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DeepSeek’s new AI model appears to be one of the best ‘open’ challengers yet​


Kyle Wiggers

11:44 AM PST · December 26, 2024



A Chinese lab has created what appears to be one of the most powerful “open” AI models to date.

The model, DeepSeek V3, was developed by the AI firm DeepSeek and was released on Wednesday under a permissive license that allows developers to download and modify it for most applications, including commercial ones.

DeepSeek V3 can handle a range of text-based workloads and tasks, like coding, translating, and writing essays and emails from a descriptive prompt.

According to DeepSeek’s internal benchmark testing, DeepSeek V3 outperforms both downloadable, “openly” available models and “closed” AI models that can only be accessed through an API. In a subset of coding competitions hosted on Codeforces, a platform for programming contests, DeepSeek outperforms other models, including Meta’s Llama 3.1 405B, OpenAI’s GPT-4o, and Alibaba’s Qwen 2.5 72B.

DeepSeek V3 also crushes the competition on Aider Polyglot, a test designed to measure, among other things, whether a model can successfully write new code that integrates into existing code.

DeepSeek-V3!

60 tokens/second (3x faster than V2!)

API compatibility intact

Fully open-source models & papers

671B MoE parameters

37B activated parameters

Trained on 14.8T high-quality tokens

Beats Llama 3.1 405b on almost every benchmark x.com pic.twitter.com/jVwJU07dqf

— Chubby♨️ (@kimmonismus) December 26, 2024

DeepSeek claims that DeepSeek V3 was trained on a dataset of 14.8 trillion tokens. In data science, tokens are used to represent bits of raw data — 1 million tokens is equal to about 750,000 words.

It’s not just the training set that’s massive. DeepSeek V3 is enormous in size: 685 billion parameters. (Parameters are the internal variables models use to make predictions or decisions.) That’s around 1.6 times the size of Llama 3.1 405B, which has 405 billion parameters.

DeepSeek (Chinese AI co) making it look easy today with an open weights release of a frontier-grade LLM trained on a joke of a budget (2048 GPUs for 2 months, $6M).

For reference, this level of capability is supposed to require clusters of closer to 16K GPUs, the ones being… x.com

— Andrej Karpathy (@karpathy) December 26, 2024

Parameter count often (but not always) correlates with skill; models with more parameters tend to outperform models with fewer parameters. But large models also require beefier hardware in order to run. An unoptimized version of DeepSeek V3 would need a bank of high-end GPUs to answer questions at reasonable speeds.

While it’s not the most practical model, DeepSeek V3 is an achievement in some respects. DeepSeek was able to train the model using a data center of Nvidia H800 GPUs in just around two months — GPUs that Chinese companies were recently restricted by the U.S. Department of Commerce from procuring. The company also claims it only spent $5.5 million to train DeepSeek V3, a fraction of the development cost of models like OpenAI’s GPT-4.

The downside is that the model’s political views are a bit filtered. Ask DeepSeek V3 about Tiananmen Square, for instance, and it won’t answer.

DeepSeek, being a Chinese company, is subject to benchmarking by China’s internet regulator to ensure its models’ responses “embody core socialist values.” Many Chinese AI systems decline to respond to topics that might raise the ire of regulators, like speculation about the Xi Jinping regime.

DeepSeek, which recently unveiled DeepSeek-R1, an answer to OpenAI’s o1 “reasoning” model, is a curious organization. It’s backed by High-Flyer Capital Management, a Chinese quantitative hedge fund that uses AI to inform its trading decisions.

DeepSeek’s models have forced competitors like ByteDance, Baidu, and Alibaba to cut the usage prices for some of their models — and make others completely free.

High-Flyer builds its own server clusters for model training, one of the most recent of which reportedly has 10,000 Nvidia A100 GPUs and costs 1 billion yen (~$138 million). Founded by Liang Wenfeng, a computer science graduate, High-Flyer aims to achieve “superintelligent” AI through its DeepSeek org.

In an interview earlier this year, Liang described open sourcing as a “cultural act” and characterized closed source AI like OpenAI’s a “temporary” moat. “Even OpenAI’s closed-source approach hasn’t stopped others from catching up,” he noted.

Indeed.
 

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OpenAI’s o3 suggests AI models are scaling in new ways — but so are the costs​


Maxwell Zeff

4:08 PM PST · December 23, 2024



Last month, AI founders and investors told TechCrunch that we’re now in the “second era of scaling laws,” noting how established methods of improving AI models were showing diminishing returns. One promising new method they suggested could keep gains was “test-time scaling,” which seems to be what’s behind the performance of OpenAI’s o3 model — but it comes with drawbacks of its own.

Much of the AI world took the announcement of OpenAI’s o3 model as proof that AI scaling progress has not “hit a wall.” The o3 model does well on benchmarks, significantly outscoring all other models on a test of general ability called ARC-AGI, and scoring 25% on a difficult math test that no other AI model scored more than 2% on.

Of course, we at TechCrunch are taking all this with a grain of salt until we can test o3 for ourselves (very few have tried it so far). But even before o3’s release, the AI world is already convinced that something big has shifted.

The co-creator of OpenAI’s o-series of models, Noam Brown, noted on Friday that the startup is announcing o3’s impressive gains just three months after the startup announced o1 — a relatively short time frame for such a jump in performance.

We announced @OpenAI o1 just 3 months ago. Today, we announced o3. We have every reason to believe this trajectory will continue. pic.twitter.com/Ia0b63RXIk

— Noam Brown (@polynoamial) December 20, 2024
“We have every reason to believe this trajectory will continue,” said Brown in a tweet.

Anthropic co-founder Jack Clark said in a blog post on Monday that o3 is evidence that AI “progress will be faster in 2025 than in 2024.” (Keep in mind that it benefits Anthropic — especially its ability to raise capital — to suggest that AI scaling laws are continuing, even if Clark is complementing a competitor.)

Next year, Clark says the AI world will splice together test-time scaling and traditional pre-training scaling methods to eke even more returns out of AI models. Perhaps he’s suggesting that Anthropic and other AI model providers will release reasoning models of their own in 2025, just like Google did last week.

Test-time scaling means OpenAI is using more compute during ChatGPT’s inference phase, the period of time after you press enter on a prompt. It’s not clear exactly what is happening behind the scenes: OpenAI is either using more computer chips to answer a user’s question, running more powerful inference chips, or running those chips for longer periods of time — 10 to 15 minutes in some cases — before the AI produces an answer. We don’t know all the details of how o3 was made, but these benchmarks are early signs that test-time scaling may work to improve the performance of AI models.

While o3 may give some a renewed belief in the progress of AI scaling laws, OpenAI’s newest model also uses a previously unseen level of compute, which means a higher price per answer.

“Perhaps the only important caveat here is understanding that one reason why O3 is so much better is that it costs more money to run at inference time — the ability to utilize test-time compute means on some problems you can turn compute into a better answer,” Clark writes in his blog. “This is interesting because it has made the costs of running AI systems somewhat less predictable — previously, you could work out how much it cost to serve a generative model by just looking at the model and the cost to generate a given output.”

Clark, and others, pointed to o3’s performance on the ARC-AGI benchmark — a difficult test used to assess breakthroughs on AGI — as an indicator of its progress. It’s worth noting that passing this test, according to its creators, does not mean an AI model has achieved AGI, but rather it’s one way to measure progress toward the nebulous goal. That said, the o3 model blew past the scores of all previous AI models which had done the test, scoring 88% in one of its attempts. OpenAI’s next best AI model, o1, scored just 32%.

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Chart showing the performance of OpenAI’s o-series on the ARC-AGI test.Image Credits:ARC Prize

But the logarithmic x-axis on this chart may be alarming to some. The high-scoring version of o3 used more than $1,000 worth of compute for every task. The o1 models used around $5 of compute per task, and o1-mini used just a few cents.

The creator of the ARC-AGI benchmark, François Chollet, writes in a blog that OpenAI used roughly 170x more compute to generate that 88% score, compared to high-efficiency version of o3 that scored just 12% lower. The high-scoring version of o3 used more than $10,000 of resources to complete the test, which makes it too expensive to compete for the ARC Prize — an unbeaten competition for AI models to beat the ARC test.

However, Chollet says o3 was still a breakthrough for AI models, nonetheless.

“o3 is a system capable of adapting to tasks it has never encountered before, arguably approaching human-level performance in the ARC-AGI domain,” said Chollet in the blog. “Of course, such generality comes at a steep cost, and wouldn’t quite be economical yet: You could pay a human to solve ARC-AGI tasks for roughly $5 per task (we know, we did that), while consuming mere cents in energy.”

It’s premature to harp on the exact pricing of all this — we’ve seen prices for AI models plummet in the last year, and OpenAI has yet to announce how much o3 will actually cost. However, these prices indicate just how much compute is required to break, even slightly, the performance barriers set by leading AI models today.

This raises some questions. What is o3 actually for? And how much more compute is necessary to make more gains around inference with o4, o5, or whatever else OpenAI names its next reasoning models?

It doesn’t seem like o3, or its successors, would be anyone’s “daily driver” like GPT-4o or Google Search might be. These models just use too much compute to answer small questions throughout your day such as, “How can the Cleveland Browns still make the 2024 playoffs?”

Instead, it seems like AI models with scaled test-time compute may only be good for big picture prompts such as, “How can the Cleveland Browns become a Super Bowl franchise in 2027?” Even then, maybe it’s only worth the high compute costs if you’re the general manager of the Cleveland Browns, and you’re using these tools to make some big decisions.

Institutions with deep pockets may be the only ones that can afford o3, at least to start, as Wharton professor Ethan Mollick notes in a tweet.

O3 looks too expensive for most use. But for work in academia, finance & many industrial problems, paying hundreds or even thousands of dollars for a successful answer would not be we prohibitive. If it is generally reliable, o3 will have multiple use cases even before costs drop

— Ethan Mollick (@emollick) December 22, 2024

We’ve already seen OpenAI release a $200 tier to use a high-compute version of o1, but the startup has reportedly weighed creating subscription plans costing up to $2,000. When you see how much compute o3 uses, you can understand why OpenAI would consider it.

But there are drawbacks to using o3 for high-impact work. As Chollet notes, o3 is not AGI, and it still fails on some very easy tasks that a human would do quite easily.

This isn’t necessarily surprising, as large language models still have a huge hallucination problem, which o3 and test-time compute don’t seem to have solved. That’s why ChatGPT and Gemini include disclaimers below every answer they produce, asking users not to trust answers at face value. Presumably AGI, should it ever be reached, would not need such a disclaimer.

One way to unlock more gains in test-time scaling could be better AI inference chips. There’s no shortage of startups tackling just this thing, such as Groq or Cerebras, while other startups are designing more cost-efficient AI chips, such as MatX. Andreessen Horowitz general partner Anjney Midha previously told TechCrunch he expects these startups to play a bigger role in test-time scaling moving forward.

While o3 is a notable improvement to the performance of AI models, it raises several new questions around usage and costs. That said, the performance of o3 does add credence to the claim that test-time compute is the tech industry’s next best way to scale AI models.
 
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