Lamar is a ring away from being dead even with Mahomes...

[Cladyclad]

If Pat keep having seasons on par with Daniel Jones. shyt gonna get spooky

 

[Jermio]

Lamar ain't done a goddamn thing in the post-season. He ain't even Burrow status to me.

 

[fifth column]

I get what you're saying, but there's a difference...

KD never dominated to the scale LeBron did. Before he won his rings, MVP count was 4-1 LeBron. The gap was larger between Bron and Durant, than Mahomes to Lamar...

Ironically, even coming into this season, I'm on record saying it's Pat, then everyone else. But dog what Lamar is doing this year, is poised to make him a 3x MVP, and look, he was up a level last year...

He's 2-3x as good as he was just a year ago. When people are scoffing at this, point out his weakness right now. He's not shown any, he's playing QB right now as high as we ever seen anyone play it...

I never saw Durant play and think, "man he's playing ball at as high a level as anyone has played it". Ever...

But I'm not disagreeing with this, dudes are overreacting. Mahomes is still in his own class...

Lamar has now put himself in a separate class from anyone else, whereas i think starting this season, he, Burrow, Allen were in the same tier together. Now its:

Mahomes

Lamar

Allen, Burrow

Lamar ever play like his MVP self for a playoff run, how do we ignore we saw him have two straight better regular seasons than Mahomes? He wins it, he's gonna be right next to Mahomes...

If he doesn't the gap will remain...

Bron does more things better than Mike did, and did it in a more competitive era. He's better than Mike, this ain't the same convo at all given Pat and Lamar are playing in the same era...

Choke more and flop more, guess you right.

 

[fifth column]

The street tales are objective facts of my life. The sports takes can be objective but in this case, this Lamar take is just a hypothesis, an educated guess!

I see the battery is in you nighas' back this month ...

So you know the web is free, and anything I tell you was a charge I was arrested for, investigated for, or convicted of, you can easily validate. Every single city and state, you can call various offices and check on anyone's history, criminal history is a matter of public record and I don't have anything expunged. There's no way those things could be false when you could easily see if they actually happened...

Now, there are plenty of things I was never charged or investigated for, so there won't be paper documentation and sure, you could say I make all that shyt up. What incentive would I have to do so, though?

So you another corny nikka who, because you weren't outside and aren't intimately involved with those types, someone like myself sharing that I was triggers you nikkas and just HAS to be a lie....because you didn't live it ...

If your take is, you couldn't give a fukk enough to go look me up yourself, you should probably just shut your square ass up, because then your opinion is more irrelevant than it already is. Sideline nikka talking from the sideline as usual...

All I ever do is give first person opinions on situations I'm familiar with, and that triggers you wack ass nikkas. The reality is when I was living it I wasn't talking about it, so it's easy to talk about shyt now that I'm removed from it...

I'm sorry this bothers you corny ass nikkas yall can call me alot of things but I ain't no liar, chump ass nikka!

I tell you this, if I was committing crimes I wouldn’t tell it to the internet and end up as a crash out dummy

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

And this is still considering, when Lamar wins his first, he'll still be at a 1-3 championship deficit vs Mahomes...

Let me start with this, I'm clearly not a Mahomes fan, but I'm not a hater. He's the best quarterback of his generation, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and he's proven this over and over again...

I made a thread a few years ago that there would be a challenger as the second best of this era, and I thought it would be Burrow. I think it's becoming increasingly clear that the #2 guy is Lamar, and Lamar is a title away from making it a coin flip with Mahomes...

Compare them in both their primes, Mahomes starting in '18 in his first full year starting, Lamar in '19 in his first full year starting. The huge contrasts are, clearly Mahomes with a 3-0 Super Bowl lead; Mahomes 15-3 in playoffs, 4-2 in the AFC Championship, vs Lamar just 2-4 playoffs, 0-1 in the AFC Championship...

Until Lamar wins a title he'll never equal Mahomes but regular season, he's matching Mahomes step for step:

MVPs, tied at 2

W-L record
Mahomes .788 (82-22); Lamar .747 (65-22)

Per 17 during prime
Mahomes (2018-present): 66.7% comp, 4965-38-12, 102.8 passer rating, 342 rush yards, 2 TD
Lamar (2019-present): 65.6% comp, 3688-30-9, 102.3 passer rating, 1084 rush yards, 6 TD

What the statistical comp doesn't capture, is how evolved Lamar is in the last two years as a passer. He's a legitimate elite thrower now, he's a problem...

You can't be this great and not win a championship, it WILL be held against him. But if he does, it's gonna be a real coin flip between which one you'd rather have!

No.

One ring is not closing the gap. He needs 2 before it becomes a conversation. This assumes Mahomes doesn't keep adding more.

If Lamar had wayyyy better stats, then yeah, but....

 

[Cladyclad]

No.

One ring is not closing the gap. He needs 2 before it becomes a conversation. This assumes Mahomes doesn't keep adding more.

If Lamar had wayyyy better stats, then yeah, but....

Getting a ring is closing the gap lol
It dont mean he passes him

B2B Mvps and SB= should mean u the best

 

[murksiderock]

No.

One ring is not closing the gap. He needs 2 before it becomes a conversation. This assumes Mahomes doesn't keep adding more.

If Lamar had wayyyy better stats, then yeah, but....

The playoff success is what matters, but I don't think you can do a statistical comp between the two. Lamar has won two MVPs with a style completely different from Mahomes, and he's proving to be just as deadly (in the regular season) as Mahomes ever was (in the regular season). Can't do a statistical comp...

 

[Stop_It_5]

Peyton was always considered to be on Tom level

Brady didn't begin to accumulate the gaudy regular season accolades until his 30s, that's why despite the 3 SBs Peyton always had a leg to stand on. That's also why Mobile Marino broke the game and left his counterparts so far behind, he's spent his 20s accomplishing both sides of the Manning/Brady argument


Thread title is a disservice to Lamar, a ring won't get him even with Mahomes but it'll cement a HOF career and create a strong case as a top 15 QB ever even if he never takes another snap afterwards.

 

[xXMASHERXx]

I will say this thread is very interesting though.

Brady didn't begin to accumulate the gaudy regular season accolades until his 30s, that's why despite the 3 SBs Peyton always had a leg to stand on. That's also why Mobile Marino broke the game and left his counterparts so far behind, he's spent his 20s accomplishing both sides of the Manning/Brady argument


Thread title is a disservice to Lamar, a ring won't get him even with Mahomes but it'll cement a HOF career and create a strong case as a top 15 QB ever even if he never takes another snap afterwards.

Imo a ring or another MVP does that. And once it happens, all those clowns who said he couldn't play QB in the NFL should never be allowed to talk football

 

[Cladyclad]

Brady didn't begin to accumulate the gaudy regular season accolades until his 30s, that's why despite the 3 SBs Peyton always had a leg to stand on. That's also why Mobile Marino broke the game and left his counterparts so far behind, he's spent his 20s accomplishing both sides of the Manning/Brady argument


Thread title is a disservice to Lamar, a ring won't get him even with Mahomes but it'll cement a HOF career and create a strong case as a top 15 QB ever even if he never takes another snap afterwards.

Brady lead the league his 2nd year as a starter in TDs

 

[calh45]

I said in one of these threads earlier this year that Lamar was Peyton to Pat being Brady and all of the remedials pretended like what I said was heresy.

That said, this thread is dumb. Pat's current path is chasing Brady aka GOAT. I've before that Lamar will win at least one, and it might be this year or next year, and I think Josh is talented enough to win one too based on pure talent, but Pat is Pat. In the end, Lamar will have more regular season MVPs than Pat, but Pat will have more Super Bowl wins.

Ain't none of these cats we talking about are even 30 years old yet. That's why NFL will be king for the next decade. It's gonna be Pat vs Lamar or Josh and occasionally Burrow or Herbert or Stroud or Goff or Hurts if their team is stacked enough.

 

[cartierhoe]

OP I usually fukk with your analysis and opinions when you break them down even if I don't agree with them all the time, but you absolutely CANNOT claim you are being objective when it comes to 15 when you've called him "Overrated Cracker Mahomes" for years.

 

[qwasi]

I've renamed OP as markisadork as he's a master of 150+ word yappathons that're either autism or truism. Its tiresome to read long winded diatribes that pretend to be insightful but offer little. He and booksnrain are the reason I support max post word count.

 

[ryderldb]

The fact that lamar doesn't have a clout chasing wife and a homo brother that does gay ass tik tok dances already puts him ahead of mahomes in my mind.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The fact that lamar doesn't have a clout chasing wife and a homo brother that does gay ass tik tok dances already puts him ahead of mahomes in my mind.

I'd argue that makes Mahomes' feats that more impressive that he has to deal with that, and has the mental fortitude to compartmentalize that and still be great on the field.