KG vs. Team USA in '00 :damn:

[FTBS]

San Antonio teams were better than Minnesota, they were more well coached and they were better defensive teams. KG was the only good defender on his team, outside of '04, the Wolves never ranked in the top 10 defensively, if you replaced KG with a league average PF they would probably be a bottom defense.

In those Celtics years, Tim Duncan didn't win shyt either.

Also, Tim Duncan WASN'T a PF in those Celtics years

KG got a chip, and if he didn't get injured in '09 they could have potentially repeated as that team was on a 70 win pace, then LeBron went to Miami and shut the East down and after '12 it was a wrap for Boston.

I didn't say anything about coaching because there is no denying Duncan had the advantage there. We were clearly talking talent and there is plenty of evidence that Duncan's advantage there is nowhere near what folks try to make it seem. In those Celtic years Duncan wasn't playing Pierce, Allen, and Rondo . Duncan was the main reason the Spurs were so good defensively year in and year out, as he was the anchor for years.

 

[Malta]

Breh, he is not a pure PF...

I'm looking at position estimates from these playoff runs y'all talking about
-'02 TD played 81% of his minutes at the 5 in the playoffs with D-Rob missing games
-'03 TD played 50% of his minutes at the 5 in the playoffs

It's got to be considered, you the G.O.A.T. PF but you played more seasons at C? You the G.O.A.T. PF but even when you was playing PF you was logging heavy minutes at C...

What if KG played the 5?

He's the GOAT PF because all of his biggest career accomplishments happened playing that position, he was his absolute best playing PF. How you gonna go to that site and use the estimates as gospel then just disregard what he's listed at for his best seasons

So, if Kristaps wins 3 titles in the next 5 yrs, then transitions to C for the second half of his career we not calling him one of the best PFs ever?

If Giannis wins 3 titles in the next 5 yrs, then transitions to PF for the second half of his career we not calling him one of the best SFs ever?




Is Pau a C or PF? Or is Bynum a PF?

 

[ISO]

Tim was automatic from 15-20 feet.

He did for a playoff run, a championship playoff run where he lead his team in that category as well as every other one.

Nope. Has KG anchored one of the best defenses in the L for almost 2 decades straight?

He was not "automatic" from 15-20 feet, and he wasn't better from mid than KG, his midrange game wasn't nearly as versatile as KG's and his jumper wasn't as smooth.

'03 MVP TD: 173 of 410 (42%) from 10-16 feet
'04 MVP KG: 225 of of 476 (47%) from 10-16 feet

'03 MVP TD: 71 of 172 (41%) from 16 feet to the three point line
'04 MVP KG: 266 of 614 (43%) from 16 feet to the three point line

KG did not have strong defenders around him or the coaching scheme to anchor elite defenses. As soon as he got to Boston he anchored some of the greatest defenses of All-Time.

TD always had strong defenders around him. Kawhi Leonard, D-Rob, S-Jax, Bruce Bowen, Danny Green, Robert Horry, Manu Ginobili, etc.

 

[Lakerman0834]

Kg was a beast but people shouldn't be comparing him to Duncan.Dirk>kg.

 

[Shorty K]

He's the GOAT PF because all of his biggest career accomplishments happened playing that position, he was his absolute best playing PF. How you gonna go to that site and use the estimates as gospel then just disregard what he's listed at for his best seasons

So, if Kristaps wins 3 titles in the next 5 yrs, then transitions to C for the second half of his career we not calling him one of the best PFs ever?

If Giannis wins 3 titles in the next 5 yrs, then transitions to PF for the second half of his career we not calling him one of the best SFs ever?




Is Pau a C or PF? Or is Bynum a PF?

His listed position was Power Forward but how often did he really play the Power Forward role in basketball games? How many times have you really seen Tim Duncan take the floor and he wasn't playing the role of the Center on the basketball floor. nikkas are really not tryna give Duncan low key credit for showing how to be a dominant NBA Center in the modern era huh???

When y'all watch the Spurs play basketball and y'all watch Tim Duncan play basketball, you really look at Tim Duncan playing basketball and think that's not a Center that's a Power Forward???

 

[Shorty K]

KG = Power Forward
Dirk = Power Forward
Barkley = Power Forward
Malone = Power Forward
Duncan = Center


Why don't y'all just want to be 100 and call it how you really see it??? Y'all really telling me Tim Duncan plays like a forward???

 

[Supreme365]

TD played 40% of his minutes at the 5 in his '02 MVP season
TD played 44% of his minutes at the 5 in his '03 MVP season

KG played 95% of his minutes at the 4 in his '04 MVP season

I used to look past all of TD's time at the 5, but it is something that has to be considered.

All you did was basically say that duncan was a 4 in 02 and 03

 

[ManBearPig]

My personal G.O.A.T/Favorite Player

1 ankle injury ('09) and 4th quarter ('10) away from having 3 rings.

I thought he injured his knee in 09

He was the reason why they lost in game 7 with his 3 or whatever rebounds

 

[ManBearPig]

TD
Dirk
Barkley
Marlone

All better PFs than KG

KG surpassed Barkley after winning that chip.

 

[Swagnificent]

Y'all don't give Bron the benefit of the doubt for playing with scrubs for most of his career tho

LeBron is simply not as good as Kobe. Its really that simple.

Edited.

 

[ManBearPig]

KG = GOAT PF
Duncan = product of a system

The Celtics were 9-2 without KG in the year they won it


All the spurs championships had Duncan on the roster but it was just "the system" that made them successful

 

[FTBS]

He was not "automatic" from 15-20 feet, and he wasn't better from mid than KG, his midrange game wasn't nearly as versatile as KG's and his jumper wasn't as smooth.

'03 MVP TD: 173 of 410 (42%) from 10-16 feet
'04 MVP KG: 225 of of 476 (47%) from 10-16 feet

'03 MVP TD: 71 of 172 (41%) from 16 feet to the three point line
'04 MVP KG: 266 of 614 (43%) from 16 feet to the three point line

KG did not have strong defenders around him or the coaching scheme to anchor elite defenses. As soon as he got to Boston he anchored some of the greatest defenses of All-Time.

TD always had strong defenders around him. Kawhi Leonard, D-Rob, S-Jax, Bruce Bowen, Danny Green, Robert Horry, Manu Ginobili, etc.

Ah yes, the good old let's take hyperbolic words literally in order to try to cling to some semblance of a point . How exactly do the numbers you posted (from 1 season for each guy out of two 20 year careers) demonstrate that KG had superior range?

with the excuses. Great defensive anchors make shyt easier for the people around them, not the other way around. Hibbert had the Pacers in the top 10 in defense a couple years ago with George out for the year and Stephenson in Charlotte. Duncan has chips and top defenses without each of those individuals. Can all of them say the same?

 

[ndthentherewasx]

Tim Duncan stopped playing PF when David Robinson retired, let's be real.

KG = GOAT PF.

KG was too passive on offense; or just not that good enough of a scorer


He wasnt that guy in the 4th


No GOAt

 

[MJ Truth]

He wasn't the primary defender but he did defend him at times bc Boston used to switch in the post as part of their defensive scheme

KG in 09 & 10 couldn't check Bynum & neither could Perk

Perk wouldn't have made a diff in game 7 either

But I still rank KG as arguably the best pf of all time

Perkins could've made a difference in Game 7 just based off of having another rotation player alone. The Celtics had that game in the bag but just ran out of gas and the Lakers kept plugging away.

 

[staticshock]

LeBron is simply not as good as love. Its really that simple.

Kevin Love!?

Bruh you a A1 troll I salute you