, in Dennis Smith Jr's game against the Cavs. Smith couldn't get himself into a consistent rhythm but still found some seams to score and pass respectably over the night, although his assist totals were hurt by poor shooting around him. The 21 year old spent 31 minutes notching 10 points on 5/12 shooting along with 4 assists, 2 boards, 3 steals and 2 blocks. The Cavs gave Smith (and others) space and his jumper wasn't there to keep them honest. This led to his forays to the paint getting cut off and forcing kickouts, which showed off a superior vision to other similar downhill players that the Knicks have tried out. But it also showed him picking up his dribble prematurely and jump passing unnecessarily. This didn't cause TO's but it's a habit that you can't expect to get away with all the time. The defensive end was a mixed bag as well in spite of the numbers. Two of the steals came picking off poor outlet passes from Kevin Love which you don't see too often on most nights. The blocks showed off what Smith can do locked in, similar to Trier's timing and ability to recover when beaten. But Smith also had lapses and mistakes especially early in the game. Smith also gets down on himself and the refs out there a bit too much, Deandre Jordan had to give him a pep talk in the third quarter and he visibly played better after with his best stint of the game.
Dotson: Damyean Dotson was my picture of consistency but the jumper's gone and even his defense isn't where it was to start the season. He didn't log heavy minutes last season and I'm wondering if he's hitting a wall like some of our rookies, with tired legs. Dot spent 22 minutes tallying 8 points, 5 boards and 1 assist on 2/6 shooting from the field. With Timmy out and Knox struggling, Dot is probably our best three point threat out there but he only put up 2 long attempts. Part of this may just be issues of spacing, teams are backing off certain guys which allows Dot's man to stay close to home. But tracking back to early Dotson reviews from the summer league, one of my complaints was a lack of assertiveness. He'll let the game come to him to a fault. This may be a regression to the mean on that note. All that said, 8 and 5 on 6 attempts while playing solid (but not great) defense is nothing to get too down on. We just may be finding out that Dot's more prepared to be the back up SG than carry the weight of a typical starting SG in this league.
Knox: Let's not mince words, Kevin Knox has hit the rookie wall like a Wile E. Coyote cartoon. It looks like a combination of tired legs and mental aspects kicking in as he's missing wide open jumpers and pressing on his drives to the basket. Like Smith, he's being given extra space and just not cashing in on the looks that he chewed defenses up with all throughout December. Knox went 5/16 shooting and just 1/7 from three in 36 minutes while doing some solid things outside of scoring. He put up 13 points, 6 rebounds and 3 assists but also had 3 turnovers. He still flashes the ability to grab difficult rebounds and also has made incremental improvements defensively. He's rotating and involved at the rim more often in weakside situations. But it's incremental improvement here and he'll have to be more efficient to be a positive sum player. Like Smith, Knox gets down himself and will sometimes have a burst of confidence and energy that shows you his upside and revives faith...but they're farther between now as his jumper is just off and a lot of his confidence comes when he can be a triple threat.
Hezonja: An otherwise disappointing performance was damn near forgiven last night because Mario Hezonja dunked on old Knicks nemesis Marquess Chriss and made sure to look him in the eyes after. Unfortunately this wasn't a Super Mario night, more like he grabbed the star for that temporary boost and than went back to whatever the rest of the performance was. Mario got up 2/8 shooting for 5 points and 5 rebounds in 16 minutes. He really didn't have much resistance for Kevin Love defensively either which may be what drove his minutes down although the whole performance was pretty weak. That dunk though...salute for that. This dude is the shining example of "if he ever puts it together" statements.
DJ: Dear Deandre Jordan, thank you for being the veteran leader we were looking for. Jordan pulled aside a listless Dennis Smith in the third quarter and had an animated discussion that looked like all encouragement. Smith closed that quarter strong and Knox also picked up his energy at that juncture. It's those little moments where Jordan's value shows up beyond his steady stream of efficient interior points and boards. DJ put up 12 (5/7 FGA) and 10 with a pair of assists and a block; but his highlights were the pep talk, celebrating Hezonja's dunk and literally picking up Frank Ntilikina to hype up teammates at one point (love seeing an injured player still so involved with his team ;). Jordan plays well too, he's a presence inside and sets strong picks plus rolls hard to the basket. He makes life easier that way for ball handlers.
Allen: Kadeem Allen belongs on an NBA roster. I don't know that he'd ever crack a contender's rotation but last night's performance was enough to show he doesn't need the G-league any more. Allen pumped in 25 points, 6 assists and 3 boards on 10/16 shooting. He was our most consistently engaged defensive guard as well. With the Cavs giving everyone space, Allen took opportunities to shoot from his comfort zones (mostly midrange) and was patient on forays inside. You could see age and reps in his patience before picking up his dribble, especially in the paint surrounded by red (maroon?) jerseys. This dude was the one keeping the Knicks in it for a while, great performance.
Trier: Iso-Zo is all out of sorts lately too. He even had trouble at the free throw line. Zo put up 4, 2 and 2 in 17 minutes on 1/5 from the field and 2/4 from the free throw line. His constant attacking style has fallen off with less touches and more quick passing; I think this adjustment will bare fruit but it's severely limited his impact lately. I see the passing and attempts to improve as a playmaker though, he threw a Mitch lob to Vonleh at one point which I chuckled at but appreciated. I'm curious if getting him back in there with Frank and Dot, who he'd looked comfortable running alongside, might help but I also think this may be similar to Knox...the dreaded rookie wall.
Jenkins: John Jenkins tore up the G-league for a while and seemed like an apt call up. Last night he put up 7 points in 9 minutes on 3/5 shooting and showed why he earned a call up. Dude can flat out score, he's probably the best shooter they've got with everyone else struggling or shying away from jumpers. Fiz even got Jenkins the ball with a chance to tie at the buzzer. Allen/Jenkins may have been the most fun backcourt tandem of the night. Anyway, it was just 9 minutes and I'm not about to get ahead of myself. It was a good debut though and with the Knicks specific needs, he could be a bigger addition than you'd expect.
Vonleh: Still not the Noah Vonleh was got accustomed to all year, but he was better than some recent ugly games. Vonleh played 17 minutes and pushed up 4 points, 4 boards and 2 blocks in solid but pedestrian minutes. He was 2/5 shooting and converted only at the basket. It's the missing jumper that has locked him up moreso than anything else, as he can't punish defenses that space him off. Defensively though, he was back to himself and a presence.
Mitch: Perhaps you've read a few of these and are tired of my gushing about Mitchell Robinson...I don't care though, look at this line. 10 points, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks in 24 minutes on 5/6 shooting. The new bit of excitement, he only picked up 3 fouls in the process. The subtle improvement? Mitch is getting better position for offensive boards, especially after guards collapse the defense. He spent a chunk of last night just swooping in for follows when Allen or Smith got inside but couldn't convert. Those guys' misses were still productive plays because Mitch was out there in his moon shoes above everyone and rising faster than anybody. Robinson's hands are also much improved as he's been digging out the low passes and the ones in traffic better and doing the same on boards. It's a full time job to contain him as a defense because he's relentless and even if you do, he's going to torture you on the other end because he's equally relentless. With DJ as a guide, I think we're already seeing improvements in important areas for his growth.
Luke: Luke Kornet might be too slow footed to consistently rock in this small ball dominant NBA, but put him in the zone and he's not bad. I'm naturally repelled by the zone but with most of our bigs unable to space the floor, finding this sophomore time to fire off three's could be helpful. Luke had 6 points, 1 board, 1 steal and 1 block in a brief 12 minutes that found him closing out the game after not getting burn early. He was 2/5 from three with just 1 attempt inside. Normally the center having such skewed numbers toward perimeter play is something I hate on; but with how the Cavs chose to defend, he was a welcome change to the formula. On defense, he was able to co-exist with Mitch because the zone defense freed him from chasing anyone too far from the rim where his shotblocking can have value. It was a promising look due to the Knicks' unique needs, not too different from the Jenkins brief run.
Fiz: It's hard to pin blame on a coach when young players are emotional or struggling to find consistency...that's just how most young players are. But it does bother me that Dennis Smith came out of a conversation with Deandre Jordan more fired up (and effective) than he came out of any timeout. The same is true of the G-league players, they inherently have more to play for right now than the rest of these guys but it still hurts to see them lead the way in terms of energy and competitiveness. There are explanations and reasons to be optimistic about the red flags. The young guys regressing have played big minutes, a good thing, and this is the time of year where fatigue doesn't shock you for youngsters. Teams are also in better shape to key on young guys that haven't dealt with the attention to detail they'll be facing. Basically, if you hated Fiz so far than there's more evidence to be mad and if you liked him the evidence is too flimsy to change your mind. For me, I'm just as on the fence as ever, but staying hopeful. We've seen enough bursts of quality from all the kids to hope consistency comes with time and physical development. But I don't want to ignore potential issues, I just want to acknowledge the word "potential" here because it's still a "wait to see more" circumstance for me.
DSJr: There were all the signs of youth, both the promise and frustrating traits, in Dennis Smith Jr's game against the Cavs. Smith couldn't get himself into a consistent rhythm but still found some seams to score and pass respectably over the night, although his assist totals were hurt by poor shooting around him. The 21 year old spent 31 minutes notching 10 points on 5/12 shooting along with 4 assists, 2 boards, 3 steals and 2 blocks. The Cavs gave Smith (and others) space and his jumper wasn't there to keep them honest. This led to his forays to the paint getting cut off and forcing kickouts, which showed off a superior vision to other similar downhill players that the Knicks have tried out. But it also showed him picking up his dribble prematurely and jump passing unnecessarily. This didn't cause TO's but it's a habit that you can't expect to get away with all the time. The defensive end was a mixed bag as well in spite of the numbers. Two of the steals came picking off poor outlet passes from Kevin Love which you don't see too often on most nights. The blocks showed off what Smith can do locked in, similar to Trier's timing and ability to recover when beaten. But Smith also had lapses and mistakes especially early in the game. Smith also gets down on himself and the refs out there a bit too much, Deandre Jordan had to give him a pep talk in the third quarter and he visibly played better after with his best stint of the game.
Dotson: Damyean Dotson was my picture of consistency but the jumper's gone and even his defense isn't where it was to start the season. He didn't log heavy minutes last season and I'm wondering if he's hitting a wall like some of our rookies, with tired legs. Dot spent 22 minutes tallying 8 points, 5 boards and 1 assist on 2/6 shooting from the field. With Timmy out and Knox struggling, Dot is probably our best three point threat out there but he only put up 2 long attempts. Part of this may just be issues of spacing, teams are backing off certain guys which allows Dot's man to stay close to home. But tracking back to early Dotson reviews from the summer league, one of my complaints was a lack of assertiveness. He'll let the game come to him to a fault. This may be a regression to the mean on that note. All that said, 8 and 5 on 6 attempts while playing solid (but not great) defense is nothing to get too down on. We just may be finding out that Dot's more prepared to be the back up SG than carry the weight of a typical starting SG in this league.
Knox: Let's not mince words, Kevin Knox has hit the rookie wall like a Wile E. Coyote cartoon. It looks like a combination of tired legs and mental aspects kicking in as he's missing wide open jumpers and pressing on his drives to the basket. Like Smith, he's being given extra space and just not cashing in on the looks that he chewed defenses up with all throughout December. Knox went 5/16 shooting and just 1/7 from three in 36 minutes while doing some solid things outside of scoring. He put up 13 points, 6 rebounds and 3 assists but also had 3 turnovers. He still flashes the ability to grab difficult rebounds and also has made incremental improvements defensively. He's rotating and involved at the rim more often in weakside situations. But it's incremental improvement here and he'll have to be more efficient to be a positive sum player. Like Smith, Knox gets down himself and will sometimes have a burst of confidence and energy that shows you his upside and revives faith...but they're farther between now as his jumper is just off and a lot of his confidence comes when he can be a triple threat.
Hezonja: An otherwise disappointing performance was damn near forgiven last night because Mario Hezonja dunked on old Knicks nemesis Marquess Chriss and made sure to look him in the eyes after. Unfortunately this wasn't a Super Mario night, more like he grabbed the star for that temporary boost and than went back to whatever the rest of the performance was. Mario got up 2/8 shooting for 5 points and 5 rebounds in 16 minutes. He really didn't have much resistance for Kevin Love defensively either which may be what drove his minutes down although the whole performance was pretty weak. That dunk though...salute for that. This dude is the shining example of "if he ever puts it together" statements.
DJ: Dear Deandre Jordan, thank you for being the veteran leader we were looking for. Jordan pulled aside a listless Dennis Smith in the third quarter and had an animated discussion that looked like all encouragement. Smith closed that quarter strong and Knox also picked up his energy at that juncture. It's those little moments where Jordan's value shows up beyond his steady stream of efficient interior points and boards. DJ put up 12 (5/7 FGA) and 10 with a pair of assists and a block; but his highlights were the pep talk, celebrating Hezonja's dunk and literally picking up Frank Ntilikina to hype up teammates at one point (love seeing an injured player still so involved with his team ;). Jordan plays well too, he's a presence inside and sets strong picks plus rolls hard to the basket. He makes life easier that way for ball handlers.
Allen: Kadeem Allen belongs on an NBA roster. I don't know that he'd ever crack a contender's rotation but last night's performance was enough to show he doesn't need the G-league any more. Allen pumped in 25 points, 6 assists and 3 boards on 10/16 shooting. He was our most consistently engaged defensive guard as well. With the Cavs giving everyone space, Allen took opportunities to shoot from his comfort zones (mostly midrange) and was patient on forays inside. You could see age and reps in his patience before picking up his dribble, especially in the paint surrounded by red (maroon?) jerseys. This dude was the one keeping the Knicks in it for a while, great performance.
Trier: Iso-Zo is all out of sorts lately too. He even had trouble at the free throw line. Zo put up 4, 2 and 2 in 17 minutes on 1/5 from the field and 2/4 from the free throw line. His constant attacking style has fallen off with less touches and more quick passing; I think this adjustment will bare fruit but it's severely limited his impact lately. I see the passing and attempts to improve as a playmaker though, he threw a Mitch lob to Vonleh at one point which I chuckled at but appreciated. I'm curious if getting him back in there with Frank and Dot, who he'd looked comfortable running alongside, might help but I also think this may be similar to Knox...the dreaded rookie wall.
Jenkins: John Jenkins tore up the G-league for a while and seemed like an apt call up. Last night he put up 7 points in 9 minutes on 3/5 shooting and showed why he earned a call up. Dude can flat out score, he's probably the best shooter they've got with everyone else struggling or shying away from jumpers. Fiz even got Jenkins the ball with a chance to tie at the buzzer. Allen/Jenkins may have been the most fun backcourt tandem of the night. Anyway, it was just 9 minutes and I'm not about to get ahead of myself. It was a good debut though and with the Knicks specific needs, he could be a bigger addition than you'd expect.
Vonleh: Still not the Noah Vonleh was got accustomed to all year, but he was better than some recent ugly games. Vonleh played 17 minutes and pushed up 4 points, 4 boards and 2 blocks in solid but pedestrian minutes. He was 2/5 shooting and converted only at the basket. It's the missing jumper that has locked him up moreso than anything else, as he can't punish defenses that space him off. Defensively though, he was back to himself and a presence.
Mitch: Perhaps you've read a few of these and are tired of my gushing about Mitchell Robinson...I don't care though, look at this line. 10 points, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks in 24 minutes on 5/6 shooting. The new bit of excitement, he only picked up 3 fouls in the process. The subtle improvement? Mitch is getting better position for offensive boards, especially after guards collapse the defense. He spent a chunk of last night just swooping in for follows when Allen or Smith got inside but couldn't convert. Those guys' misses were still productive plays because Mitch was out there in his moon shoes above everyone and rising faster than anybody. Robinson's hands are also much improved as he's been digging out the low passes and the ones in traffic better and doing the same on boards. It's a full time job to contain him as a defense because he's relentless and even if you do, he's going to torture you on the other end because he's equally relentless. With DJ as a guide, I think we're already seeing improvements in important areas for his growth.
Luke: Luke Kornet might be too slow footed to consistently rock in this small ball dominant NBA, but put him in the zone and he's not bad. I'm naturally repelled by the zone but with most of our bigs unable to space the floor, finding this sophomore time to fire off three's could be helpful. Luke had 6 points, 1 board, 1 steal and 1 block in a brief 12 minutes that found him closing out the game after not getting burn early. He was 2/5 from three with just 1 attempt inside. Normally the center having such skewed numbers toward perimeter play is something I hate on; but with how the Cavs chose to defend, he was a welcome change to the formula. On defense, he was able to co-exist with Mitch because the zone defense freed him from chasing anyone too far from the rim where his shotblocking can have value. It was a promising look due to the Knicks' unique needs, not too different from the Jenkins brief run.
Fiz: It's hard to pin blame on a coach when young players are emotional or struggling to find consistency...that's just how most young players are. But it does bother me that Dennis Smith came out of a conversation with Deandre Jordan more fired up (and effective) than he came out of any timeout. The same is true of the G-league players, they inherently have more to play for right now than the rest of these guys but it still hurts to see them lead the way in terms of energy and competitiveness. There are explanations and reasons to be optimistic about the red flags. The young guys regressing have played big minutes, a good thing, and this is the time of year where fatigue doesn't shock you for youngsters. Teams are also in better shape to key on young guys that haven't dealt with the attention to detail they'll be facing. Basically, if you hated Fiz so far than there's more evidence to be mad and if you liked him the evidence is too flimsy to change your mind. For me, I'm just as on the fence as ever, but staying hopeful. We've seen enough bursts of quality from all the kids to hope consistency comes with time and physical development. But I don't want to ignore potential issues, I just want to acknowledge the word "potential" here because it's still a "wait to see more" circumstance for me.
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Nah we have a slate of very winnable games coming up so every loss counts.
Also I've been in here for years preaching tank. I might have been the first one on this entire forum talking about Doncic and tanking for him. Cause that is the only way to get young talent unless you trade away talent in its prime.
Pride turns franchizes into Treadmill team like the Wizards who haven't won 50 games in a season in 40 years. Now they have the worse contract in the league for the second time in about a decade because of pride.
So fukk pride. Get in the top 5 and try to get talent to add to the team.
