KG vs. Team USA in '00 :damn:
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KG was one of the worst fourth quarter players in the league when he was in Minnesota. This guy would have 25 and 10 throughout 3 quarters and in the last quarter he'd shy away from shooting. He didn't do shyt in Minny until Cassel came along because he was one of the most clutch players in the NBA.
That's not necessarily a knock on KG, but Tim Duncan would take the game to you no matter the quarter or the scoreline. If Duncan isn't the best PF of all time I don't know who is.
That's not necessarily a knock on KG, but Tim Duncan would take the game to you no matter the quarter or the scoreline. If Duncan isn't the best PF of all time I don't know who is.
tremonthustler1
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Duncan's not taking KG's teams much farther than KG did, maybe even worse because Duncan didn't have to do everything for his teams. The Spurs are a machine. Duncan got flabby sick and retired and they haven't missed a beat. KG's old squad didn't make the playoffs before him, hasn't made it since and might not ever make it back. We'll never see how Tim Duncan would look in a shytty situation because besides Athens he was never in one.
Duncan wouldnt gotten those teams with Steph out of the first rd..he probably wouldve beat Dallas with Chauncey and Wally...of course I agree, that TD had a betted situation, but he was also the better player..immediately..where are KGs great.clutch shots? What are his signature moments? Duncan has them in abundance..Stop underminings Duncans greatness..When he got hurt in 2000, the year after they won the title, what did they do?? They lost in the 1sr round...from 97 to 2007, they won 4 titles as the centerpiece...from 08 to 16, they won 1 title with Duncan as more of a complementary piece.. As far as the moribound status of the Wolves, tney were extremely inept..losing pick after pick over anyone, let alone Joe Smith is inexcusable. Doesnt make him better than TD, tho...After Boomer Esiason left the Bengals, they didnt..make the playoffs for 15 years, while the Niners stayed contenders and won another Superbowl..Doesnt make Esiason as good as Montana..the Celtics fell off horrifically when Bird retired, while the Bulls had a winning record of 79-58 without him.. doesnt make.Bird greater than MJ..
tremonthustler1
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Are we forgetting that KG was the 7th seed that year vs. Dirk and Dallas? How has that turned into a series that KG was supposed to win?
Would Boomer have done as well on those Niner teams Montana had? Maybe, maybe not. Would Duncan have done the job KG did with his teams? fukk no.
Because he wasn't on the damn team fool
But if he was on the team, it wouldn't have happened.
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Did you not say TD was "automatic" from midrange? I can do that for any season dog, KG's midrange game is far beyond TD's, you really letting some bank shots fool you? Tim Duncan is not a better shooter than Kevin Garnett. KG made more threes on a higher percentage in his career, KG was a better FT shooter with a 10% disparity in career FT shooting, KG had the better midrange game and smoother mechanics on his shot and he had more range.
I'm looking at Duncan's '06 shooting chart and dude was garbage from midrange
'06 TD from 10-16 feet: 87 0f 231 (37.7%)
'06 TD from 16 ft. to 3PT line: 58 of 183 (31.7%)
He was not better than KG as a shooter and he was not automatic.
Also, TD played with a mixture of those individuals throughout his career. He always played with strong defenders around him with a strong defensive coach. KG was playing with defenders like Wally World and lil Troy Hudson, and his teams were more offensive minded. His defensive impact on those teams was huge, they would be bottom of the league without him. D-Rob is actually the one who led the Spurs in defensive box plus minus in '98, '99, '00, '01, and he was an elite defender up to his retirement. TD had better defensive coaching and better defensive players around him, when KG went to Boston he won DPoY and anchored some of the greatest defenses of All-Time. This can't be ignored.
This is what happens when people are desperate for a point. Where did I say Tim was a better shooter than KG? Quote that for me please. Thanks.
So in other words none of them (save Horry maybe) were apart of championship teams with top defenses without Tim. Thanks. I was already aware though. KG eventually became a great defender. Tim had that impact from jump all the way until he was flabby. This can't be ignored.
They have won 5 chips without him? Must have missed that
. By your standard, have KG's teams missed a beat without him? 
Nah. Just Duncan haters say that. Lol.
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I had mistaken you for @Supreme365 that said Tim Duncan was a better shooter than KG
But you did say Tim Duncan was automatic from 15-20 feet
Why does it matter if they played on top defenses before the Spurs
It was in Miami that Bruce Bowen reinvented himself as a defensive specialist and those Miami teams were elite defenses. Stephen Jackson was a tough hardnosed defender everywhere he went. Robert Horry was a strong defender everywhere he went, Kawhi Leonard is up there with the greatest wing defenders in league history, Danny Green is an elite shot blocking guard, a solid on-ball defender, and a great transition defender. KG did not play with these pieces throughout his career, and KG did not have that Spurs coaching staff and defensive scheme.
KG didn't have the privilege of playing next to D-Rob to start his career, do you think Minnesota's defense wouldn't be elite with KG and D-Rob.
KG didn't eventually become a great defender, KG since he stepped in the league was great on the defensive end, and he consistently made All-NBA Defensive Teams since 2000, he wasn't even a big man his first few years in the league he played the 3 next to Gugliotta.
I had mistaken you for @Supreme365 that said Tim Duncan was a better shooter than KG
But you did say Tim Duncan was automatic from 15-20 feet
Why does it matter if they played on top defenses before the Spurs
It was in Miami that Bruce Bowen reinvented himself as a defensive specialist and those Miami teams were elite defenses. Stephen Jackson was a tough hardnosed defender everywhere he went. Robert Horry was a strong defender everywhere he went, Kawhi Leonard is up there with the greatest wing defenders in league history, Danny Green is an elite shot blocking guard, a solid on-ball defender, and a great transition defender. KG did not play with these pieces throughout his career, and KG did not have that Spurs coaching staff and defensive scheme.
KG didn't have the privilege of playing next to D-Rob to start his career, do you think Minnesota's defense wouldn't be elite with KG and D-Rob.
KG didn't eventually become a great defender, KG since he stepped in the league was great on the defensive end, and he consistently made All-NBA Defensive Teams since 2000, he wasn't even a big man his first few years in the league he played the 3 next to Gugliotta.
You are crediting them with the Spurs being a championship defense year after year after year. Shouldn't there be evidence of this when they aren't playing with Tim? He's got evidence without each of them. Notice, I never said they weren't quality defenders that contributed. Just that the common thread and most important piece for damn near 20 years was Tim, while all of them came and went. A defensive anchor, especially in that era, was the most important part of your defense.
Duncan was 2nd team all defense as a rookie (same age as KG btw) AND as a 39 year old (once again same age as KG). You are calling a guy the GOAT PF and belaboring Duncan as a C (like there is a huge difference between PF and C) AND sitting here telling me that the guy you got as GOAT PF wasn't even a big man the first few years of his career
. He stepped into the league as a great defender bu...bu...but it took him 5 years to make an all defensive team 15 all defense selection in 19 years vs. 12 in 22. Duncan got almost twice as many seasons in the top 10 in defensive rating (17 to 9) in 2 fewer seasons. Stop...just stop 
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In the 2003 playoffs, Duncan led his team in points, rebounds, assists, and blocks for the entire playoffs. They won the championship.