Last 18/19 NY Knicks season transmission: "F*** all the haters from you to SAS" See y'all in '20

[OneManGang]

Sure take the best player available but only if he's much better than what you currently have. If a point guard is the best player available at 9 but only marginally better than Frank then that's a waste of a pick.

"Hoping beyond hope" also known as developing a player

If it’s a point guard take him still. Especially one that can score. If anything it builds our pool of tradeable assets. Position doesn’t matter with this team and draft picks. We suck and will suck for a long time. Just take the best player at the 9th, whatever position, no qualifiers

We’ll see in 5 seasons but Frank doesn’t have it. Thats just me though. Obviously I hope it works out but he’s too passive and that offensive game is not going to blossom out of thin air. I don’t see him being more than a utility guy off the bench. You don’t draft that high for a defensive point guard. Again my opinion, I know you nikkas gonna disagree

 

[nyknick]

If it’s a point guard take him still. Especially one that can score. If anything it builds our pool of tradeable assets. Position doesn’t matter with this team and draft picks. We suck and will suck for a long time. Just take the best player at the 9th, whatever position, no qualifiers

We’ll see in 5 seasons but Frank doesn’t have it. Thats just me though. Obviously I hope it works out but he’s too passive and that offensive game is not going to blossom out of thin air. I don’t see him being more than a utility guy off the bench. You don’t draft that high for a defensive point guard. Again my opinion, I know you nikkas gonna disagree

Again if he's not exponentially better than a player we have and is not a generational talent you are not building tradeable assets but devaluing the ones you have.

And what's with this idea that Knicks must have a chucker at the guard position? First it was Malik Monk hype and now that he can't get off the bench people are pretending that Knicks are only team that made a huge mistake not taking Mitchell, meanwhile no one mentions every other team (except Celtics) that should've taken him. How come nobody traded up to take him? Then the DSJ to Knicks hype even though everyone knows Knicks history with knee injuries. If he's Steve Francis reincarnated why is he falling down to 10?

If Mudiay trade shows front office opinion of Frank then that's more of an indictment of our Front Office than Frank. How did the Mudiay experiment work out? He ended up glued to the bench with both Trey-I and Frank out playing him. All that trade accomplished was taking valuable development time away from Frank and showing us that the coaching staff wasn't shyt, change of scenery with Hornacek and Rambis didn't reinvigorate Mudiay.

Obviously our opinion of Frank differs vastly but we can both objectively agree that he is already quality defender, high iq player, motivated to learn and while weak offensively his shot is fluid and there's no reason why it shouldn't improve. Now it's on Knicks to develop him, I don't think telling the kid to play more pick-up games is going to do it.

Let's see Fizdale get his hands on him and mould him every interview this guy is talking about getting his hands on someone

If I didn't know better I would've thought Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole were all-nba first and second team. And that Fizdale invented the layup

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

If Porter Jr. slides, you take him immediately. If he’s gone, Mikal Bridges is the one. Not sold on Miles in the least

 

[ProlificLurker]

Now imagine Frank in this draft w/ his NBA portfolio saying "One of the youngest prospects in the draft, great shooting mechanics, ELITE LEVEL DEFENSE AGAINST PROS, and potential to grow offensively"

But Frankie was a bad pick.

Comical.

Quoted for emphasis & QFT

 

[OneManGang]

Again if he's not exponentially better than a player we have and is not a generational talent you are not building tradeable assets but devaluing the ones you have.

And what's with this idea that Knicks must have a chucker at the guard position? First it was Malik Monk hype and now that he can't get off the bench people are pretending that Knicks are only team that made a huge mistake not taking Mitchell, meanwhile no one mentions every other team (except Celtics) that should've taken him. How come nobody traded up to take him? Then the DSJ to Knicks hype even though everyone knows Knicks history with knee injuries. If he's Steve Francis reincarnated why is he falling down to 10?

If Mudiay trade shows front office opinion of Frank then that's more of an indictment of our Front Office than Frank. How did the Mudiay experiment work out? He ended up glued to the bench with both Trey-I and Frank out playing him. All that trade accomplished was taking valuable development time away from Frank and showing us that the coaching staff wasn't shyt, change of scenery with Hornacek and Rambis didn't reinvigorate Mudiay.

Obviously our opinion of Frank differs vastly but we can both objectively agree that he is already quality defender, high iq player, motivated to learn and while weak offensively his shot is fluid and there's no reason why it shouldn't improve. Now it's on Knicks to develop him, I don't think telling the kid to play more pick-up games is going to do it.

Let's see Fizdale get his hands on him and mould him every interview this guy is talking about getting his hands on someone

If I didn't know better I would've thought Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole were all-nba first and second team. And that Fizdale invented the layup

That's the thing. I do NOT trust this team to develop anyone. I think if that's what we're hoping for then you guys have way more faith in this franchise than I do at this point. Added to that, Frank has to be willing to change his play style as well, which is yet to be seen. Dudes been a pro for a while now, so I don't want to use age as a cop out for him. Obviously he will get better with NBA experience, but developing a more aggressive instinct isn't always promised. We need someone who comes in and is out the gate ready...which we fukked up our chances of doing by winning all those games early in the season

fukk Utah, lucky b*stards picked 9th and got a generational talent . We gonna end up with another Jordan Hill, Channing Frye ass nikka. Looking at our last decade of 1st round picks (bar KP) and the players taken after or right before us is depressing.

 

[ProlificLurker]

That's the thing. I do NOT trust this team to develop anyone. I think if that's what we're hoping for then you guys have way more faith in this franchise than I do at this point. Added to that, Frank has to be willing to change his play style as well, which is yet to be seen. Dudes been a pro for a while now, so I don't want to use age as a cop out for him. Obviously he will get better with NBA experience, but developing a more aggressive instinct isn't always promised. We need someone who comes in and is out the gate ready...which we fukked up our chances of doing by winning all those games early in the season

fukk Utah, lucky b*stards picked 9th and got a generational talent . We gonna end up with another Jordan Hill, Channing Frye ass nikka. Looking at our last decade of 1st round picks (bar KP) and the players taken after or right before us is depressing.

Utah picked 13th. Even as an ardent Frank supporter/believer, I can admit we missed on Mitchell. So did 11 other teams.

Aside from that, we had Jeff as coach last season with his favoritism towards vets. D-Mitch would have been buried on the bench behind the likes of THJR and Courtney Lee for most of the season

 

[OneManGang]

Utah picked 13th. Even as an ardent Frank supporter/believer, I can admit we missed on Mitchell. So did 11 other teams.

Aside from that, we had Jeff as coach last season with his favoritism towards vets. D-Mitch would have been buried on the bench behind the likes of THJR and Courtney Lee for most of the season

Oh that’s facts. We would’ve made D Mitch look like a 13th pick.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Utah picked 13th. Even as an ardent Frank supporter/believer, I can admit we missed on Mitchell. So did 11 other teams.

Aside from that, we had Jeff as coach last season with his favoritism towards vets. D-Mitch would have been buried on the bench behind the likes of THJR and Courtney Lee for most of the season

never thought about that
good point

 

[ikbm]

My guy frankie

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

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[ISO]

Bullshyt.

 

[ISO]

If it’s a point guard take him still. Especially one that can score. If anything it builds our pool of tradeable assets. Position doesn’t matter with this team and draft picks. We suck and will suck for a long time. Just take the best player at the 9th, whatever position, no qualifiers

We’ll see in 5 seasons but Frank doesn’t have it. Thats just me though. Obviously I hope it works out but he’s too passive and that offensive game is not going to blossom out of thin air. I don’t see him being more than a utility guy off the bench. You don’t draft that high for a defensive point guard. Again my opinion, I know you nikkas gonna disagree

Why would we take a PG? We have Trey Burke, a 25 year old PG that can score (21/8 per 36 minutes last season), we have Frank Ntlikina who is supposed to be our guard prospect of the future, Emmanuel Mudiay who is supposed to be a reclamation project, and Ron Baker who is still under contract. So why would we take a PG?

Trae Young is going to be a defensive sieve and a poor finisher at the basket, he has high bust potential. His stock is banking on him being the shot creator, shooter, and playmaker he was at Oklahoma. He needs a system catered to him to be successful. Collin Sexton is meh, all that hair makes dude look bigger than he is he measured 6'0.5 barefoot. Son is a streaky shooter and one of those guys that always forces ill-advised drives to the basket and doesn't finish well despite highlight plays. Also, a guy that doesn't move well off the ball. His biggest strength is his motor. I don't think he's a talent that moves the needle much. PG is the deepest position in the league.

I rather take either of the Bridges, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Kevin Knox than go after them PG's especially Sexton.

Frank's offensive game will develop. For guys like Jimmy, Kawhi, Giannis, PG-13 who came into the league as defenders yeah their offense just blossomed out of thin air, every year they improved, every year they got stronger and added tricks to their bag. Hopefully, that's what will happen with Frank. His offense struggles are mostly from lack of weight and passiveness, he is fundamentally sound and has good shooting mechanics, he's 19 he hasn't unlocked his athletic potential, he can get much stronger, he has moves he hasn't mastered. Be patient, he has strong work ethic. He's a guy who is already an elite defender.

I don't think we'll suck for a long time if the rebuild is done properly. We hired a strong coach, have a lottery pick coming up, our franchise player looks legit and will likely come back from the ACL tear successfully, we're going to be due for cap space, and we have some interesting pieces with Frank, THJ, Burke.

 

[OneManGang]

Why would we take a PG? We have Trey Burke, a 25 year old PG that can score (21/8 per 36 minutes last season), we have Frank Ntlikina who is supposed to be our guard prospect of the future, Emmanuel Mudiay who is supposed to be a reclamation project, and Ron Baker who is still under contract. So why would we take a PG?

Trae Young is going to be a defensive sieve and a poor finisher at the basket, he has high bust potential. His stock is banking on him being the shot creator, shooter, and playmaker he was at Oklahoma. He needs a system catered to him to be successful. Collin Sexton is meh, all that hair makes dude look bigger than he is he measured 6'0.5 barefoot. Son is a streaky shooter and one of those guys that always forces ill-advised drives to the basket and doesn't finish well despite highlights. Also, a guy that doesn't move well off the ball. His biggest strength is his motor. I don't think he's a talent that moves the needle much. PG is the deepest position in the league.

I rather take either of the Bridges, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Kevin Knox than go after them PG's.

Frank's offensive game will develop. For guys like Jimmy, Kawhi, Giannis, PG-13 who came into the league as defenders yeah their offense just blossomed out of thin air, every year they improved, every year they got stronger and added tricks to their bag. Hopefully, that's what will happen with Frank. His offense struggles are mostly from lack of weight and passiveness, he is fundamentally sound and has good shooting mechanics, he's 19 he hasn't unlocked his athletic potential, he can get much stronger, he has moves he hasn't mastered. Be patient, he has strong work ethic. He's a guy who is already an elite defender.

I don't think we'll suck for a long time if the rebuild is done properly. We hired a strong coach, have a lottery pick coming up, our franchise player looks legit and will likely come back from the ACL tear successfully, we're going to be due for cap space, and we have some interesting pieces with Frank, THJ, Burke.

I’m tired of this discussion. I’ll just reiterate. Take whoever is the best player available at 9 regardless of position. That’s it. I wish Frank the best of luck and hope he becomes a great superstar Knick. I dont share your unbridled enthusiasm though.

EDIT: I can’t believe you’re saying dont take a PG because we’ve got Trey Burke, Ron Baker, and Mudiay Come on bruh. I do agree I’m not sold on any of the guards but Trae Young does still intrigue me. If he’s there why not? Just another project if anything. We seem to like those

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Trey Burke is a legitimately good player now.He looks like he can be a 17/8 type of guy(with few turnovers) with some talent around him. He wont shoot like he did last year, and if the Knicks lose Beasley and Kanter his numbers will suffer since teams will defend him as a #1 option, but at worst he's still a great stop gap while frank develops and pgs hit free agency. PG is the deepest position by far in the league, and it deflates the value of non elite pg's a good bit, so its the easiest position to find someone serviceable at in case Trey and Frank doesnt work out. Two-way Wing players are the guys who have premium value now.

 

[ProlificLurker]

I’m tired of this discussion. I’ll just reiterate. Take whoever is the best player available at 9 regardless of position. That’s it. I wish Frank the best of luck and hope he becomes a great superstar Knick. I dont share your unbridled enthusiasm though.

EDIT: I can’t believe you’re saying dont take a PG because we’ve got Trey Burke, Ron Baker, and Mudiay Come on bruh. I do agree I’m not sold on any of the guards but Trae Young does still intrigue me. If he’s there why not? Just another project if anything. We seem to like those

Agree to disagree on Frank, but agree 100% on the bolded

Cant let back ups & reclamation projects dictate who you pick in the lottery, and Im as dead set against taking a guard as anyone on here

Dont feel like the guards in this draft are anything special, but if they do draft another guard project, SGA is an intriguing prospect to take a flyer on