Kryptonian Vs Saiyan - What would you rather be?

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i keep torching yall arguments for supe, Vegeta destroyed a planet easily on his way to Earth with Nappa.

Vegeta was going to destroy Earth, but Goku blocked it pushed his blast into space.


Dude... I get all that... you are missing MY points tho...


1. Goku has NEVER destroyed a planet himself. Not saying he can't or is incapable of it, but he has NEVER done it before. So please stop acting like that is something he would do because he has never shown that.


2. My point behind all of this is that I believe Superman hits harder than Goku. I have seen Superman destroy a planet with nothing but his physical strength, I have NEVER seen that from Goku. Until I see that, or something equivilent to it, I have no reason to believe Goku can hit as hard as Superman.


Do you agree?
 

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Dude is indestructible, could Goku get shot without defending and survive? Nope, he's destructible. Supes seems weak sometimes cuz he's always worried about using a little too much strength n fukkin up innocent lives, dude could flick Goku away with his finger n kill him on accident. He's pretty much as fast as the Flash, he could probably get to Goku without him even seeing it. And if he just grabs Goku once he would explode his face into oblivion with one punch no kamahamha or charging up.

Also this^

Superman can do more than kamehameha power without charging up.... Instantly.

All he's gotta do is catch him ONCE n he's nearly as fast as the flash. Come on now :comeon:
 
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Dude... I get all that... you are missing MY points tho...


1. Goku has NEVER destroyed a planet himself. Not saying he can't or is incapable of it, but he has NEVER done it before. So please stop acting like that is something he would do because he has never shown that.


2. My point behind all of this is that I believe Superman hits harder than Goku. I have seen Superman destroy a planet with nothing but his physical strength, I have NEVER seen that from Goku. Until I see that, or something equivilent to it, I have no reason to believe Goku can hit as hard as Superman.


Do you agree?

No. Goku's never destroyed a planet because he's GOOD GUY, he won't do that.

Superman fought Doomsday to death in Metropolis and the city was still standing with people alive.

If Goku fought anybody in the city would have to be abandoned.

Also Goku can raise his power level, and also concentrate his energy into even more powerful strikes, and if wanted to he can blow himself up and take everyone with him.
 

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Do you agree with that?

No.

Only thing I agree with is, based on observation, Superman, in most incarnations, is more durable than Goku as he has a specific weakness.

There's no way I can say who hits harder.
 

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No. Goku's never destroyed a planet because he's GOOD GUY, he won't do that.


Are you saying Superman is NOT a good guy? I don't understand the point of this comment....



Superman fought Doomsday to death in Metropolis and the city was still standing with people alive.

Yes, but what does this have to do with Goku not destroying a planet before and not showing Superman levels of punching power?


And let me ask this again.... do you feel Goku can punch as hard as Superman? If so, why?


If Goku fought anybody in the city would have to be abandoned.

Also Goku can raise his power level, and also concentrate his energy into even more powerful strikes, and if wanted to he can blow himself up and take everyone with him.


All of that takes time, energy and focus. All things that he most likely won't have when in combat with an opponent who is as fast as him and stronger than him.
 

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Dude... I get all that... you are missing MY points tho...


1. Goku has NEVER destroyed a planet himself. Not saying he can't or is incapable of it, but he has NEVER done it before. So please stop acting like that is something he would do because he has never shown that.

:usure:

Goku intentionally blew up King Kai's planet to defeat Cell. Granted he didn't actually cause the explosion, but he's willing to do what it takes to beat the bad guy, if that's the point you were making. :manny:
 

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No.

Only thing I agree with is, based on observation, Superman, in most incarnations, is more durable than Goku as he has a specific weakness.


Well I agree with this statement. Without me even breaking out the feats, I think Superman's track record of durability is argubly one of the best I've seen for a name character in fiction.



There's no way I can say who hits harder.


Fair enough.

Are you willing to make a judgement based on any of their compable stats?
 

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Lol the only reason the cities aren't completely destroyed is cuz supes is doing everything he can to stop destruction and deaths of innocents. That's why he looks weak sometimes cuz he has to do more than just fight
 

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:usure:

Goku intentionally blew up King Kai's planet to defeat Cell. Granted he didn't actually cause the explosion, but he's willing to do what it takes to beat the bad guy, if that's the point you were making. :manny:



That wasn't the point I was making.

Goku is almost always willing to do what it takes to beat the bad guy, including kill which Superman is much more hesitant to do. My point was Goku is not going to willingly blow up a planet if he has no reason, because of this I believe Goku holds back nearly as much as Superman because he is more powerful than many opponents we have seen blow up planets, yet he has never duplicated that feat.
 
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Lol the only reason the cities aren't completely destroyed is cuz supes is doing everything he can to stop destruction and deaths of innocents. That's why he looks weak sometimes cuz he has to do more than just fight

man bs if superman is as fast and as strong as you say, it should be no problem.

That's the problem with superman, he too inconsistent.

Superman can run fast, but he don't fight fast. He gets tagged by all the strong villains getting dazed, and there not suppose to be anywhere strong as him. Put Usain Bolt in the boxing ring, I bet you he won't be the worlds fastest man then. Superman has never displayed lighting fast fighting ability, not even in cartoons.

In that on panel dude posted, Superman was fatigued from using heat vision which look like something Cyclops could do with his optic blasts.
You think that shyt fukking with the Kamehamaha wave, shyt the spawned the Hadoken and all other project base attacks, NOPE.

Goku was fighting at light speed on the first episode dawg. You really think superman seeing this nikka when he step off that ship on Namek.

Doomsday beat superman to death, so Goku can do it. Superman ain't got the hands to land on Goku. Goku can teleport, he do something new everytime nikka is like mayweather of this superhero shyt.
 

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man bs if superman is as fast and as strong as you say, it should be no problem.

Its comics and storytelling, man. The Protagonist HAS to have some sort of plight to overcome, even if it don't make sense. :manny:


That's the problem with superman, he too inconsistent.

I agree. Its a big reason why he gets a lot of dislike.


Superman can run fast, but he don't fight fast. He gets tagged by all the strong villains getting dazed, and there not suppose to be anywhere strong as him. Put Usain Bolt in the boxing ring, I bet you he won't be the worlds fastest man then. Superman has never displayed lighting fast fighting ability, not even in cartoons.

Ahem....

Uses a speed-blitz to neutralise YB2 and R3B2, two alien energy beings. Adventures Of #469
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/adventuresof469a.jpg

Superman gets creatively nasty with his super-speed to completely destroy Cyborg Superman’s physical body. Superman v2 #82
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/superman082a.jpg

Superman times his throw “to the millisecond” to intercept a bolt of lightning with a metal rod. Superman Annual #10
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/SupermanAnnual10a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/SupermanAnnual10b.jpg

Disarms a room full of thugs and disarms Encantadora before her synapses can fire. Action Comics #760
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/ActionComics760a.jpg

Vibrates to hypersonic speed to catch an out of control Captain Marvel Jnr. Action Comics #768
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/ActionComics768a.jpg




In that on panel dude posted, Superman was fatigued from using heat vision which look like something Cyclops could do with his optic blasts.
You think that shyt fukking with the Kamehamaha wave, shyt the spawned the Hadoken and all other project base attacks, NOPE.

Why not?


Goku was fighting at light speed on the first episode dawg. You really think superman seeing this nikka when he step off that ship on Namek.

You mean the fight with Raditz that he lost? And he had to get Piccolo's help and still died?!? :deadmanny:


Doomsday beat superman to death, so Goku can do it. Superman ain't got the hands to land on Goku. Goku can teleport, he do something new everytime nikka is like mayweather of this superhero shyt.

Speed-blitzes Doomsday. Superman v2 #175
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/superman175q.jpg




Look... I'm not saying Superman WOULD win or that Goku CAN'T win... but just based on feats and what they have accomplished... Goku unfortunately doesn't have the resume to stand with Superman. How could Goku even kill him?
 
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Its comics and storytelling, man. The Protagonist HAS to have some sort of plight to overcome, even if it don't make sense. :manny:




I agree. Its a big reason why he gets a lot of dislike.




Ahem....

Uses a speed-blitz to neutralise YB2 and R3B2, two alien energy beings. Adventures Of #469
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/adventuresof469a.jpg

Superman gets creatively nasty with his super-speed to completely destroy Cyborg Superman’s physical body. Superman v2 #82
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/superman082a.jpg

Superman times his throw “to the millisecond” to intercept a bolt of lightning with a metal rod. Superman Annual #10
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/SupermanAnnual10a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/SupermanAnnual10b.jpg

Disarms a room full of thugs and disarms Encantadora before her synapses can fire. Action Comics #760
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/ActionComics760a.jpg

Vibrates to hypersonic speed to catch an out of control Captain Marvel Jnr. Action Comics #768
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/ActionComics768a.jpg






Why not?




You mean the fight with Raditz that he lost? And he had to get Piccolo's help and still died?!? :deadmanny:




Speed-blitzes Doomsday. Superman v2 #175
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/superman175q.jpg




Look... I'm not saying Superman WOULD win or that Goku CAN'T win... but just based on feats and what they have accomplished... Goku unfortunately doesn't have the resume to stand with Superman. How could Goku even kill him?

Who has Superman beaten in impressive fashion? Name me some names?
Doomsday battle pales in comparsion to any of Goku's finishes.

In the Dark Knight Returns, Batman stuns Superman with electricity dawg
He also drops Superman with a PUNCH, and thats before green arrow hits him with the kyrponite arrow.


Goku always fought against impossible foes, they will merk superman. Every person goku ever fought had all superman's abilities plus they knew how to fight.

It's a fact Batman is better with the hands than Superman, if he had a super strength he'd beat the shyt out of superman easily.

Goku is an elite martial artist with cosmic strength, superman don't stand a chance.

Also Goku can instant transmission Superman to King Kai's planet, where he won't have the benefits of the yellow sun, and kick his ass for all eternity,
 
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