KG (in response to Ant Man)- "If im being honest, I don't think anyone in this generation could've played 20 years ago"

[Deafheaven]

Steph is the best shooter of all time and he’d be just a “respected solid player”

Nick van exel??????!?!!





U plop prime Steph into the 90s he changes the direction of the whole league overnight.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

if Karl Marlone in his prime played today he would be putting up the same numbers in the same offense Joker plays in, Chris Webber played in a similar style offense and he did the SAME thing as Joker. Joker gets his assist because the current game allows for shooters to shot more 3 pointers, those options were not the case in the 90s because most Bigs lived on the block. The big men in the 90s 6'10, 7ft cats did the same thing as Joker, put the ball into the basket and rebound.

These bigs with the exception of maybe a Webber played below the FT line on the block and got theirs. Big Men in the 90s were doing just the same as what Joker is doing now, nothing is impressive about what Joker is doing.

Out of all the wild shyt you've posted in this thread, this just might have eclipsed it all.

Malone wasn't even remotely comparable to Jokic, so how would he possibly have the same numbers/impact as him?

Jokic is the most versatile/talented scorer that's played at the 5, and can literally score in any type of situation, shoot any type of shot, against any type of defender, all over the floor. Whereas Malone was severely limited because his bag was shallow; he wasn't a 1v1 scorer, he relied far too much on face-up possessions, he didn't have an aggressive scoring mentality, and he didn't always have his finger on the pulse of the game (which led him to fading in and out of games far too often).

He benefited greatly from easy scoring opportunities, which were in abundance during the regular season, but when they dried up in the playoffs, his efficiency and effectiveneness more often that not came to a dead end.



Malone couldn't even dream of doing 1/10000000th of this shyt.

On one possession Jokic will come down and hit a one-legged fadeaway 20ft+ out without even looking at the rim, and the next possession he'll come down and torture you down low with multiple counters getting his defender to bite on every one, with a release on a hook that barely touches the net.

There's levels to this shyt and Malone isn't even in sight of where Jokic is.

And this is before we even address his playmaking -


You're out of your cotdamn mind if you think this was normal play in the 90s, as if every other big man was doing this shyt, let alone have the nerve to suggest Malone could've done the same. And as much of a spectacle as his passing is, it's not even the best thing about his playmaking. It's his game management, court mapping and ability to create generate offense for his teammates, which he is without a peer, not just among big men, but everyone.

He's the best to ever do it in that sense.

The '23 WCF and '24 1st round vs. Lakers, is the first time I've seen Bron beaten at his own game, so comprehensively, that no matter what he tried to do, Jokic would always answer with an even better run.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

KD - he would be like early 00s Dirk but a little more athletic yet not as strong. All Star caliber. 20+ ppg. Shooters shoot and he's 6'11".

This is a disservice to KD.

Kiki Vandeweghe averaged 30 ppg at his peak, and KD is basically the final form of him, and yet you've got him being a standard 20+ ppg scorer? For as good as Kiki was during his time, he had average athleticism, a rudimentary handle and scored the majority of his points purely because he could shoot over smaller defenders on the perimeter (who barely defended him), or on the rare occassion drive past stiff big men.

And then you compare that to this -


Honestly, the only thing stopping KD from being so dominant that nobody during that time would touch him is his own passiveness. Other than that, he'd turn the whole damn league into Raymonds, where they'd have to resort to getting a piece out the whip and taking him out, by any means necessary.

Steph - he would have the biggest adjustment because there were soooo many guards that could get buckets and Steph would be more exposed on defense with the old rules. If he's playing for Don Nelson...like those early 00s Mavs teams, he'd be some kind of Nash/Van Exel type breh. Respected, solid player but he ain't leading anyone to 4 rings.

Steph would be Van Exel status, but a smaller, weaker, considerably less talented version of himself, in nearly every aspect, in Mark Price, was a 4x All-Star and All-NBA 1st team player during the 90s.

Jokic/Giannis/Embiid etc - still good players but they'd have fewer nights off to coast. Flip side is the game was better suited for bigs.

Fewer nights to coast in the expansion era?



Still after all these years, folks downplaying how good Jokic is, will never not be crazy to me.

Ewing was a star all throughout the 90s, but Jokic would just be a "good player" now? And made no mistake about it, Ewing was a damn good player, but he had an extensive amount of defects that not many folks talk about because he benefitted from the whole romanticism of that time. All the things that he struggled at (passing, anti-clutch, being a black hole and settling for too many jumpshots) are pretty much all aspects of the game where Jokic is in the top 1% in NBA history.

Only real thing stopping Embiid from becoming Hakeem would be his health.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Out of all the wild shyt you've posted in this thread, this just might have eclipsed it all.

Malone wasn't even remotely comparable to Jokic, so how would he possibly have the same numbers/impact as him?

Jokic is the most versatile/talented scorer that's played at the 5, and can literally score in any type of situation, shoot any type of shot, against any type of defender, all over the floor. Whereas Malone was severely limited because his bag was shallow; he wasn't a 1v1 scorer, he relied far too much on face-up possessions, he didn't have an aggressive scoring mentality, and he didn't always have his finger on the pulse of the game (which led him to fading in and out of games far too often).

He benefited greatly from easy scoring opportunities, which were in abundance during the regular season, but when they dried up in the playoffs, his efficiency and effectiveneness more often that not came to a dead end.



Malone couldn't even dream of doing 1/10000000th of this shyt.

On one possession Jokic will come down and hit a one-legged fadeaway 20ft+ out without even looking at the rim, and the next possession he'll come down and torture you down low with multiple counters getting his defender to bite on every one, with a release on a hook that barely touches the net.

There's levels to this shyt and Malone isn't even in sight of where Jokic is.

And this is before we even address his playmaking -


You're out of your cotdamn mind if you think this was normal play in the 90s, as if every other big man was doing this shyt, let alone have the nerve to suggest Malone could've done the same. And as much of a spectacle as his passing is, it's not even the best thing about his playmaking. It's his game management, court mapping and ability to create generate offense for his teammates, which he is without a peer, not just among big men, but everyone.

He's the best to ever do it in that sense.

The '23 WCF and '24 1st round vs. Lakers, is the first time I've seen Bron beaten at his own game, so comprehensively, that no matter what he tried to do, Jokic would always answer with an even better run.

Breh, you are doing it again, do you see how you're moving like a woman, I just told your goofy ass to stop doing that. You fuss like a female. You just posted highlights of Joker playing in this soft ass league to prove what, he can put up numbers against these no playing ass defenders??
Then you shytted on Karl Malone who is named Malone as the 16th greatest player in NBA history. Didn't this man make the All Time 75 NBA players??
If one didn't watch basketball and go off the shyt you have been saying, they would think Karl Malone was a scrub. Breh just stop.

All of what you said about Karl Malone is your opinion. Malone Faced up, Joker faces up, Malone can hit shot from the 16 to elbow range, Malone has a middy, Joker can do the same, Malone can rebound, Joker Rebounds, Malone can pass from the post and mid-range, Joker can pass from the post/mid range area, Joker takes about 1 or 2, 3 pointers a game, Malone didn't take many 3 pointers because their offense and offenses back in the 90s didn't have sets drawn for Big Men to take 3 pointers.

So, Karl Malone didn't have counters?? Only Joker has counter moves? David Robinson didn't have counters? Hakeem? Breh go wash your face.

You being too much of a groupie and you listen to these white reporters who hype these players, Big Men in the 90s and other eras before the 90s been doing the same shyt Joker's been doing. nikkas in the 90s and 80s at the playgrounds around the US being doing the shyt that Joker does, Who do you think Joker got his moves from, those big men from where he's from?? He made up all of those counter moves and the shyt that has you pissing in your pants by himself?? Breh, just stop.

Breh, if you went outside and played basketball in the 90s, 80s, you would see the same shyt that Joker is doing at your local park. I get it though, you just started watching basketball in 2005. You use talking points from others, you really haven't been on this 90s shyt like that. I get it. You post and talk as if you never played ball on a real team before also.

High School Centers in the 90s and 80s had moves nikka, the fukk is you talking about.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

KD, Tatum, Brown, 88% of these current players if they were drafted in the 90s, wouldn't make it to their PEAK if they played by the rules in the 90s.

They won't be doing shyt in that league.

It was a different game.

Curry is not playing 15 seasons putting up these types of numbers if he played in the 90s

MJ only played 15 seasons, and he sat out 2 seasons, and he started declining in his last run with the Wizards.

KD is not playing all of these seasons if they came into the league in the 90s

The game was brutal, to play ALL 82 games in a league tough as such.

nikkas that played in the 90s are not playing 15-16 seasons and putting up high numbers, their bodies couldn't do it.

82 games in that league takes a toll on the body and Mental

 

[SchoolboyC]

Man, the 90s and 00s are gone and never coming back. You will never see those players play at a high level again, you will never see the players of today put on a time machine to go back to that time period, they have zero relevance today.

It’s time for the basketball world to move on. Y’all are robbing yourselves of being able to enjoy the great players of today because you can let go of the great players of the past

That’s just my two cents

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

Never understood this dusty old head take. If you throw them into a different era they’re better than most because the game has evolved, if you say for the thought experiment that they don’t get to bring their knowledge with them then they’re still the same level of professional they are today. Pros are pros for a reason.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You just posted highlights of Joker playing in this soft ass league to prove what, he can put up numbers against these no playing ass defenders??

Just because you romanticize a period from your childhood, where you looked up to these players during the 90s because you were a young'n and they were grown ass men, doesn't make them any tougher or anymore more grown than players of today. That is entirely all in your head. You're acting as if the 90s were some medievil era where players had a sword in one hand and a shield in the other.

If that were the case, then how did cats like Michael Adams (5'10" and 150lbs soaking wet), Terrell Brandon, Mark Price etc all manage to be successful during the 90s? How did Reggie Miller's string bean ass manage to survive the 90s and be one of the best 2s?

Then you shytted on Karl Malone who is named Malone as the 16th greatest player in NBA history. Didn't this man make the All Time 75 NBA players??
If one didn't watch basketball and go off the shyt you have been saying, they would think Karl Malone was a scrub. Breh just stop.

If you don't know how to contextulize shyt like this, why even bring it up?

When it's all said and done, Jokic will not only make that All-time top-75 list, but he'll likely be ranked ahead of Malone, then what are you going to hang your flimsy ass argument on?

All of what you said about Karl Malone is your opinion. Malone Faced up, Joker faces up, Malone can hit shot from the 16 to elbow range, Malone has a middy, Joker can do the same, Malone can rebound, Joker Rebounds, Malone can pass from the post and mid-range, Joker can pass from the post/mid range area, Joker takes about 1 or 2, 3 pointers a game, Malone didn't take many 3 pointers because their offense and offenses back in the 90s didn't have sets drawn for Big Men to take 3 pointers.

This is such a damn reductive ass way of comparing two players.

You can use this same logic for comparing MJ and Vince Carter, but nobody in the right mind would simplify it to: Vince has a middy, MJ has a middy; Vince can get rebounds, MJ can get rebounds; Vince can pass from the mid-ragne area, MJ can pass from the mid-range area.

I guess that must mean Vince can do the same shyt MJ can, right? Just drop him back in the early 90s and he's winning 6 titles with the Bulls, right?

Jokic and Malone are polar opposites of one another. They play the game in completely different ways and they're worlds apart in how dominant and effective they are. Nobody that is being honest and has seen both of them play would even suggest they're the same player. Jokic literally runs the offense for his team, whereas Stockon ran the offense in Utah, yet you're trying to tell me that Malone could do all that despite never showing that ability during the 19 seasons he played in the league? Malone struggled to create his own shot, yet you're telling me he could not only create his own shot like Jokic, but create offense for everyone else on the team too?

So, Karl Malone didn't have counters??

He did not. He had a basic game. He rarely ever got down in the low post and builled his way to the rim, or used counters in the paint. It's one of the main reasons why he was inefficient for a big man during the playoffs, because he had a habit of playing away from the rim rather than at it.

As much as he acted like a tough guy on defense with cheap ass fouls, he was a p*ssy on offense.

David Robinson didn't have counters?

DRob was another face-up big, who rarely got down low and used counters. But that's irrelevant given DRob isn't the topic of discussion here.

You being too much of a groupie and you listen to these white reporters who hype these players,

Nah, nxgga, I use my eyes and see reality. You go off figments of your imagination because you don't know what you're watching.

Who do you think Joker got his moves from, those big men from where he's from?? He made up all of those counter moves and the shyt that has you pissing in your pants by himself?? Breh, just stop.

He sure as hell didn't get any moves from Malone, I know that much.



His patented move "Sombor Shuffle" is actually something he created himself, developing it after he injured his ankle and couldn't jump with both legs because of the pain, so he distributed all his weight through his healthier leg. And then it stuck. He grew up in Serbia and didn't watch many games (given locality and time zone differences), so a lot of the moves he developed and his passing is simply from read-and-reacting, and compensating through having net-zero athleticism.

A lot of his makeup is due to the fact that playing as a youth in his country, everyone was forced to learn and play all positions, no matter their height/size, so it was less about learning moves from whoever the fukk you think he got them from, and more so about utilizing his natural creativity in different positions, thus birthing the type of player he is.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

KD, Tatum, Brown, 88% of these current players if they were drafted in the 90s, wouldn't make it to their PEAK if they played by the rules in the 90s.

KD is not playing all of these seasons if they came into the league in the 90s

The game was brutal, to play ALL 82 games in a league tough as such.

nikkas that played in the 90s are not playing 15-16 seasons and putting up high numbers, their bodies couldn't do it.

82 games in that league takes a toll on the body and Mental

What ever gave you the idea that almost the entirety of the league couldn't last in the 90s? Did the entire world just suddenly take a step back in evolution over the last 20 years? How did the likes of Kiki Vandeweghe manage to hit his peak being a 30 ppg scorer during that era, yet a considerably more athletic and fluid KD couldn't reach that level? How did string beans like Alex English manage to have long, extensive All-Star careers, and yet KD wouldn't?

How was the game so brutal that they added six new teams during that period, and thus diluted the amount of talent, which had a flow-on effect on the difficulty of games?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Here's an article from the 90s @NO-BadAzz -

NBA ROSTERS DILUTED THANKS TO EXPANSION

There are no great NBA teams this season. There are some pretty good teams - Chicago, Orlando, Houston spring to mind - but no great ones.

www.deseret.com

There are no great NBA teams this season.

There are some pretty good teams - Chicago, Orlando, Houston spring to mind - but no great ones.The reason? Expansion.

This is not an isolated viewpoint. All around the league, people are saying that the NBA, in its rush to take advantage of an expanding fan base, has diluted its product.

The prime evidence is in Chicago. The Bulls are on their way to a 70-plus win season, causing some people to call them a great team.

Bulls forward Dennis Rodman, for one, won't be impressed if Chicago smashes the NBA record of 69 wins in a season, set by a great Laker team of the early '70s.

"This league is so filtered and watered down, we can beat anybody with our eyes closed, pretty much," Rodman said.

Charles Barkley and Larry Bird have expressed comparable sentiments about the way the league has thinned out; Bird even used the Jazz as an example, and people in the Jazz camp have a hard time disagreeing.

"You look at the overall picture, it is diluted to some extent," said Jazz coach Jerry Sloan, whose team is in Los Angeles preparing to meet the Lakers on Friday night. "You can get by with three great players on a team, and have a chance to win it all. Before, you had to have four or five great players, and some good players around them."

"The talent level now nowhere compares to what it was eight years ago, and obviously it's because of expansion," said Jazz broadcaster Ron Boone.

What Boone worries about is talk of even more expansion. He says the NBA is already a league of guys who can run and jump but don't know how to play the game.

"What I'm concerned about is the lack of good shooters," he said. "Guys are more athletic now, but they're not fundamentally sound. How much more expansion can they do?

This the Big, Bad, Brutal 90s you're talking about @NO-BadAzz?



You have players, coaches and broadcasters all shytting on the product, but according to you, all-time great players like Steph, Luka, Jokic, KD etc couldn't play back then. Rodman was out there talking about how the league was so watered down the Bulls could beat teams with their eyes closed, but you're out here telling us that today's stars wouldn't survive back then.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

"Guys are more athletic now [during the 90s], but they're not fundamentally sound. How much more expansion can they do?

Does this quote sound familiar to anyone?

 

[WesCrook]

Present players and ex-players need to stop confusing the actually players with the rules of the game.

When saying, “such and such couldn’t have played back then”, they need to clarify that they played different back then and today’s rules and style of play wouldn’t fly. But to say they wouldn’t be able to play back then is just dumb.

They wouldn’t be able to play the STYLE of today back then because the rules and infractions were different. Players would’ve just played ball the way the league deemed. Such dumb comparisons.

People really want to believe that Steph would be getting pushed around to submission by Derek Harper and Mason.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Just because you romanticize a period from your childhood, where you looked up to these players during the 90s because you were a young'n and they were grown ass men, doesn't make them any tougher or anymore more grown than players of today. That is entirely all in your head. You're acting as if the 90s were some medievil era where players had a sword in one hand and a shield in the other.

If that were the case, then how did cats like Michael Adams (5'10" and 150lbs soaking wet), Terrell Brandon, Mark Price etc all manage to be successful during the 90s? How did Reggie Miller's string bean ass manage to survive the 90s and be one of the best 2s?

If you don't know how to contextulize shyt like this, why even bring it up?

When it's all said and done, Jokic will not only make that All-time top-75 list, but he'll likely be ranked ahead of Malone, then what are you going to hang your flimsy ass argument on?

This is such a damn reductive ass way of comparing two players.

You can use this same logic for comparing MJ and Vince Carter, but nobody in the right mind would simplify it to: Vince has a middy, MJ has a middy; Vince can get rebounds, MJ can get rebounds; Vince can pass from the mid-ragne area, MJ can pass from the mid-range area.

I guess that must mean Vince can do the same shyt MJ can, right? Just drop him back in the early 90s and he's winning 6 titles with the Bulls, right?

Jokic and Malone are polar opposites of one another. They play the game in completely different ways and they're worlds apart in how dominant and effective they are. Nobody that is being honest and has seen both of them play would even suggest they're the same player. Jokic literally runs the offense for his team, whereas Stockon ran the offense in Utah, yet you're trying to tell me that Malone could do all that despite never showing that ability during the 19 seasons he played in the league? Malone struggled to create his own shot, yet you're telling me he could not only create his own shot like Jokic, but create offense for everyone else on the team too?

He did not. He had a basic game. He rarely ever got down in the low post and builled his way to the rim, or used counters in the paint. It's one of the main reasons why he was inefficient for a big man during the playoffs, because he had a habit of playing away from the rim rather than at it.

As much as he acted like a tough guy on defense with cheap ass fouls, he was a p*ssy on offense.

DRob was another face-up big, who rarely got down low and used counters. But that's irrelevant given DRob isn't the topic of discussion here.

Nah, nxgga, I use my eyes and see reality. You go off figments of your imagination because you don't know what you're watching.

He sure as hell didn't get any moves from Malone, I know that much.



His patented move "Sombor Shuffle" is actually something he created himself, developing it after he injured his ankle and couldn't jump with both legs because of the pain, so he distributed all his weight through his healthier leg. And then it stuck. He grew up in Serbia and didn't watch many games (given locality and time zone differences), so a lot of the moves he developed and his passing is simply from read-and-reacting, and compensating through having net-zero athleticism.

A lot of his makeup is due to the fact that playing as a youth in his country, everyone was forced to learn and play all positions, no matter their height/size, so it was less about learning moves from whoever the fukk you think he got them from, and more so about utilizing his natural creativity in different positions, thus birthing the type of player he is.

Karl Malone in Game 6 of the NBA finals got stripped by Jordan, because he was facing the basket huh. Breh shut up. Karl played on the block with his back towards the basket just like every other big man in the 90s era. Patrick Ewing faced up and he played with his back towards the basket just like most if not all of the big men in the 90s. I can go on. Tim Duncan did the same, faced up and he would do drop steps and over the right or left shoulder shots.


Look at the USA semi game when they played a team that got physical with, only 3 people and Bron struggled with his shot and in the post when he tried that bully ball shyt, that shyt was ugly. HE won't be doing that shyt for 82 games for X amount of seasons. KD will not get to be a 30 point player because he is NOT tough.

You wanna tell us that a 17, 18-year-old Luka will dribble the air outta the basketball in 93 and average 15 to 20 points in that league? when nobody was doing that in 1993

You wanna tell us that a Jordan, Dominque Wilkin in 1993 isn't quick enough, and strong enough to stop a 17 year old luka in 1993? You want us to believe this? With the rules in place, you trying to tell us, that a 17 year old luka and a 18 year old Curry is putting up 18 a game in 1993?

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Here's an article from the 90s @NO-BadAzz -

NBA ROSTERS DILUTED THANKS TO EXPANSION

There are no great NBA teams this season. There are some pretty good teams - Chicago, Orlando, Houston spring to mind - but no great ones.

www.deseret.com

There are no great NBA teams this season.

There are some pretty good teams - Chicago, Orlando, Houston spring to mind - but no great ones.The reason? Expansion.

This is not an isolated viewpoint. All around the league, people are saying that the NBA, in its rush to take advantage of an expanding fan base, has diluted its product.

The prime evidence is in Chicago. The Bulls are on their way to a 70-plus win season, causing some people to call them a great team.

Bulls forward Dennis Rodman, for one, won't be impressed if Chicago smashes the NBA record of 69 wins in a season, set by a great Laker team of the early '70s.

"This league is so filtered and watered down, we can beat anybody with our eyes closed, pretty much," Rodman said.

Charles Barkley and Larry Bird have expressed comparable sentiments about the way the league has thinned out; Bird even used the Jazz as an example, and people in the Jazz camp have a hard time disagreeing.

"You look at the overall picture, it is diluted to some extent," said Jazz coach Jerry Sloan, whose team is in Los Angeles preparing to meet the Lakers on Friday night. "You can get by with three great players on a team, and have a chance to win it all. Before, you had to have four or five great players, and some good players around them."

"The talent level now nowhere compares to what it was eight years ago, and obviously it's because of expansion," said Jazz broadcaster Ron Boone.

What Boone worries about is talk of even more expansion. He says the NBA is already a league of guys who can run and jump but don't know how to play the game.

"What I'm concerned about is the lack of good shooters," he said. "Guys are more athletic now, but they're not fundamentally sound. How much more expansion can they do?

This the Big, Bad, Brutal 90s you're talking about @NO-BadAzz?



You have players, coaches and broadcasters all shytting on the product, but according to you, all-time great players like Steph, Luka, Jokic, KD etc couldn't play back then. Rodman was out there talking about how the league was so watered down the Bulls could beat teams with their eyes closed, but you're out here telling us that today's stars wouldn't survive back then.

So a 17-year-old Luka is lighting shyt up against the1993 New York Team? Luka in 1993, with the rules of that Era, that NY team is letting Luka do all of those things.
Let's do this:

How many 17–20-year-olds that were in the NBA in 1993 scored over 20 points against that New York 1993 team??

Since the league was so watered down, post these youngstas killing shyt.


Name All them

 

[fifth column]

Man, the 90s and 00s are gone and never coming back. You will never see those players play at a high level again, you will never see the players of today put on a time machine to go back to that time period, they have zero relevance today.

It’s time for the basketball world to move on. Y’all are robbing yourselves of being able to enjoy the great players of today because you can let go of the great players of the past

That’s just my two cents

You sound like a tik toker and not a fan of basketball. Real basketball fans appreciate every aspect from back then through current date. I hope y’all find a new thing soon