Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread

[Ahadi]

This is the thing, people keep throwing around High Value and don't know what it is.

HV has nothing to do with Family units or anything. HV is a specific socioeconomic/class grouping. You have dudes who drive trucks calling themselves High Value because they make 100k, lol no.

This is why Kevin puts emphasis on the Network aspect that people seem to ignore. High Value that Kevin talks about in the context of Black People is the Boule/Black Elite. Kevin has been speaking in Code and because the average black person has never been in these circles they think Kevin is talking to them. This is why Kevin also has the HENRY and AARON classifications.

I can see Kevin getting more and more annoyed as people throw around the High Value term. You have women calling in talking about they High Value and working on associates degrees in their late 20s, thats not High Value lol.

High Value grooming is
1.Going to the Right University
2.Going to the Right Church
3.Joining the Right Black Greek Organization
4.Joining the right social clubs
5a.High Income (for Men)
5b.Being in shape (for Women)

These things put you in specific networks that allow you to do things that the "lone wolf" or smart person cant do because they are not connected. This is when your Wife can help you land a business deal because her Sorority sisters husband is a big dog at some Real Estate company.

Keisha Bottom Lance is a great example. Her Husband is an Exec for Home Depot, they both went to the right schools, right greek organization, and his connects helped her get plugged in politically and her political pull helps him economically.

Right now people are talking this High Value stuff and are literally clueless about this world because they are not cut from that cloth thus you have a bunch of people speaking out their ass on youtube about a world they aren't even invited into.

1000%

I know what it is. I just used poor wording.

But the line for Lucia & similar to what Hottie was saying was the multi-generational HV + being in the right environment to fully excel and network.

 

[Apollo Creed]

1000%

I know what it is. I just used poor wording.

But the line for Lucia & similar to what Hottie was saying was the multi-generational HV + being in the right environment to fully excel and network.

you'll notice Lucia said she was groomed for it but more so saying she wanted to go a different path and be a MD. And this is what people dont understand, they thing you can be 1000% career focused PLUS marry a "High Value" man not realizing being a high value mans wife is literally your career.

There is a reason the wives of high value men are all in things like Philanthropy and Non Profit work because these are avenues that are not labor intensive and builds the overall family brand which helps the man and the woman. This is why the wives of high value men get into writing books and stuff like that. It's usually once the High Value man gets towards the phase of retirement that the woman will if she wants ramp it up and get into politics. She already has the resume of doing work in the community, being smart, well spoken, relatable because she raised children and kept her husband happy, etc. Like alot of folks tryna play checkers when this is chess.

Wondering why they cant be a single mom and get with a HV man, not realizing that anything that child's father does will now impact the High Value Mans brand.

"Breaking news the Baby Daddy of the Wife of High Value man is arrested for robbery" or something like that. When you enter a marriage with a high value man image is everything and all relationships matter, because if your friend or family does something the headline will always mention the High Value Man who didnt even have anything to do with it, which hurts his brand which ultimately hurts the wife.

Notice till this day people find random members of Martin Luther Kings family and puts camera in front of them as if it is representation of MLK

 

[HarlemHottie]

And my point is you dismissed the facts with the "you african" line. I literally provided the information and you had no response thus you try to dismiss the point.

Like I said in my last post, in reality I'm not going to knock you from being in here since this is the TLR, but the fact of the matter is these convos should only be in male only spaces because majority of the women use the "men should be leading" as an excuse to shift blame from their role. Like I said you cannot blame crack on the current state of things, when the seeds were planted before Crack and the indoctrination of this mentality happened in Liberal Arts universities in the 70s & 80s. Like I said Crack was just throwing more gas on the flame. Women won't have the honest discussion amongst themselves nor take the stand to say "ok we need to save our next generation of women", instead they cheering on girls younger than them like Meg The Stallion to continue down a life of destruction and join them in the point of no return.

A. I asked if you were african bc, 1, iirc that's under your name, but I'm on my phone so I can't see it. I literally said "no disrespect." I'm a ny'er, when we say it, we mean it. And, 2, it would explain the context of your question. Even if you were here, you were likely a kid in your parents house, far away from it.

B. You're talking about entirely different groups of women. My mother was 30 in 1982. There weren't masses of bw in college then like there are now and, without SM, new ideas traveled slow. Feminism percolated in the colleges for several decades, say the 70s-90s, before bw started quoting the dumb shyt. The Alice Walkers and Angela Davises (and lessor known college educated bw) were few and far between unless you were already in those spaces.

So, no, you're wrong. Oprah brought feminism to non college educated bw (which is why I'm on board with oprah hate). Again, I was there.

C. Women can't have the discussion amongst themselves. I know, I've tried. It requires a man, preferably a desirable one, to cosign. I literally just got off text with a friend like, "I really didn't know men wanted when who were slim, feminine, and cooperative. " Same friend said Kevin Samuels and Jason black were too harsh. How do I fix that??? I can't. It requires men with rings, a carrot, if you will. I have none.

Please remind me what information you provided. This is annoying on my phone.

 

[Neuromancer]

@HarlemHottie and @Lumumba
Can we agree that both black men and women have individual and collective work to do? The way I see it my mom was one of the college educated bw in the 80's. She had some feminist tendencies but that didn't turn out well for her becsuse she had three sons who don't care for that ideology. I see it like this, the 4th wave feminism is new to bw, so those that have gripes will wield it and make it seem like it's more than a tool to influence their thoughts. I think we need to try and discover the root as to why they latched on to this. Sure they may have some bad experiences with men but I don't think that encompasses the whole reasoning behind it. As for black men. We already know what we need to do people been telling us we ain't shyt for long enough.

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

you'll notice Lucia said she was groomed for it but more so saying she wanted to go a different path and be a MD. And this is what people dont understand, they thing you can be 1000% career focused PLUS marry a "High Value" man not realizing being a high value mans wife is literally your career.

There is a reason the wives of high value men are all in things like Philanthropy and Non Profit work because these are avenues that are not labor intensive and builds the overall family brand which helps the man and the woman. This is why the wives of high value men get into writing books and stuff like that. It's usually once the High Value man gets towards the phase of retirement that the woman will if she wants ramp it up and get into politics. She already has the resume of doing work in the community, being smart, well spoken, relatable because she raised children and kept her husband happy, etc. Like alot of folks tryna play checkers when this is chess.

Wondering why they cant be a single mom and get with a HV man, not realizing that anything that child's father does will now impact the High Value Mans brand.

"Breaking news the Baby Daddy of the Wife of High Value man is arrested for robbery" or something like that. When you enter a marriage with a high value man image is everything and all relationships matter, because if your friend or family does something the headline will always mention the High Value Man who didnt even have anything to do with it, which hurts his brand which ultimately hurts the wife.

Notice till this day people find random members of Martin Luther Kings family and puts camera in front of them as if it is representation of MLK

This. Black folks really struggle with defining class because we tie it to race, as oppose to it being its own separate thing. We have the mentality that black is an equalizer, to some degree it is but it's too shallow to put Michelle Obama and Meg The Stallion in the same box, that's why so many single mothers are confused and people really don't know their lane. People calling into Kev's show are seriously lost where they stand, he laid it out perfect when he said who you have a baby with is what you qualify for.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Can we agree that both black men and women have individual and collective work to do?

I definitely agree, and I'm not the hostile one here. I dapped most of his posts bc I agree with him 90%.

I'm pushing back bc, idk, it's like he's tryna super impose white manosphere timelines onto bw. I'm pushing back for the sake of accuracy. We can all agree on the current problem.

 

[Neuromancer]

I definitely agree, and I'm not the hostile one here. I dapped most of his posts bc I agree with him 90%.

I'm pushing back bc, idk, it's like he's tryna super impose white manosphere timelines onto bw. I'm pushing back for the sake of accuracy. We can all agree on the current problem.

I feel you. You weren't the attacker.

 

[Apollo Creed]

This. Black folks really struggle with defining class because we tie it to race, as oppose to it being its own separate thing. We have the mentality that black is an equalizer, to some degree it is but it's too shallow to put Michelle Obama and Meg The Stallion in the same box, that's why so many single mothers are confused and people really don't know their lane. People calling into Kev's show are seriously lost where they stand, he laid it out perfect when he said who you have a baby with is what you qualify for.

this is the thing. Black people as a whole globally are community focus. We see that if one of us made it = we all made it. This is an issue and time and time again the people deemed in 'elite' classes use it against us. Their enjoying summers in Marthas Vineyard while we are figuring out how we gonna pay the bills and the AC just went out. But come election time they come among us on some "vote for me brother". Or even in the black church, you have low in come people breaking their back trying to impress the so called elites in the same church who will never accept them, but won't say it in their face.

With the baby daddy thing, Kevin said it best, why would a High Value man want you as a wife if you laid up with a man lower than him for free? It's one thing being Denzel Washingtons Ex Wife and you marry Sam Jackson. When you look at the Ciara thing people were triggered because Future is beneath Russ from a value perspective, and Ciara appears to have "came up", and of course regular woman see that and use it against men on some "SEE YALL NEED TO STEP UP, A REAL MAN DONT CARE IF A WOMAN GOT KIDS BEFORE HIM". If Ciara was married to someone higher value than future and had a kid and divorced I dont think anyone would care, but she was literally just having slum sex with Future and got knocked up. For example if Beyonce and Jay Z get divorced, and Beyonce gets with Jamie Foxx, i dont think people will trip because Jamie from what I understand isn't running around knocking up IG thots, and Beyonce's children came from a Marriage.

 

[HarlemHottie]

I feel you. You weren't the attacker.

Thank you. I'm like, he asked a question, I answered, what's the problem?

Should I not be in this thread? Usually when it comes to manosphere stuff, I let y'all cook. I'm only here bc Kevin sets a woman-friendly tone and says explicitly, if you don't like women being here, this ain't for you.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

I definitely agree, and I'm not the hostile one here. I dapped most of his posts bc I agree with him 90%.

I'm pushing back bc, idk, it's like he's tryna super impose white manosphere timelines onto bw. I'm pushing back for the sake of accuracy. We can all agree on the current problem.

Nope you tried to dismiss his his highly intellectual argument simply because he is African and got called out for it. Now you're back peddling.

Take your tariq style logic out of here.

 

[Apollo Creed]

A. I asked if you were african bc, 1, iirc that's under your name, but I'm on my phone so I can't see it. I literally said "no disrespect." I'm a ny'er, when we say it, we mean it. And, 2, it would explain the context of your question. Even if you were here, you were likely a kid in your parents house, far away from it.

B. You're talking about entirely different groups of women. My mother was 30 in 1982. There weren't masses of bw in college then like there are now and, without SM, new ideas traveled slow. Feminism percolated in the colleges for several decades, say the 70s-90s, before bw started quoting the dumb shyt. The Alice Walkers and Angela Davises (and lessor known college educated bw) were few and far between unless you were already in those spaces.

So, no, you're wrong. Oprah brought feminism to non college educated bw (which is why I'm on board with oprah hate). Again, I was there.

C. Women can't have the discussion amongst themselves. I know, I've tried. It requires a man, preferably a desirable one, to cosign. I literally just got off text with a friend like, "I really didn't know men wanted when who were slim, feminine, and cooperative. " Same friend said Kevin Samuels and Jason black were too harsh. How do I fix that??? I can't. It requires men with rings, a carrot, if you will. I have none.

Please remind me what information you provided. This is annoying on my phone.

A. Once again the 70s-80s produced the "Career" driven "Independent" woman of the 90s. Those are literally the years they would have been in college and working their way up the ladder to come into the late 80s-early 90s being "successful". The 70s is when Universities became more readily accessible to the everyday black person, with each decade after the number increasing more and more.

B.IF your mother was 30 in 82, that puts her at 68. She isn't someone that would be in the dating field, but her generation ushered the start of what we see today. Gen X is the peak of who cultivated the women in the market now, but Late Baby Boomers can end up being on either side of the coin when it comes to being traditional vs nontraditional. The Children of Gen X are typically the ones raised by on some "my child will be my best friend" stuff + didnt get raised in the church/barely went to church. Many of these folks were products of Freanik One night stands.

C. You tried, but thats just a sign you talking to people who can't be saved. Women cant make a man do anything, and a Man can change a woman who is already set in her ways. IMO People need to accept that many of these women need to actually die alone and not procreate because they will only further damage future gen, the same way Women need to actually understand that being a slut is not empowering, and if anything the power is in only giving yourself to actual men. It's like saying the ability to walk is a super power when everyone has it. We need to let people be the adults they think they are and let them deal with the outputs of their choices vs trying to save people, especially when there are women who did everything right. The emphasis like I mentioned earlier is getting the next generations ready.

 

[Neuromancer]

IMO People need to accept that many of these women need to actually die alone and not procreate because they will only further damage future gen,

I was originally going to suggest this.

 

[Barnett114]

Lets get the thread on track and leave the ethnic shyt out.

 

[HarlemHottie]

A. Once again the 70s-80s produced the "Career" driven "Independent" woman of the 90s. Those are literally the years they would have been in college and working their way up the ladder to come into the late 80s-early 90s being "successful". The 70s is when Universities became more readily accessible to the everyday black person, with each decade after the number increasing more and more.

We're disagreeing on details. I, at 12, in 1993, was more up on feminism than any of my mother's friends (and I know bc I was allowed to stay in the room while they talked). I'm telling you what happened on the ground.

In fact, in retrospect, the class of women I was raised around (mostly low) never said "I don't need no man." That must have come from bw with good jobs, lol. I do know several educated bw forced to do it on their own bc their husband got strung out, tho. They didn't tout it at the time, maybe later to their daughters.

I have and will continue to dap you itt bc, as an 'outsider', you do have a useful perspective. I just don't think it's especially helpful at this point to, you know, shyt on ados for where we find ourselves. This is the generation recovering after a war that took out our elders (and left vast portions of our children to be raised by colonizers, ie, social services). Let's be truthful, but also mindful. No need for sensible ppl to argue amongst ourselves, there are much bigger fish to fry.

Cool?

 

[Apollo Creed]

I was originally going to suggest this.

you'll see that these woman who get mad at Kevin aint mad cause he wrong, they mad cause they saying there is no hope for them. Think about all the calls women calling in saying "IM A SINGLE MOM WHAT YOU MAN I AINT HIGH VALUE"

These folks be telling on themselves and cant even see it. Like if you are happy with your life, why are you calling into Kevin's show to prove him wrong? lol. And even then none of these women have secured a husband, they always got the same stories:
1.They "date" high value men all the time.
2.They been engaged numerous times/hand numerous men proposed but turned them down.

Women think being a side chick, or a late night g freak = dating.

Many of these lost women want to make human relations "transactional" but still get the benefits of actual commitment. I'm like you want a man to love you and trick? What? Why not just sell him your body for a flat fee and end the games?

I've never seen 30-40 year old men looking at teens and 20 yr olds as inspiration, but I see a ton of 30-40 year olds looking at Cardi B, City Girls, and Meg as inspiration. This is alarming. There is a reason many of the women who call into Kevin's show are in their 30s-40s but literally sound like children who can't get their thoughts together when presenting their point. Kevin literally asks Yes or No questions, and these folks delve into long winded responses that have nothing to do with the question.

Kevin : What ws your weight at your last weigh in and your height
Caller: Well I college I was depressed and my cat died, and I like listening to RnB, but I didn't like Rap Like that so I was never excited about working out.
Kevin: Ma'am I just asked for your weight
Caller: Well in 1993 I used to run track and was in shape
Kevin:Ma'am
Caller: Ok I`m 5 foot 1, 220 lbs