Lamar Jackson is having one of the greatest QB seasons ever

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Lamar is taking his fair share of criticism and will continue to if he sucks in the playoffs again. The guy who really ducks criticism is Allen, I guess given he hasn't won an MVP yet...
MVP’s increase the expectation to perform when it matters most. That’s always been the case in sports.

If Allen wins it, then he should be held to the same standard as others. If Lamar wins it again, then the expectation will be even higher and worse slander if he falls shorts.

Like I say with Mike Tomlin, you can’t hype up regular season success but then start juelze come playoff time if they come up short as we slander others for less.
 

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Allen has had signature wins and has been dominant most of the year, so he's deserving. The real reason he'll win it though, is he has a groundswell of people in media stumping for him...

The argument he's having a better season than Lamar isn't really that strong, but because he doesn't have one yet, and Lamar has 2, he'll get it...

Josh was outstanding in his two signature wins this year (KC and Detroit). Lamar was mid in the Eagles and Chiefs losses. Josh has been great in most other games, Lamar has been great in EVERY other game. Josh sucked vs Baltimore and Houston, his low bar is lower than Lamar who doesn't have a "he sucked" game this year...

And at the high bar they've been equally dominant. Lamar should win it, but I'm okay with Josh winning his first. His play has mostly earned it...

They already having that discussion on Lamar since last year...
Josh allen has the same amount of afc championship game appearances as lamar jackson, his playoff prowess was beating mason rudolph, mac jones, skylar thomspon and a washed up phillip rivers. He lost to a mediocre rams team but got more praise than lamar who threw 5 touchdowns with no ints against the giants, a stat no qb had done that entire season because he tush pushed 3 rushing touchdowns form the 1 yard line. He was outplayed by rookie drake mayes and was saved by his defense against the patriots the worst team in the AFC. There is no reason for allen to win it over lamar not after this game, not after this dominant stretch , their argument was to say how can you be mvp when you arent even winning your own division, ignoring the cake walk the afc east and how easy it is, now lamar has his team first in the division to finish with 12 wins they have no arguments. No need to give allen a free pass at all. What will be the excuse this year when allen loses to mahomes again? Will they have to change another playoff rule?
 

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Josh allen has the same amount of afc championship game appearances as lamar jackson, his playoff prowess was beating mason rudolph, mac jones, skylar thomspon and a washed up phillip rivers. He lost to a mediocre rams team but got more praise than lamar who threw 5 touchdowns with no ints against the giants, a stat no qb had done that entire season because he tush pushed 3 rushing touchdowns form the 1 yard line. He was outplayed by rookie drake mayes and was saved by his defense against the patriots. There is no reason for allen to win it over lamar not after this game, not after this dominant stretch , their argument was to say how can you be mvp when you arent even winning your own division, ignoring the cake walk the afc east and how easy it is, now lamar has his team first in the division to finish with 12 wins they have no arguments. No need to give allen a free pass at all. What will be the excuse this year when allen loses to mahomes again? Will they have to change another playoff rule?
I gave the case for both a few posts up. I think all things even Lamar is more deserving but I understand why Josh could win it; I think Josh WILL win it, and I think he's deserving enough...

It's cool watching all these guys in their prime at the same time. Burrow right up there with them too, he's just not in the conversation because his team sucks...
 

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I gave the case for both a few posts up. I think all things even Lamar is more deserving but I understand why Josh could win it; I think Josh WILL win it, and I think he's deserving enough...

It's cool watching all these guys in their prime at the same time. Burrow right up there with them too, he's just not in the conversation because his team sucks...
I strongly disagree he is deserving of the MVP award over lamar jackson not when the difference in actual play on the field is this clear, not ignoring their strength of schedule, not ignoring lamar blew out josh allen head to head, not ignoring the cake walk that the afc east is and the easy free wins every season.
It will be affirmative action for Allen if he wins it, and from the look of the betting odds his chances has reduced by more than half and is continuing to drop on all betting platforms. he was -1000 odds a week ago
 

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When you think about it, Josh Allen this season might be closer to Jalen Hurts than he is Lamar Jackson. Those sneaks and tush pushes are not as relevant now though :mjpls:



The biggest problem with the MVP prize in both basketball and football is that it's a media prize. And the media start their campaign really early in the season and they just keep on doubling down, it's hard to change large parats of them with facts after they launched their campaigns. They've already wasted a lot of paper, bandwidth, TV-time and money on the people they are backing.
 

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When you think about it, Josh Allen this season might be closer to Jalen Hurts than he is Lamar Jackson :hubie:



The biggest problem with the MVP prize in both basketball and football is that it's a media prize. And the media start their campaign really early in the season and they just keep on doubling down, it's hard to change large parats of them with facts after they launched their campaigns. They've already wasted a lot of paper, bandwidth, TV-time and money on the people they are backing
The main problem with this argument is that the media was literally backing Jackson as MVP before that loss to the Browns and Allen didn't jump ahead until that win over the Chiefs, which looks even more impressive as the season goes on. Pretending otherwise is being disingenous and acting as if he was MVP all alone. Those wins over the Chiefs and Lions helped him more than anything.

The other problem is that Jackson lost to the same Chiefs team that Allen beat. If you want to say that the Ravens aren't the same team that they were back then, you could also apply that to the Texans as they obviously aren't the same team now with the rash of injuries that they've had.
 

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Lamar vs the Texans this season(won 31-2):

10/15 for 168, 2 TD’s, 0 Ints, 4 rushes for 87 yards, 1 TD.

66.7 comp%, 143.9 qbr,


Josh Allen vs the Texans this season(loss 20-23):

9/30 for 131 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 4 rushes for 54 yards

30 Comp%, 56.4 qbr
 
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Lamar vs the Texans this season(won 31-2):

10/15 for 168, 2 TD’s, 0 Ints, 4 rushes for 87 yards, 1 TD.


Josh Allen vs the Texans this season(loss 20-23):

9/30 for 131 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 4 rushes for 54 yards
That Texans team isn't the same team now that they were back then, so it's a bit disingenous to compare the two.

Week 5 vs Week 17 and that's not even factoring the emotional rollcoaster that team had just a few days ago.
 

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The main problem with this argument is that the media was literally backing Jackson as MVP before that loss to the Browns and Allen didn't jump ahead until that win over the Chiefs, which looks even more impressive as the season goes on. Pretending otherwise is being disingenous and acting as if he was MVP all alone. Those wins over the Chiefs and Lions helped him more than anything.

The other problem is that Jackson lost to the same Chiefs team that Allen beat. If you want to say that the Ravens aren't the same team that they were back then, you could also apply that to the Texans as they obviously aren't the same team now with the rash of injuries that they've had.
I don't know about that, I'm one that fully backed Allen until recently when I start reflecting across the whole season, also accounting for heads-up fights where Ravens completely smashed Bills by like 25-30 points. I think I got carried away by the media and a few very spectacular plays like 4th down vs Chiefs. Didn't see anyone talk about Lamar in the beginning as they were like 2-2, then 5-3. Smashing bills was the only memorable game :jbhmm:

As far as the Lions team goes, he was playing against like 8 practice squad members.


And as far as the Browns goes, the only thing anyone talked about that game was how wack his receivers were. "Sun in the eyes", teflon gloves, balls on helmets and on
 

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When you think about it, Josh Allen this season might be closer to Jalen Hurts than he is Lamar Jackson. Those sneaks and tush pushes are not as relevant now though :mjpls:



The biggest problem with the MVP prize in both basketball and football is that it's a media prize. And the media start their campaign really early in the season and they just keep on doubling down, it's hard to change large parats of them with facts after they launched their campaigns. They've already wasted a lot of paper, bandwidth, TV-time and money on the people they are backing.

NOT TRUE.

LAMAR WASNT EVEN IN THE MVP DISCUSSION
LAST SEASON UNTIL THE SEASON
WAS DAMN NEAR OVER.

ONCE AGAIN LAMAR WAS
THE CLEAR CUT FAVORITE THIS SEASON
UNTIL THE RAVENS HIT THAT ROUGH PATCH
AND ALLEN WENT ON TO BEAT
KC/DET AND SCORE 6TDS IN A GAME.

NOW LAMAR HAS GAINED MOMENTUM
AND IS COMING FOR THE CROWN AGAIN.
:devil:
:evil:
 

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I don't know about that, I'm one that fully backed Allen until recently when I start reflecting across the whole season, also accounting for heads-up fights where Ravens completely smashed Bills by like 25-30 points. I think I got carried away by the media and a few very spectacular plays like 4th down vs Chiefs. Didn't see anyone talk about Lamar in the beginning as they were like 2-2, then 5-3. Smashing bills was the only memorable game :jbhmm:

As far as the Lions team goes, he was playing against like 8 practice squad members.


And as far as the Browns goes, the only thing anyone talked about that game was how wack his receivers were. "Sun in the eyes", teflon gloves, balls on helmets and on
Which means nothing as they're still out here finding ways to win and still leading the NFC even in spite of those injuries.

Both Jackson and Henry had chances to jump back into the MVP race in a marquee game against the Eagles but came up short.

Cats want to poke fun at who the Bills have played, while overlooking that the Ravens lost to 3 win teams twice, yet wanted to poke fun at the Bills for struggling against the Patriots :mjlol:

That's how you know people are playing favorites out here.
 

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NOT TRUE.

LAMAR WASNT EVEN IN THE MVP DISCUSSION
LAST SEASON UNTIL THE SEASON
WAS DAMN NEAR OVER.

ONCE AGAIN LAMAR WAS
THE CLEAR CUT FAVORITE THIS SEASON
UNTIL THE RAVENS HIT THAT ROUGH PATCH
AND ALLEN WENT ON TO BEAT
KC/DET AND SCORE 6TDS IN A GAME.

NOW LAMAR HAS GAINED MOMENTUM
AND IS COMING FOR THE CROWN AGAIN.
:devil:
:evil:

I'll agree on last season, but I'd call that an anamoly cause it was too many people on the same not-so-good level. Lamar, Dak, Purdy, Mahomes, Allen, hell even Tua and Hurts were involved if I recall correctly
 

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Stop using this dumbass logic.

Jokic wasn't competing with those players to win MVP.

Look at how stupid y'all looked when he went on to win a title that season.

:unimpressed:

Yeah it's crazy when people make those comparisons.

It's like when people say "so and so won an Oscar for this in 1999 but his best work was in 1994, so he should have won the Oscar then"

Well, what if the next man in 1994 was better and in 1999 there were weak performances?
 
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