LA Times: Only 28% of STEM graduates work STEM jobs

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Theres other degrees like biology, biotechnology, chemistry which are less valuable with only a BS.
This. The whole bio/chem track is kinda useless unless they are going phd, pharm, md, or allied health. With only a bachelors , they can barely get lab rat roles helping out in labs, cause nobody would trust them with actual research like their degree would entail.




the only out ive seen for them is when they tie that degree with a math role., for example bioinformatics. I wouldnt be suprised if a lot of those working nonstem roles are the chem/bio track while waiting for the graduate studies to finish.

Also, even within engineering you have new fields like biomedical engineering where the job hunt is tough cause they are jack of all trades, when a medical supplier or pharmaceuticals would much prefer a mechanical or electrical specialist. Ive heard horrir stories from their bioeng track, which is really sad cause their coursework is disgustingly difficult. Industrial engineers are also in one of those niche fields like biomedical where the job market isnt as friendly.
 

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Every time we've had discussions about the job market sucking, STEM clowns would chime in and say "Not a problem for stem gang." You guys held up progress because you wanted to feel special, like you did something great, so you get job security that everyone else doesn't get. There's always idiots holding up progress, just because things are going well for them. Well fukk off.
 

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Every time we've had discussions about the job market sucking, STEM clowns would chime in and say "Not a problem for stem gang." You guys held up progress because you wanted to feel special, like you did something great, so you get job security that everyone else doesn't get. There's always idiots holding up progress, just because things are going well for them. Well fukk off.
Unfortunately, true
 

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Every time we've had discussions about the job market sucking, STEM clowns would chime in and say "Not a problem for stem gang." You guys held up progress because you wanted to feel special, like you did something great, so you get job security that everyone else doesn't get. There's always idiots holding up progress, just because things are going well for them. Well fukk off.

If you really wanna get pissed off, a lot of these STEM gurus are directly responsible for lowering and suppressing the wages of all other professions, so more students would be forced to study STEM. Yeah, as in sabotaged a lot of would-be worker unions in basic 9-5 jobs so wages across the board won't increase, working alongside with corrupt CEOs and politicians to ensure that they have an abundance of STEM workers happy to be anything above poverty wages. Diabolical, depressing, and certainly crabs in a barrel way of harming the standard of living in the United States.
 
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True, but that goes both ways. STEM & Engineering people just seem so insufferable online. They expect to make $120K fresh off the graduation stage
men were able to walk out of HIGHSCHOOl, get a job as the sole breadwinner be married with 2 kids own a house and a car just 50 years ago! now when you spend 40k on a degree and want to afford rent you are called GREEDY!:martin:
 

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men were able to walk out of HIGHSCHOOl, get a job as the sole breadwinner be married with 2 kids own a house and a car just 50 years ago! now when you spend 40k on a degree and want to afford rent you are called GREEDY!:martin:

Loans aren’t then only way to pay for college

Maybe they should have looked for grants & scholarships? I guarantee a lot of them turned down full rides at lesser known schools to pay out of pocket at Cal, TAMU, UCLA etc
 

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Last post, but I'll leave this here.

Do a search for engineering programs (many of the main ones Civil, Mechanical, Electrical) that meet the ABET standard:

[Go to Search Programs > Search By category]

However, for countries do not select United States. Select all other countries.

Notice two things:
1. The number of schools that are now ABET-accredited from around the world.
2. Accredited Date: Some of these schools officially got accredited in the late 2000's. However, many in the 2010's.

That means from last ~decade these schools' programs from around the world have been deemed by a third party (the same one the U.S has been using for nearly a century) as having met the gold standard that our university engineering programs stateside must meet.

So now you got~ 200 of colleges from around the world pumping out engineers that are meeting many companies' ABET criteria.
Major increase in competition from the last decade - I'd guess this is one thing driving wages down stateside via supply and demand.

Additionally, look at the ones who got accreditation in 2018-2020's. Those will be pushing other legit, qualified grads very soon right into the market.

Then add in the fact many of the students at these schools get their education for free.
So yeah, that engineering degree we got from the State school we paid $50k for - now on the same level as someone who went to school in another country for free. Growing as well as more countries are putting in their request to accreditation.

Funny thing here is companies who tell you remote work is "inefficient" but will hire and collaborate with people working overseas now :mjlol: :heh:
 
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The only problem with certs is what can you realistically do part time, I feel like all certs will be to time consuming to try and do that and another full time gig

I knocked out four CompTIA certs in less than 12 months working 47.5 hours a week. You just have to use the time you would for BS to study.
 
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what about a business degree?
as a business degree holder, we prob got one of the most generic degrees out there. I got mine in marketing, but it's been pretty useless, since I got it just as social media was taking off, and I learned all the modern/relevant marketing on my own/on the job.
 

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Interesting, this is a counter to the “just get a stem degree” crowd.

You need to build experience while getting your degree, internships, freelancing work, something to build a portfolio.

Graduating with a raw degree w/ no XP gets you back on your Momma's crib after graduation...

And if it doesn't happen within 1 to 2 years, then it ain't gonna happen...
 

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I knocked out four CompTIA certs in less than 12 months working 47.5 hours a week. You just have to use the time you would for BS to study.
I meant after you have the cert, what jobs are out there that’s part time
 

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chemistry majors have been screaming for years that it was a bad degree

You have to grind for it though. I had good friends that refused to work in a chemical lab post-grab running analysis for a pharma company, he felt it was beneath them(I didn't do 4 years of chem to wear goggles, boots in a lab).

While my other friend took the same job, stuck it out for almost 2 years then hit 6 figs remote with an oil company...

Every time we've had discussions about the job market sucking, STEM clowns would chime in and say "Not a problem for stem gang." You guys held up progress because you wanted to feel special, like you did something great, so you get job security that everyone else doesn't get. There's always idiots holding up progress, just because things are going well for them. Well fukk off.

I ain't a CEO or anything like that but 6 fig stem gang gang. I read the field, did the work, paid my dues and now reaping the benefits.

The same can be said with any and all fields, just because you passed an exam doesn't mean you can argue in front of the Supreme Court, do brain surgery, or re-wire a breaker box...

Newest batch of grads are an anti-social and unorganized mess....

Maybe they should hop off the Xbox or PS5 and start sending out resumes.

Their job should be finding a job. Sending out 1 or 2 resumes a week ain't gonna be it. They should be willing to move/relocate if that what it takes to laydown the seeds of your future.

If they don't, it's gonna be impossible to get into the field if there is significant gaps in your work history not relevant to your degree.
 
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