Last 18/19 NY Knicks season transmission: "F*** all the haters from you to SAS" See y'all in '20

[Stop_It_5]

If KD is demanding AD at the cost of not having any backup, you go for Kawhi and Kyrie. AD will be a free agent next year and then you have AD, Kyrie and Kawhi as well as Mitch and Knox, automatic ring plus your picks for 2021 and 2023.

Kawhi's not on the table, I'm viewing him as Toronto or LAC just like I'm viewing KD as GS or NY. If KD tells the team he wants AD as his running mate and he'll figure it out from there, you get it done to secure him. Waiting until next summer sounds cool but if KD isn't interested in wasting a season preserving that max slot you scrap that plan.

Mitch, Knox, the #3, the Dallas 1s, that's all potential. It sounds good, it's nice to fantasize about what it can become, but when an All-Time player is on the table you move heaven and earth to get him in the building.

 

[Peter Popoff]

Melo situation all over again? KD and AD and probably Kyrie is 10x better then Melo and a damaged goods Amare I don’t see how it’s comparable at all.

As far as Knox being a star? You might be the only person alive who saw star potential last year.

But you're gutting role players to find stars so now these stars have no backup. Now what happens if Kyrie, KD or AD gets injured? Your gonna have that bum from the D leagues (Hezonja is good), Mudiay and Kornet starting??? That shyt is stupid. I hope our front office ain't dumb enough to go that route for AD unless they 100% know that Knox is a bust. Let's not forget the night's Knox had 29 pt career high games. Sure he hit a rookie wall but Fizdale had him playing an uncomfortable position at 4 which he didn't play in Kentucky in his rookie year. Scoring 29 in your rookie year is pretty fukking impressive especially when comparing him to the Bridges.

 

[DPresidential]

Knox honestly has another season before any team will dedicate a season of concrete starter duties to him. Unless he shows some serious physical growth.

Whatever happens this offseason, I don't see Knox starting unless it's going to be another "wait for the lottery" year.

I've spent some time away from the thread and way from Knicks news and I have an adjusted perspective.

I don't want another Frank. I don't really want to trade the no. 3 pick unless the picks we move to are for players that we REALLY believe won't be a project. I'm not looking to get into that again. I want a goal of a faster developmental turn around time.

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As a layman, looking at Barrett play, I honestly feel like he resembles a young player who, when he's great, you'll look back on his college highlights and say, "Damn, he legit moves and looks like a man playing basketball." I don't taut myself as an expert; there is just something very safe and solid I see about his game, albeit naturally flawed as a young player.

I want the Knicks to be calling the names of either Ja Morant or Barrett at the start of the season.

 

[Peter Popoff]

Kawhi's not on the table, I'm viewing him as Toronto or LAC just like I'm viewing KD as GS or NY. If KD tells the team he wants AD as his running mate and he'll figure it out from there, you get it done to secure him. Waiting until next summer sounds cool but if KD isn't interested in wasting a season preserving that max slot you scrap that plan.

Mitch, Knox, the #3, the Dallas 1s, that's all potential. It sounds good, it's nice to fantasize about what it can become, but when an All-Time player is on the table you move heaven and earth to get him in the building.

If an all time player that's about to get 3 rings wants to be impatient at the risk of placing a permanent dent in the team despite you giving him a max contract and he will definitely have a star with him, you kick him to the curb and be patient because that motherfukker is too greedy. AD is good but fukk that shyt. Us getting Kyrie without KD is still an upgrade to get us in the playoffs and match Brooklyn nonetheless.

 

[DPresidential]

Kawhi's not on the table, I'm viewing him as Toronto or LAC just like I'm viewing KD as GS or NY. If KD tells the team he wants AD as his running mate and he'll figure it out from there, you get it done to secure him. Waiting until next summer sounds cool but if KD isn't interested in wasting a season preserving that max slot you scrap that plan.

Mitch, Knox, the #3, the Dallas 1s, that's all potential. It sounds good, it's nice to fantasize about what it can become, but when an All-Time player is on the table you move heaven and earth to get him in the building.

fukk, I hate to say it but the above is true.

I'm a proud "fan fan", not a "analytics and cut and dry fan." Meaning, I love the game for its magic and the potential greatness of growing with the personality of the team.

I wouldn't trade trade my whole knicks team for the whole warriors team even if it were possible because even if it is a guaranteed chip...it isn't my team even if it's under the knicks logo. I would LOVE to be able to be nonchalant about established stars and build something beautiful...

But, if Durant says I'll sign if y'all also get AD, I will understand the Knicks doing it even if it means losing all of these young guys that we looked at as homegrown sons. Sucks, though. Because then it would just be Durant, Kyrie and AD win a chip...for the knicks as opposed to it feeling like the knicks won the chip!

 

[Stop_It_5]

If an all time player that's about to gst 3 rings wants to be impatient at the risk of placing a permanent dent in the team despite you giving him a max contract and he will definitely have a star with him, you kick him to the curb and be patient because that motherfukker is too greedy. AD is good but fukk that shyt. Us getting Kyrie without KD is still an upgrade to get us in the playoffs and match Brooklyn nonetheless.

Kyrie being the main play is the worst thing we can do this summer, matching Brooklyns 6th seed playoff run isn't something to aspire to.

You're letting emotion cloud your judgement, as I said before all those things on the table are potential. Mitch, Knox, #3, future Dallas 1s, allowing any of those things to stop you from making a play to secure Kevin fukking Durant is absolute nonsense.

 

[Frump]

But you're gutting role players to find stars so now these stars have no backup. Now what happens if Kyrie, KD or AD gets injured? Your gonna have that bum from the D leagues (Hezonja is good), Mudiay and Kornet starting??? That shyt is stupid. I hope our front office ain't dumb enough to go that route for AD unless they 100% know that Knox is a bust. Let's not forget the night's Knox had 29 pt career high games. Sure he hit a rookie wall but Fizdale had him playing an uncomfortable position at 4 which he didn't play in Kentucky in his rookie year. Scoring 29 in your rookie year is pretty fukking impressive especially when comparing him to the Bridges.

You can’t play the what if game with injuries. It’s impossible to predict it happening.

All I know is stars win titles and if you can pair together two top 5 players in the league and another all star with a ring you do it and don’t blink. It’s much easier to find role players to fit around your stars then to get top of the league players.

A core of Barrett Knox and Mitchell is never gonna get us anywhere so to stop a chance at contending because of any of these players would be stupid

 

[23Barrettcity]

How when Zion is a 4? Knox is a 3. He's been playing 4 on the Knicks cause we have no 4s on the team besides Vonleh. That's why we need to trade in our 3 for the 8 and 10 and get another 4 then pick up a cheap 4 in the draft instead of AD then get KD and Kyrie.

No . Two players >>> one player . Our best bet is to pick the best available player unless the trade is like 5/6 .

 

[RickyGQ]

We get rid of Knox, Zo, Dotson and gut a team full of potential for AD and I'm outta here. Melo situation all over again. I'm so high on Knox being a star, I'm that delusional. I'd love to see him work with KD and I'm delusional enough to believe he will be a top 10 forward in the next 5 years. I don't think the Knicks front office is incompetent enough to listen to some of it's wrong fans and create an error.

If Knox went to NO to play with Zion, I have no doubt that team will be top 5 in the west in 2 years.

While I’m hesitant to gut the roster as well, this isn’t the Melo situation. The idea is to get AD an match him with another star (or 2).

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Its no way to say this without sounding like a homer, but I really do believe the Knicks have the best offer for AD, or at the least its debatable with the Clippers offer. Our players would fit extremely well on the Pelicans, Mitch and Barrett are high level talents, and we can offer the most picks. Also, if any of the other players in the deal reaches their ceiling, or if one of those Dallas picks end up a lottery pick( a injury to KP could make that happen ), then the deal could end up a major win for the Pelicans and end up in "wtf were the Knicks thinking?" territory a few years from now. Mitch, Barrett, Zion and Dsjr would be fun as fukk to watch together too, they'd be most athletic team in the league imo. But regardless of what happens this summer Im good, trade or no trade the Knicks are in a fine position going forward

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

The Knicks gotta wait til after free agency to trade for Davis though. The Knicks need to see if they can even sign two max players first, and taking on Davis's salary would make it impossible to sign those 2 max players in the first place. If the Pelicans make a trade draft night, the Knicks likely won't be involved.

 

[BAMBA]

You can’t play the what if game with injuries. It’s impossible to predict it happening.

All I know is stars win titles and if you can pair together two top 5 players in the league and another all star with a ring you do it and don’t blink. It’s much easier to find role players to fit around your stars then to get top of the league players.

A core of Barrett Knox and Mitchell is never gonna get us anywhere so to stop a chance at contending because of any of these players would be stupid

Have to agree.

I’d love to keep Mitch, but not at the cost of missing out on AD. His best case scenario is still likely below what AD is right now.
Knox, DSJ, and obviously Barrett have not reached that level of “untradeable”, so again, if they gotta go they gotta go.

A trio of AD, KD, and Kyrie make you serious championship contenders, and they are all young enough that it wouldn’t even be a “last hurrah” type of situation (e.g. 2008 Celtics)...they could easily pull off a dynasty.

But all I need is one...

 

[RickyGQ]

The Knicks gotta wait til after free agency to trade for Davis though. The Knicks need to see if they can even sign two max players first, and taking on Davis's salary would make it impossible to sign those 2 max players in the first place. If the Pelicans make a trade draft night, the Knicks likely won't be involved.

If you already know Kawhi, Kyrie and Kemba are gone, then it doesn’t really matter. Trading for AD on draft night means you don’t have to match salaries which means we can keep a few of our pieces like Dotson, Trier and Frank. Pelicans could be more motivated to do this in draft night too so they can get the young core to gel together at summer league.

This would leave us with like 15 million or so in cap space and then the mid level exception (if I’m not mistaken).

You can split the 15 for Pat Bev and Marcus Morris. Grab Noah at the mid level and resign Kadeem Allen, Hezonja, Lance and Kornet on min. deals

Beverley/Frank/Allen
Dotson/Trier
KD/Hezonja
Morris/Vonleh/Lance
AD/Kornet/2nd Round big

This team can win the east easily.

 

[Wargames]

I’m a complete homer for the 2 stars and youth movement.....

 

[RickyGQ]

I’m a complete homer for the 2 stars and youth movement.....

Same....