La Spoelstra Nostra - The Offical 2019-20 Miami Heat Season Thread - *Dons Only*
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When I say this about Bustise in here I get so much hate.The kid is a good likeable kid but he was nothing special on the court. I always say a player's 3rd years in the league is (on average) his "put up our shut up" year. It's supposed to be the year he at least shows you who he is as a player. But cats were in here giving him discounts talking about "b..bu...bu... it's really his 2nd because he was hurt blah blah blah". I get he's young and had such a high ceiling and high bball IQ it makes you wanna hold onto to hope. But so many things on a 15 man team have to be adjusted just to make one player successful... Like face it:
See we kept on making excuses because we wanted to believe. I learned a long time ago not to do that to myself in terms of young players we draft. At some point you have to face the reality and either accept that that's who he is and wont be nothing more or understand that he needs a change of environment to reach his potential and that means letting him go. Trust me i know the feeling. I held onto hope that Harold Miner would workout for years. I was mad when Riley came in and traded Harold Miner right off the bat.
- He was never the best point guard on the team. (Dragiç is)
- He was never the best off-guard on the team (both K-Nun and Dion are better)
- He was never the best Small forward on the team (Jimmy and i can even make a case that James Johnson is still better)
all the advanced stats showed that we were much better on the floor when he was playing than when he was off it. he was our marcus smart and the celtics are doing just fine with smart. Ultimately it wasn't his play that made him a bust it was his availability
Green Ranger
I Am Legend
Idk why dudes are trashing Winslow he had his struggles but it wasn’t all his fault with Spo not putting him in the best positions to be successful. Remember him being a small ball pf him and JJ sharing minutes or him standing in the corner like he was a catch and shoot 3 point shooter,
It took Spo forever and a day to
Winslow works best as a play maker and having the ball in his hands
Plus this he can’t shoot shyt needs to stop in
In 2017 he shot 37% from 3 and just last season 38% from 3
He was definitely turning the corner playing more aggressive and you could see his confidence grown so dudes need to stop with the bullshyt
It took Spo forever and a day to
Winslow works best as a play maker and having the ball in his handsPlus this he can’t shoot shyt needs to stop in
In 2017 he shot 37% from 3 and just last season 38% from 3
He was definitely turning the corner playing more aggressive and you could see his confidence grown so dudes need to stop with the bullshyt
Your best ability is your availability. Again, I like the kid. But I refuse to give them a discount because I didn't give Josh Richardson a discount. You can make the argument for the advanced stats but we are 34 and 16 right now and he's only played in 11 games. Don't disrespect the other players accomplishments for the sake of one players impact when said player has only played 20% of the games games. I get thst he was our Draymond Green in a way. But I think Iggy gives us the same defense, can finish better at the rim, capable shooter. Iggy just doesn't have his playmaking ability. And wet have him for one year and can dump him.
On the personal level, while I liked Winslow I'm so happyhe's gone because I was tired of his stans. For a player who was still a question mark in a way, he sure had a lot of stans who demanded he gets playing time. I'm sure with the young cast around him in Memphis where he can grow and get all the playing time he wants he'll likely blossom into what is supposed to be. But it was not meant to be here. Again, this is year 5 and we're still talking about potential. As much as I love Bam Adebayo if you'll recall at the beginning of this year I said (either in this thread or the offseason thread) and I quote "okay this is year 3 for Bam. Time to put up and show us what we got or shut up"
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disrespecting players... by stating a mathematical fact. I'm not saying it's a bad trade, I'm just stating the facts that we play better with him on the court. It doesn't mean the other players are not also playing well. Clearly they are because we are 34-16. Better does not mean one side is good and the other side is bad, it can also mean good and 'more good'.I was on board with trading him in December, but i'm not going to rewrite history and pretend the guy wasn't a net positive. (still wish we had drafted booker tho... lol)
The roaches got their wish, “bustise” is gone. Just better hope that iggy propels this team.Idk why dudes are trashing Winslow he had his struggles but it wasn’t all his fault with Spo not putting him in the best positions to be successful. Remember him being a small ball pf him and JJ sharing minutes or him standing in the corner like he was a catch and shoot 3 point shooter,
It took Spo forever and a day to
Plus this he can’t shoot shyt needs to stop in
In 2017 he shot 37% from 3 and just last season 38% from 3
He was definitely turning the corner playing more aggressive and you could see his confidence grown so dudes need to stop with the bullshyt
I'm just saying.
I was on board with trading him in December, but i'm not going to rewrite history and pretend the guy wasn't a net positive. (still wish we had drafted booker tho... lol)
As far as players we could have had like Booker and Westbrook go, I'm not too mad at that. You can't get them all right. Not many saw Booker becoming a star. As for Westbrook, Remember he struggled at finishing at the basket his first couple years just like Winslow. But I believe it was after his first year or second year that he went and worked on his game in terms of finishing at the rim and overall shooting because that was his main struggle his first year. Winslow still struggles with that and I don't believe that he is lazy and not working on his game. He just can't do it. He has the speed to blow by his defenders at will but just cant make a layup for the most part. I've come to accept that
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everyone is for sale with #thadon in charge. This is why I only get udonis jerseys 
Green Ranger
I Am Legend
That nickname was so disrespectful
We better hope but dude is 35 and looked pretty washed last season I don’t care how much training he been doing he won’t be in nba ready shape like that so how long will it take him to get his shyt together
I just don’t like giving up young guys for dudes he aren’t even in there prime and are more toward retirement
But to get rid of Dion or JJ we had to sacrifice Winslow
FreddyCalhoun
All Star
Iggy about to be trash. He was a product of that system and he is old. Pat got hustled again.
Biscayne
Ocean air
We ain't touching the finals this year. Gallo and 36yr old Iggy aren't "win now" moves. This is all about cap space and attracting Giannis or some other whales. Next year will be finals or bust, depening on how we do this off season.
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Biscayne
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Agreed. His upside was tremendous, and he did alot of things that didn't show up in the stat sheet. Quintessential heat guy. Don't know why folks feel this was a wash. I mean, only for cap space reasons, I guess it's good. But all we did was get rid of a younger iggy with an upside, for current Iggy. Winslow is still only 23. Don't care if it's year 3. He was a playmaker, a solid defender, strong as an ox, and had high bbiq.He’s one of the few that showed any cojones in the Philly series. The thing with Winslow is he was polarizing to fans for no reason, pretty much all he did was show up and work hard. The guys that didnt like him for whatever reason were never going to no matter what he did. Same cats talking about he turned a corner months ago now saying they havent believed in him in years
Winslow and dragic together coming off the bench wasn’t going to work. They just don’t play well together.
Nunn pretty much pushed Winslow off the roster with his play. I’ve always preferred Winslow over Nunn as the starting pg because of his ceiling but even I had to eventually take the L there when Winslow struggled to come back from the injury.
The iggy trade was needed. You gotta have guys who can defend with a high bballl IQ in the playoffs. If DJJ continues to improve, and the gallonari trade goes through, we’ll have a solid death line up against teams like the Celtics who are perimeter oriented.
Nunn pretty much pushed Winslow off the roster with his play. I’ve always preferred Winslow over Nunn as the starting pg because of his ceiling but even I had to eventually take the L there when Winslow struggled to come back from the injury.
The iggy trade was needed. You gotta have guys who can defend with a high bballl IQ in the playoffs. If DJJ continues to improve, and the gallonari trade goes through, we’ll have a solid death line up against teams like the Celtics who are perimeter oriented.
